From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #174 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, June 7 2000 Volume 03 : Number 174 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re[8]: anarcho hello [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re Krautrock+OMD+wallpaper poser. [Alan Gray ] Re: /Wattie/dreams/can [Howard Spencer ] Re: idealcopy-digest V3 #173 ["MackDaddyD" ] Re: OMD's stage performance [Alistair Tear ] RE: /Wattie/dreams/can ["giluz" ] Re: OMD's stage performance ["lucifersam" ] Re: OMD's stage performance [Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk] RE: Re Krautrock+OMD+wallpaper poser. ["giluz" ] Re: Re[8]: anarcho hello ["tube disaster" ] Re: paul effin' young ["tube disaster" ] RE: paul effin' young ["Sampson, James O." ] RE: paul effin' young & LedZep ["Ciscon, Ray" ] RE: paul effin' young ["Ciscon, Ray" ] Re: paul effin' young & LedZep ["lucifersam" ] RE: paul effin' young & LedZep ["Ciscon, Ray" ] Re: paul effin' young & LedZep [Katherine Pouliot ] re: Re: paul effin' young & LedZep [Jack Steinmann ] Re: Re: paul effin' young & LedZep ["lucifersam" ] OT: Exploited ["Syarzhuk Kazachenka" ] Re: your 'E' joke ["lucifersam" ] Re: Re: paul effin' young & LedZep ["lucifersam" ] Re: Exploited ["lucifersam" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 14:48:09 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[8]: anarcho hello . Come to that, should we really take *seriously* 4 guys from New York who made a point of dressing alike & pretending they were brothers with the surname of "Ramone"? Dan >>>>> course we should. great music is always to be taken seriously. by which i meant "respected" i guess , not that it should be listened to with a straight face in a dark room or anything silly like that.p but then i suppose 77-80 was a really great time for uk music whereas outside the big cities i guess in the us it was pretty dire. (not sure where ELO fit into this theory mind...) p > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 14:24:30 +-100 From: Alan Gray Subject: Re Krautrock+OMD+wallpaper poser. A few years ago I remember looking at various krautrock sites and thought I'd do a quick re-visit and perhaps recommend some URLs to the list person after info on krautrock. I found that now these sites have moved or are no longer working,leaving me wondering WHERE IS THE EFFIENCY OF THE KRAUTROCK SITES? HEIN? From the infant www.krautrock.co.uk (on a tangent) I linked to ; http://eden.vmg.co.uk/omd.html OMD fans can find there a fine picture of the singer,I once saw wobbling in Exeter. Despite the fact that He would make an excellent animated gif, they've settled for a very sultry Ferryesque posepic instead. (which would be ideal bedroom wallpaper for that girl someone was on about) I have to include the following quote from this OMDsite; 'We always thought we were making obscure, experimental music. Without realising it , we'd honed it down to the three and a half minute electronic pop song.' However they happened upon their formula, their simple synthesizer-based pop inspired at least two generations of pop music makers, from Yazoo, Erasure, Soft Cell and The Pet Shop Boys through to, a decade later, Sash and Moby. I never found their music as obscure or experimental as their stage performance,and its massive influence on the subsequent years had not really occurred to me. Can anyone suggest any interesting or obscure websites? Alan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 14:51:03 +0100 From: Howard Spencer Subject: Re: /Wattie/dreams/can I remember when Wattie from the Exploited was asked why Big John had been sacked - his reply, `Och, he's too faaaat' (say it in Glasweigan). Big John was once in altered images, I believe. Bruce has done one of the Can remixes on 'Sacrelege' - can't remember which track, but it is very minimal indeed. I've never found can as appealing as Neu, apart from 'You doo right', which is a popsong. Perhaps i should try again. Howard ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 08:57:20 -0500 From: "MackDaddyD" Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V3 #173 Korn and Limp Biscuit mean very little here either, thank you. There was a neat article in the Onion a few months back which likened whiteboymetalrap artists pat boone. Not altogether an unfair observation. > If anything the cultural taste gap is widening. Enormous US bands like Korn > or Limp Biscuit mean very little here, while fewer UK bands seem to get > anywhere in the US these days. