From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #168 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, June 2 2000 Volume 03 : Number 168 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: misc. digest comments [OptionsR@aol.com] Mute Drivers [John Roberts ] Re: Mute Drivers [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re: Mute Drivers [John Roberts ] re cv/omd + buzzards+s.f.s [Alan Gray ] Leatherface [John Roberts ] Re: misc. digest comments [Jonathan Land ] OT: Paul Bartel ["Ciscon, Ray" ] Re: re cv/omd + buzzards+s.f.s [MarkBursa@aol.com] Sensoria [WIR1stLetterCD@webtv.net] Re: misc. digest comments ["stephen graziano" ] Re: misc. digest comments ["stephen graziano" ] re cv/omd+RFH lone voice [Alan Gray ] Re: misc. digest comments ["Katherine Pouliot" ] Wire Interview Here [timrobinson@cwcom.net] Re: Garage (Saturday) ["ian barrett" ] Re: Garage (Saturday) ["ian barrett" ] Re: Sensoria ["ian barrett" ] Re: Garage (Saturday) [MarkBursa@aol.com] "The 4th album" (was Re: Garage (Saturday)) [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: "The 4th album" (was Re: Garage (Saturday)) ["Stephen Jackson" ] Re: re cv/omd + buzzards+s.f.s [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re[2]: Garage (Saturday) [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re: re cv/omd + buzzards+s.f.s ["tube disaster" Subject: Mute Drivers > >Steve Wright is Wire's soundman. He was also in a band in the 80's called > >the "Mute Drivers" who released a fantastic single called "Boom town" > And an album every other month - all of which sounded like it too. They were two blokes who used to actually drive mute deliveries. > The Mute Drivers also plays on the B-Side of A.C. Marias "One of Our > Girls..." single, the track is an incredible cover of Lou Reed "Vicious". Incredible in its being f*cking awful you mean? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 15:07:23 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re: Mute Drivers > >Steve Wright is Wire's soundman. He was also in a band in the 80's called > >the "Mute Drivers" who released a fantastic single called "Boom town" > And an album every other month - all of which sounded like it too. They were two blokes who used to actually drive mute deliveries. > The Mute Drivers also plays on the B-Side of A.C. Marias "One of Our > Girls..." single, the track is an incredible cover of Lou Reed "Vicious". Incredible in its being f*cking awful you mean? >>>>> must admit i always thought they were a bit more into quantity than quality ; some good stuff amongst a lot of mediocrity. although i quite like "vicious" i must say. so did "blessed state" get played at any of the us gigs? real shame it never made it from "third day" into the live set. p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 14:17:47 +0100 (BST) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: Mute Drivers > so did "blessed state" get played at any of the us gigs? real shame it never made it from "third day" into the live set. p > SOmeone mentioned this earlier as having been played at the RFH. It wasn't. Must admit it's one of my faves. Hope that it makes it in there at some later stage - and the return of Seriousness wouldn't go amiss either.> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 14:24:21 +-100 From: Alan Gray Subject: re cv/omd + buzzards+s.f.s Dan wrote... >... was my noticing a newly added copy of the (Leyton) Buzzards' Jellied >Eels to Record Deals LP in the 7-for-$5 stacks ... I've only been looking >for that one for about a decade now. Found a cheap promo copy of the new >Leatherface CD, too (Mush may well have been the best capital-P Punk album >of the '90s). That was a find. I don't have that LP but when I get home I will now have to play the EP with palm trees and 'Youthanasia' with the classic lines "better underground than under bosses, do yourself in, and cut your losses" (What a great band) On the subject of cheap finds, I bought five CD's for 99p each in a charity shop in Kentish town. this was on spec as I knew nothing about them and had no idea what they would sound like untill I got home. Three were no good at all. the other two were; Lollo rosso some (easy going) remixes,the third track in particular, homeun ubershow, schneider TM, is worth foisting on anyone who gets a lift in my car. and 'Law of ruins',by Six finger satellite. Have n't reached a conclusion on this American metabolist stuff yet but, one track, "surveillance house" has the lines, Much to my chagrin.... I dont like the state I am in. Alan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 14:53:56 +0100 (BST) From: John Roberts Subject: Leatherface The band are a bunch of alkies (allegedly). Oh, and when they last played Leicester they stayed at a mate of mine's house. Frankie ended a great night by getting paraletic and punching him. Suffice to say that they will have to seek alternative accomodation in future visits to Leicester. John Roberts ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 10:16:02 -0400 From: Jonathan Land Subject: Re: misc. digest comments >Re: "Death Race 2000"...YEAH! Paul Bartel had a wicked sense of humor; Mary >Woronov is one of the sexiest actresses to ever grace a movie screen; These two were also great in "Rock and Roll High School". mmmmm..... Miss Togar. "Do your parents KNOW you're Ramones?" Jon - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- http://incomplete.net If it's not here, it's incomplete! jland@incomplete.net Guinea Pig cam available (sometimes) at http://incomplete.net/espicam.html - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 09:34:26 -0500 From: "Ciscon, Ray" Subject: OT: Paul Bartel You're all forgetting Paul Bartel and Mary Woronov's magnum opus, 'Eating Raoul'. I haven't seen it for years, but I remember laughing my ass off! For those of you that