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:33:44 -0000 From: Alistair Tear Subject: Re: OMD's stage performance Notre Dame Hall 19th July 1979 First time I saw Wire & I vaguely remember the support act was two young guys, white shirts, black strides playing synths. Sounded quite hard edged in a light industrial sort of way. Could these have been...? A. >I never found their music as obscure or experimental >as their stage performance.... >Alan Gray ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 19:05:37 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: /Wattie/dreams/can > Bruce has done one of the Can remixes on 'Sacrelege' - can't remember > which track, but it is very minimal indeed. Wow - I've had this CD for ages now, and I didn't notice it. It is very good, even though the last time I listened to it it started to sound a bit dated - too much drum&bass sound... >I've never found can as > appealing as Neu, apart from 'You doo right', which is a popsong. > Perhaps i should try again. > You certainly should - Can is one of the freshest sounding bands ever, even today. Yoo Doo Right a pop song? Can you answer which definition of pop song it corresponds to? I mean, I wouldn't call a 20-minutes long improvised live session a pop song. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:52:09 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: OMD's stage performance I think you'll find that was Vice Vesa, who became ABC. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Alistair Tear To: Wire (E-mail) Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 4:33 PM Subject: Re: OMD's stage performance > Notre Dame Hall 19th July 1979 > First time I saw Wire & I vaguely > remember the support act was two young > guys, white shirts, black strides playing > synths. Sounded quite hard edged in a > light industrial sort of way. > Could these have been...? > > A. > > >I never found their music as obscure or experimental > >as their stage performance.... > >Alan Gray ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 17:22:09 +0100 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: Re: OMD's stage performance OMD were on the same bill as Wire when they supported Depeche Mode at the Rosebowl in 1988. Have I mentioned this before? ; ) Oh yeah, Thomas Dolby was on the bill too. Chris. - ---------------------- Forwarded by Chris Ray/Finance/MEDAS on 07/06/2000 17:20 --------------------------- "lucifersam" on 07/06/2000 16:52:09 To: "Alistair Tear" cc: "IdealCopy" (bcc: Chris Ray/Finance/MEDAS) Subject: Re: OMD's stage performance I think you'll find that was Vice Vesa, who became ABC. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Alistair Tear To: Wire (E-mail) Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 4:33 PM Subject: Re: OMD's stage performance > Notre Dame Hall 19th July 1979 > First time I saw Wire & I vaguely > remember the support act was two young > guys, white shirts, black strides playing > synths. Sounded quite hard edged in a > light industrial sort of way. > Could these have been...? > > A. > > >I never found their music as obscure or experimental > >as their stage performance.... > >Alan Gray The Information in this communication is confidential and may be privileged and should be treated by the recipient accordingly. If you are not the intended recipient please notify me immediately. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 19:43:31 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: Re Krautrock+OMD+wallpaper poser. > WHERE IS THE EFFIENCY OF THE KRAUTROCK SITES? HEIN? > Try http://www.saunalahti.fi/~phinnweb/krautrock/ giluz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 10:39:23 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: Re[8]: anarcho hello . Come to that, should we really take *seriously* 4 guys from New York who made a point of dressing alike & pretending they were brothers with the surname of "Ramone"? Dan >>>>> course we should. great music is always to be taken seriously. by which i meant "respected" i guess , not that it should be listened to with a straight face in a dark room or anything silly like that.p< Damn ... you mean I've got to turn the lights on? Actually, I do -- the bulb on the little lamp by this machine went out when I turned it on. Anyway, yeah, "respected" I can live with. Of course, by the same token I (& I suspect I'm far from alone) *respect* quite a bit of music that I personally have little or no use for, which I guess extends all the way back to Led Zeppelin. (Well ... I *guess* I respect those guys. OK, that's a borderline case at best.) Mind you, I'd rather listen to AFOS or OMD at their absolute worst than Led Zep at their absolute best (except for, I suppose, what I've been told is D'Yer Maker, or something like that ... decent song, though it's no So In Love or Wishing I Had a Photography of You.) >>but then i suppose 77-80 was a really great time for uk music whereas outside the big cities i guess in the us it was pretty dire. (not sure where ELO fit into this theory mind...) p<< Based purely on my own experience, you're right on the money. Of course, I grew up in rural SW Arkansas & didn't get out till 8/81, & music in that vicinity remains "pretty dire" to this day & will until the last trump, I'm sure. This country is just too damned big. In those days before MTV (&, in many cases -- like my hometown -- cable TV per se) & public access to the internet, especially, from my perspective NYC or LA, much less the UK, might as well have been on the moon. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 11:43:42 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: paul effin' young OK, a question for you UKers ... Did Paul fucking Young start out as a pseudo-punk or something? A fairly sizable lot of late '70s/early '80s 7"s I got in the mail a couple of weeks ago included a '78 RSO release of him doing Sheena is a Punk Rocker & Pretty Vacant. I haven't had the nerve to put it on the turntable ... as it is, I've been successfully avoiding his version of Love Will Tear Us Apart (if I'm thinking of the right guy) for nearly 2 decades now. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 14:00:09 -0400 From: "Sampson, James O." Subject: RE: paul effin' young Ah - Paul FUCKING Young! There's a great line in the Easton book "Less Than Zero" about Young's soft rock/MUZAK version of LWTUA....The main character is walks into party where the song is playing over the sound system. He is convinced he is much more plastered than his usual as he thinks his brain is playing tricks on him! Also, during my college years working at the local record store, us clerks spent much downtime playing Frisbee with the 12" of the Paul Young version of LWTUA. If I remember correctly, the song was credited on the label to "J. Division" - as if the lovely Ms. Joy Division penned it. Of course it was a record company flub, but my hatred for Mr. Young always made me give him credit for it! Jim - -----Original Message----- From: tube disaster [mailto:dpbailey@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 2:44 PM To: wire mailing list Subject: Re: paul effin' young OK, a question for you UKers ... Did Paul fucking Young start out as a pseudo-punk or something? A fairly sizable lot of late '70s/early '80s 7"s I got in the mail a couple of weeks ago included a '78 RSO release of him doing Sheena is a Punk Rocker & Pretty Vacant. I haven't had the nerve to put it on the turntable ... as it is, I've been successfully avoiding his version of Love Will Tear Us Apart (if I'm thinking of the right guy) for nearly 2 decades now. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 13:27:15 -0500 From: "Ciscon, Ray" Subject: RE: paul effin' young & LedZep Regardless of your intense dislike of Paul Young and his version of Joy Division's 'Love Will Tear Us Apart', I'm here to tell you that it is far less painful to hear than the muzak version of Jimmy Hendrix's 'Purple Haze', which I actually heard in the elevator of my last employer. And lets be honest, Ian Curtis didn't exactly have a golden throat, and the production of that song wasn't very good... the PY version of it at least made it radio friendly here in the US, where it did get a little play. Remember, there's always a chance that some young fool took the effort to find out who 'J. Division' is, and sought out more of Mr. or Ms. Divisions work. I too would rather listen to just about anything by A Flock o' Seagulls or OMD than even the best of Led Zepplin. Back in my High School days, local Chicago rock radio stations had an unwritten rule: Thou Shalt Play A Led Zepplin Song At Least Once An Hour. If I never hear LedZep again, I'd die a happy camper. Heck, I'd rather listen to all of the pompous Art Rock crap of the 70's that has been ripped on this list lately than listen to LedZep. You know what I'd like to hear right now though.... Dread Zepplin! Cheers, Ray Ciscon Remote Office LAN/WAN Support Manager Comark, Inc. In order to provide the best level of support, please contact: The I.S. Support Center at extension 4357 ** Every support call should begin with a call to the I. S. Support Center. ** -----Original Message----- From: Sampson, James O. [mailto:JSampson@iseoptions.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 1:00 PM To: 'tube disaster'; wire mailing list Subject: RE: paul effin' young Ah - Paul FUCKING Young! There's a great line in the Easton book "Less Than Zero" about Young's soft rock/MUZAK version of LWTUA....The main character is walks into party where the song is playing over the sound system. He is convinced he is much more plastered than his usual as he thinks his brain is playing tricks on him! Also, during my college years working at the local record store, us clerks spent much downtime playing Frisbee with the 12" of the Paul Young version of LWTUA. If I remember correctly, the song was credited on the label to "J. Division" - as if the lovely Ms. Joy Division penned it. Of course it was a record company flub, but my hatred for Mr. Young always made me give him credit for it! Jim - -----Original Message----- From: tube disaster [mailto:dpbailey@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 2:44 PM To: wire mailing list Subject: Re: paul effin' young OK, a question for you UKers ... Did Paul fucking Young start out as a pseudo-punk or something? A fairly sizable lot of late '70s/early '80s 7"s I got in the mail a couple of weeks ago included a '78 RSO release of him doing Sheena is a Punk Rocker & Pretty Vacant. I haven't had the nerve to put it on the turntable ... as it is, I've been successfully avoiding his version of Love Will Tear Us Apart (if I'm thinking of the right guy) for nearly 2 decades now. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 13:30:49 -0500 From: "Ciscon, Ray" Subject: RE: paul effin' young Where is Paul Young today? I imagine he might be playing at Tony Orlando's club in Branson, Missouri.... :) And what about those 'Fabulous Weathy Tarts'? Second only to Sarah and Wendy Partridge (of Shriekback fame) in the female backup singer derby of the 80's! Cheers, Ray Ciscon Remote Office LAN/WAN Support Manager Comark, Inc. In order to provide the best level of support, please contact: The I.S. Support Center at extension 4357 ** Every support call should begin with a call to the I. S. Support Center. ** -----Original Message----- From: tube disaster [mailto:dpbailey@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 1:44 PM To: wire mailing list Subject: Re: paul effin' young OK, a question for you UKers ... Did Paul fucking Young start out as a pseudo-punk or something? A fairly sizable lot of late '70s/early '80s 7"s I got in the mail a couple of weeks ago included a '78 RSO release of him doing Sheena is a Punk Rocker & Pretty Vacant. I haven't had the nerve to put it on the turntable ... as it is, I've been successfully avoiding his version of Love Will Tear Us Apart (if I'm thinking of the right guy) for nearly 2 decades now. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:36:16 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: paul effin' young & LedZep I have to beg to differ here young Ray. Have you ever heard such passion as Ian Curtis displayed on "Transmission" of "Love will etc... No vocal chords but soul to die for.Personally I hated Joy Division! But those 2 songs kick me right in the cobblers. As for the production. Who Cares!(with respect). the greatest Rock'n'Roll moments have been recorded in a toilet, leave production to Yes, Pink Floyd or god forbid, Phil 'Let me stab him' Collins. and remember this simple rule. Radio friendlt normally = SHITE!!!! ;-) The Siam Cat (41 tommorow....I hope I die before I...well....Um....) > Regardless of your intense dislike of Paul Young and his version of Joy > Division's 'Love Will Tear Us Apart', I'm here to tell you that it is far > less painful to hear than the muzak version of Jimmy Hendrix's 'Purple > Haze', which I actually heard in the elevator of my last employer. > > And lets be honest, Ian Curtis didn't exactly have a golden throat, and the > production of that song wasn't very good... the PY version of it at least > made it radio friendly here in the US, where it did get a little play. > Remember, there's always a chance that some young fool took the effort to > find out who 'J. Division' is, and sought out more of Mr. or Ms. Divisions > work. > > I too would rather listen to just about anything by A Flock o' Seagulls or > OMD than even the best of Led Zepplin. Back in my High School days, local > Chicago rock radio stations had an unwritten rule: Thou Shalt Play A Led > Zepplin Song At Least Once An Hour. If I never hear LedZep again, I'd die a > happy camper. Heck, I'd rather listen to all of the pompous Art Rock crap of > the 70's that has been ripped on this list lately than listen to LedZep. > > You know what I'd like to hear right now though.... Dread Zepplin! > > Cheers, > > Ray Ciscon > Remote Office LAN/WAN Support Manager > Comark, Inc. > > In order to provide the best level of support, please contact: > The I.S. Support Center at extension 4357 > ** Every support call should begin with a call to the I. S. Support Center. > ** > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sampson, James O. [mailto:JSampson@iseoptions.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 1:00 PM > To: 'tube disaster'; wire mailing list > Subject: RE: paul effin' young > > Ah - Paul FUCKING Young! > > There's a great line in the Easton book "Less Than Zero" about Young's soft > rock/MUZAK version of LWTUA....The main character is walks into party where > the song is playing over the sound system. He is convinced he is much more > plastered than his usual as he thinks his brain is playing tricks on him! > > Also, during my college years working at the local record store, us clerks > spent much downtime playing Frisbee with the 12" of the Paul Young version > of LWTUA. If I remember correctly, the song was credited on the label to > "J. Division" - as if the lovely Ms. Joy Division penned it. Of course it > was a record company flub, but my hatred for Mr. Young always made me give > him credit for it! > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: tube disaster [mailto:dpbailey@worldnet.att.net] > Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 2:44 PM > To: wire mailing list > Subject: Re: paul effin' young > > > > OK, a question for you UKers ... Did Paul fucking Young start out as a > pseudo-punk or something? A fairly sizable lot of late '70s/early '80s 7"s I > got in the mail a couple of weeks ago included a '78 RSO release of him > doing Sheena is a Punk Rocker & Pretty Vacant. I haven't had the nerve to > put it on the turntable ... as it is, I've been successfully avoiding his > version of Love Will Tear Us Apart (if I'm thinking of the right guy) for > nearly 2 decades now. > > Dan > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:48:51 -0500 From: "Ciscon, Ray" Subject: RE: paul effin' young & LedZep I just want to say thanks to lucifersam for calling me, 37 going on 62, young. It's kinda like when my wife, who's a year younger than me, is asked for her ID before buying a drink... I feel all warm inside... :) Cheers, Ray Ciscon Remote Office LAN/WAN Support Manager Comark, Inc. In order to provide the best level of support, please contact: The I.S. Support Center at extension 4357 ** Every support call should begin with a call to the I. S. Support Center. ** -----Original Message----- From: lucifersam [mailto:lucifersam@supanet.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 3:36 PM To: Ciscon, Ray; wire mailing list Subject: Re: paul effin' young & LedZep I have to beg to differ here young Ray. Have you ever heard such passion as Ian Curtis displayed on "Transmission" of "Love will etc... No vocal chords but soul to die for.Personally I hated Joy Division! But those 2 songs kick me right in the cobblers. As for the production. Who Cares!(with respect). the greatest Rock'n'Roll moments have been recorded in a toilet, leave production to Yes, Pink Floyd or god forbid, Phil 'Let me stab him' Collins. and remember this simple rule. Radio friendlt normally = SHITE!!!! ;-) The Siam Cat (41 tommorow....I hope I die before I...well....Um....) > Regardless of your intense dislike of Paul Young and his version of Joy > Division's 'Love Will Tear Us Apart', I'm here to tell you that it is far > less painful to hear than the muzak version of Jimmy Hendrix's 'Purple > Haze', which I actually heard in the elevator of my last employer. > > And lets be honest, Ian Curtis didn't exactly have a golden throat, and the > production of that song wasn't very good... the PY version of it at least > made it radio friendly here in the US, where it did get a little play. > Remember, there's always a chance that some young fool took the effort to > find out who 'J. Division' is, and sought out more of Mr. or Ms. Divisions > work. > > I too would rather listen to just about anything by A Flock o' Seagulls or > OMD than even the best of Led Zepplin. Back in my High School days, local > Chicago rock radio stations had an unwritten rule: Thou Shalt Play A Led > Zepplin Song At Least Once An Hour. If I never hear LedZep again, I'd die a > happy camper. Heck, I'd rather listen to all of the pompous Art Rock crap of > the 70's that has been ripped on this list lately than listen to LedZep. > > You know what I'd like to hear right now though.... Dread Zepplin! > > Cheers, > > Ray Ciscon > Remote Office LAN/WAN Support Manager > Comark, Inc. > > In order to provide the best level of support, please contact: > The I.S. Support Center at extension 4357 > ** Every support call should begin with a call to the I. S. Support Center. > ** > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sampson, James O. [mailto:JSampson@iseoptions.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 1:00 PM > To: 'tube disaster'; wire mailing list > Subject: RE: paul effin' young > > Ah - Paul FUCKING Young! > > There's a great line in the Easton book "Less Than Zero" about Young's soft > rock/MUZAK version of LWTUA....The main character is walks into party where > the song is playing over the sound system. He is convinced he is much more > plastered than his usual as he thinks his brain is playing tricks on him! > > Also, during my college years working at the local record store, us clerks > spent much downtime playing Frisbee with the 12" of the Paul Young version > of LWTUA. If I remember correctly, the song was credited on the label to > "J. Division" - as if the lovely Ms. Joy Division penned it. Of course it > was a record company flub, but my hatred for Mr. Young always made me give > him credit for it! > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: tube disaster [mailto:dpbailey@worldnet.att.net] > Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 2:44 PM > To: wire mailing list > Subject: Re: paul effin' young > > > > OK, a question for you UKers ... Did Paul fucking Young start out as a > pseudo-punk or something? A fairly sizable lot of late '70s/early '80s 7"s I > got in the mail a couple of weeks ago included a '78 RSO release of him > doing Sheena is a Punk Rocker & Pretty Vacant. I haven't had the nerve to > put it on the turntable ... as it is, I've been successfully avoiding his > version of Love Will Tear Us Apart (if I'm thinking of the right guy) for > nearly 2 decades now. > > Dan > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 16:59:55 -0400 From: Katherine Pouliot Subject: Re: paul effin' young & LedZep right on, my brother! > From: "Ciscon, Ray" > Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 13:27:15 -0500 > To: "wire mailing list" > Subject: RE: paul effin' young & LedZep > > Regardless of your intense dislike of Paul Young and his version of Joy > Division's 'Love Will Tear Us Apart', I'm here to tell you that it is far > less painful to hear than the muzak version of Jimmy Hendrix's 'Purple > Haze', which I actually heard in the elevator of my last employer. > > And lets be honest, Ian Curtis didn't exactly have a golden throat, and the > production of that song wasn't very good... the PY version of it at least > made it radio friendly here in the US, where it did get a little play. > Remember, there's always a chance that some young fool took the effort to > find out who 'J. Division' is, and sought out more of Mr. or Ms. Divisions > work. > > I too would rather listen to just about anything by A Flock o' Seagulls or > OMD than even the best of Led Zepplin. Back in my High School days, local > Chicago rock radio stations had an unwritten rule: Thou Shalt Play A Led > Zepplin Song At Least Once An Hour. If I never hear LedZep again, I'd die a > happy camper. Heck, I'd rather listen to all of the pompous Art Rock crap of > the 70's that has been ripped on this list lately than listen to LedZep. > > You know what I'd like to hear right now though.... Dread Zepplin! > > Cheers, > > Ray Ciscon > Remote Office LAN/WAN Support Manager > Comark, Inc. > ------------------------------ Date: 07 Jun 2000 16:02:17 -0500 From: Jack Steinmann Subject: re: Re: paul effin' young & LedZep 1) The production of most Factory JD songs was usually AMAZING. 'Love Will Tear Us Apart' was something of an exception, though, being one of the few Hannett productions that was so unsatisfactory to all participants that a second version was included on the flip side of the single. Great drums, though. 2) Ian Curtis wasn't a great singer the way, say, Thom Yorke is a great singer. But no one could have done for 'New Dawn Fades' or 'Dead Souls' what Curtis did. 3) Led Zep: Strip off the vocals (if only!) and you'd have some pretty cool stuff. Compare uh, Dancing Days with Lowdown. Jack lucifersam@supanet.com wrote: >I have to beg to differ here young Ray. Have you ever heard such passion >as Ian Curtis displayed on "Transmission" of "Love will etc... No vocal >chords >but soul to die for.Personally I hated Joy Division! But those 2 songs >kick me right in the cobblers. As for the production. Who Cares!(with >respect). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 22:34:51 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: paul effin' young & LedZep You're not the only one Ray!!!! - ----- Original Message ----- From: Ciscon, Ray To: wire mailing list Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 9:48 PM Subject: RE: paul effin' young & LedZep > I just want to say thanks to lucifersam for calling me, 37 going on 62, > young. > > It's kinda like when my wife, who's a year younger than me, is asked for her > ID before buying a drink... I feel all warm inside... :) > > Cheers, > > Ray Ciscon > Remote Office LAN/WAN Support Manager > Comark, Inc. > > In order to provide the best level of support, please contact: > The I.S. Support Center at extension 4357 > ** Every support call should begin with a call to the I. S. Support Center. > ** > > -----Original Message----- > From: lucifersam [mailto:lucifersam@supanet.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 3:36 PM > To: Ciscon, Ray; wire mailing list > Subject: Re: paul effin' young & LedZep > > I have to beg to differ here young Ray. Have you ever heard such passion > as Ian Curtis displayed on "Transmission" of "Love will etc... No vocal > chords > but soul to die for.Personally I hated Joy Division! But those 2 songs > kick me right in the cobblers. As for the production. Who Cares!(with > respect). > the greatest Rock'n'Roll moments have been recorded in a toilet, leave > production > to Yes, Pink Floyd or god forbid, Phil 'Let me stab him' Collins. and > remember this simple rule. Radio friendlt normally = SHITE!!!! ;-) > The Siam Cat > (41 tommorow....I hope I die before I...well....Um....) > > > > Regardless of your intense dislike of Paul Young and his version of Joy > > Division's 'Love Will Tear Us Apart', I'm here to tell you that it is far > > less painful to hear than the muzak version of Jimmy Hendrix's 'Purple > > Haze', which I actually heard in the elevator of my last employer. > > > > And lets be honest, Ian Curtis didn't exactly have a golden throat, and > the > > production of that song wasn't very good... the PY version of it at least > > made it radio friendly here in the US, where it did get a little play. > > Remember, there's always a chance that some young fool took the effort to > > find out who 'J. Division' is, and sought out more of Mr. or Ms. Divisions > > work. > > > > I too would rather listen to just about anything by A Flock o' Seagulls or > > OMD than even the best of Led Zepplin. Back in my High School days, local > > Chicago rock radio stations had an unwritten rule: Thou Shalt Play A Led > > Zepplin Song At Least Once An Hour. If I never hear LedZep again, I'd die > a > > happy camper. Heck, I'd rather listen to all of the pompous Art Rock crap > of > > the 70's that has been ripped on this list lately than listen to LedZep. > > > > You know what I'd like to hear right now though.... Dread Zepplin! > > > > Cheers, > > > > Ray Ciscon > > Remote Office LAN/WAN Support Manager > > Comark, Inc. > > > > In order to provide the best level of support, please contact: > > The I.S. Support Center at extension 4357 > > ** Every support call should begin with a call to the I. S. Support > Center. > > ** > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Sampson, James O. [mailto:JSampson@iseoptions.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 1:00 PM > > To: 'tube disaster'; wire mailing list > > Subject: RE: paul effin' young > > > > Ah - Paul FUCKING Young! > > > > There's a great line in the Easton book "Less Than Zero" about Young's > soft > > rock/MUZAK version of LWTUA....The main character is walks into party > where > > the song is playing over the sound system. He is convinced he is much > more > > plastered than his usual as he thinks his brain is playing tricks on him! > > > > Also, during my college years working at the local record store, us clerks > > spent much downtime playing Frisbee with the 12" of the Paul Young version > > of LWTUA. If I remember correctly, the song was credited on the label to > > "J. Division" - as if the lovely Ms. Joy Division penned it. Of course it > > was a record company flub, but my hatred for Mr. Young always made me give > > him credit for it! > > > > Jim > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tube disaster [mailto:dpbailey@worldnet.att.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 2:44 PM > > To: wire mailing list > > Subject: Re: paul effin' young > > > > > > > > OK, a question for you UKers ... Did Paul fucking Young start out as a > > pseudo-punk or something? A fairly sizable lot of late '70s/early '80s 7"s > I > > got in the mail a couple of weeks ago included a '78 RSO release of him > > doing Sheena is a Punk Rocker & Pretty Vacant. I haven't had the nerve to > > put it on the turntable ... as it is, I've been successfully avoiding his > > version of Love Will Tear Us Apart (if I'm thinking of the right guy) for > > nearly 2 decades now. > > > > Dan > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 22:49:07 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: Re: paul effin' young & LedZep Actually....as a former punk rocker.....I feel......embarrassed to say....... I quite like..........some Led Zeppelin........Saw 'em at Earls court in 1975... the night England beat Scotland 5-1 @ Wembley.....eeekkkkk Some of there stuff, beleive it or not is quite Avant Garde....... "No Quarter"..."Kasmir"....."Dancin' Days"..."Achilles Last Stand"... The Chemical Brothers used Bonhams drums on there first single! The Siam Twat.... (dreading midnight) - ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Steinmann To: Cc: wire mailing list Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 10:02 PM Subject: re: Re: paul effin' young & LedZep > 1) The production of most Factory JD songs was usually AMAZING. 'Love Will Tear Us Apart' was something of an exception, though, being one of the few Hannett productions that was so unsatisfactory to all participants that a second version was included on the flip side of the single. Great drums, though. > > 2) Ian Curtis wasn't a great singer the way, say, Thom Yorke is a great singer. But no one could have done for 'New Dawn Fades' or 'Dead Souls' what Curtis did. > > 3) Led Zep: Strip off the vocals (if only!) and you'd have some pretty cool stuff. Compare uh, Dancing Days with Lowdown. > > > Jack > > > lucifersam@supanet.com wrote: > >I have to beg to differ here young Ray. Have you ever heard such passion > >as Ian Curtis displayed on "Transmission" of "Love will etc... No vocal > >chords > >but soul to die for.Personally I hated Joy Division! But those 2 songs > >kick me right in the cobblers. As for the production. Who Cares!(with > >respect). > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 18:53:29 EDT From: "Syarzhuk Kazachenka" Subject: OT: Exploited Can you guys explain why there is such animosity towards Exploited, especially among Brits? I saw it on punk77 list, and I think I saw it here yesterday, unless I am way mistaken. I have no idea about who they teamed up in regards of politics (if their politics are the reason), but I do know their lyrics ("Maggie... you're a c$%t") are not that much different from, say, Crass, and musically "Punk's not dead" is way better than pretty much anything by, say, above-mentioned Crass, or highly-praised (at least in US) Minor Threat. I mean, Exploited are a very good 80s punk band. They are not punk77; but they are not your Green Day/Offspring either. So why all the animosity? By the way, there is a great Belarusan project called "Khemska wolost", that just takes Exploited tunes and writes new lyrics to them. Sounds really really interested - the lyrics usually don't have to be changed much, just translated, and they are VERY relevant to current situation in Belarus. (the "Maggie..." quote above becoming "Luka - you're a cock" where Luka is president Lukashenko) Syarzhuk, who LUVs "Punk's not dead", thinks "Troops of Tomorrow" is great, "Let's start a war" is good, "Horror Epics" is Ok, "Massacre" is good thrash-core that has little to do with punk; and who cannot stand anything off "Death before dishonour". I haven't heard the latest (Bastards?) album yet... Be healthy, stay wealthy... Visit Belarusan Music Source - http://belmusic.hypermart.net ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 23:40:43 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: your 'E' joke I try my best mate! - ----- Original Message ----- From: sean bowen To: lucifersam Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 11:18 PM Subject: Re: your 'E' joke > Now this was sharp, even by your standards, Lucifer ! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: lucifersam > To: ; > Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 5:49 PM > Subject: Re: Off Topic > > > > Blimey Chris....an 'E' in your right ear! what a waste. Aren't you meant > > to swallow them??????????? > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > If anyone's interested The Chameleons were at The Shep. Bush Empire last > > > night and they were *excellent*. I haven't pogo'd as much for a long > time. > > > Unfortunately, I now have a perfect high pitched E in my right ear that > > > won't seem to go. > > > > > > Chris ~ Mr Zebedee himself > > > > > > > > > > > > The Information in this communication is confidential and may be > > privileged > > > and should be treated by the recipient accordingly. If you are not the > > > intended recipient please notify me immediately. You should not copy it > or > > > use it for any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 00:11:30 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: Re: paul effin' young & LedZep I quite like some of the folk stuff. But then, I am a recent convert to Nick Drake and the Incredible String band! - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: lucifersam Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 12:01 AM Subject: Re: Re: paul effin' young & LedZep > > The problem with Zep is that familiarity breeds contempt (I've been waiting > to use that line for awhile). I could do without the ballads and folksy > material, but, The Immigrant Song? When Bobby Plant starts hollering for > the Viking hordes? I'm there, dude! > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 00:17:54 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: Exploited > Can you guys explain why there is such animosity towards Exploited, Basically mate, they were a pile of shite. They had no idea of what punk was all about (like 90% of the music world) and missed the point totally. > especially among Brits? I saw it on punk77 list, and I think I saw it here > yesterday, unless I am way mistaken. > < I have no idea about who they teamed up in regards of politics (if > their politics are the reason), but I do know their lyrics ("Maggie... > you're a c$%t") are not that much different from, say, Crass, and > musically "Punk's not dead" is way better than pretty much anything > by, say, above-mentioned Crass, or highly-praised (at least in US) > Minor Threat. I mean, Exploited are a very good 80s punk band. They > are not punk77; but they are not your Green Day/Offspring either. > So why all the animosity? << because it was wankers like these who turned what was a pure and honest movement, into a cartoon cliche. Stupid Mowhawk haircuts and the uniform Leather Jacket. Wankers, Scum..die die die... >It meant more than that.......;-) The Siam Cat..........close to death...... ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #174 *******************************