haven't seen it, the plot goes something like this.... Mary, being very short on cash, decides to make ends meet by working in the 'worlds oldest profession'. She accidentally kills one of her customers, and discovers that he had a TON of cash in his wallet. She gets together with Paul, and they decide to make a business out of killing her customers for their money.... Oh did I mention cannibalism is involved also? It's a MUST SEE! Cheers, Ray Ciscon Remote Office LAN/WAN Support Manager Comark, Inc. In order to provide the best level of support, please contact: The I.S. Support Center at extension 4357 ** Every support call should begin with a call to the I. S. Support Center. ** -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Land [mailto:jland@incomplete.net] Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 9:16 AM To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: misc. digest comments >Re: "Death Race 2000"...YEAH! Paul Bartel had a wicked sense of humor; Mary >Woronov is one of the sexiest actresses to ever grace a movie screen; These two were also great in "Rock and Roll High School". mmmmm..... Miss Togar. "Do your parents KNOW you're Ramones?" Jon - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- http://incomplete.net If it's not here, it's incomplete! jland@incomplete.net Guinea Pig cam available (sometimes) at http://incomplete.net/espicam.html - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 11:05:14 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: re cv/omd + buzzards+s.f.s Alan, << That was a find. I don't have that LP but when I get home I will now have to play the EP with palm trees and 'Youthanasia' with the classic lines "better underground than under bosses, do yourself in, and cut your losses" (What a great band) >> ...until they mutated, via mod and new romantic phases, into Modern Romance.... Ay ay ay ay moosey! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 11:44:43 -0500 (CDT) From: WIR1stLetterCD@webtv.net Subject: Sensoria In a message dated 5/30/00 1:46:43 PM, hspenser@oup.co.uk writes: 4 Sensoria (1984)- they were trying hard to sell out with this one, but even so ... anyone remember the video, with the emacited preacher doing the 'always work / go to church / respect those in power' sampled hot-prot thing? And the camera on a see saw effect? >>>>> Hi All! I happened to be lurking and hspencer's mention of Sensoria magnetized me. Is Sensoria the song where the main chorus is: "Be A Good Citizen", sung over and over throughout the song, with verses / lyrics such as: "pay your taxes", "don't litter", "be on time", "obey the law", etc et al, sung in a fast paced - baritone manner? I don't recall if the singer(s) voice(s) was echoed or a group of voices unified at the same deep pitch (as I vaguely recall / circa 1984). Is this Cabaret Voltaire material (Sensoria) or whom? I have tried contacting WNUR 89.3 radio (North Western University / where I heard this gem) via phone / website and the current students try to help, but so far no luck in determining who does this "Be A Good Citizen" song. Even people (off-hour pro DJs and know-it-all hobbyists) on the 'Name That Tune' and 'Dr Demento' posting boards are baffled and have offered 'dead end' suggestions, leading to further obscurity. Does anyone with the advantage in-sight able to isolate this single version from whatever list of 40's this may classify in? Option's R? It's a rare one (you may want it too). The Boy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 13:16:24 EDT From: "stephen graziano" Subject: Re: misc. digest comments > >Re: ELO...I'm surprised that no one has made mention that "Mannequin" has a >DIRECT cop from "Do Ya" in it. > > Yeah, but "Do Ya" is a Move song, that Jeff Lynne redid with ELO. Btw, how does everyone feel about Cheap Trick? ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 13:21:23 EDT From: "stephen graziano" Subject: Re: misc. digest comments YEAH! Paul Bartel had a wicked sense of >>humor; Mary >>Woronov is one of the sexiest actresses to ever grace a movie screen; > > These two were also great in "Rock and Roll High School". >mmmmm..... Miss Togar. > And "Eating Raul"! ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 18:28:26 +-100 From: Alan Gray Subject: re cv/omd+RFH lone voice >>...until they mutated, via mod and new romantic phases, into Modern >>Romance.... >>Ay ay ay ay moosey! selective amnesia on that one. Anyway I did go to the Garage on Saturday and got an RFH cd which I've been listening to while working this week. I was at the RFH where there were a lot of requests bellowed between numbers which the sound engineer has faded out or substituted stock cheering in their place. I can understand this. There was a chap sitting a few rows behind me,who with each set of requests shouted repeatedly for "indoor major". Perhaps it was an anti-matter comedian,but he was not at the Garage,saturday or I might have spotted him in a smaller venue. Alan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 14:08:01 -0400 From: "Katherine Pouliot" Subject: Re: misc. digest comments - ----- Original Message ----- From: stephen graziano To: ; Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 1:16 PM Subject: Re: misc. digest comments Btw, how > does everyone feel about Cheap Trick? I remember being very enthusiastic about "Live at Budakhan" (sp?) but that was a long time ago!! Recently downloaded some songs from that and listened again, and wasn't as impressed. But back then it was fun air guitar music! Katherine ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 20:39:52 +0100 From: timrobinson@cwcom.net Subject: Wire Interview Here Those jolly nice people at XFM in Dublin have a Wire interview here: http://isis.ie/xfm/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 20:50:13 +0100 From: "ian barrett" Subject: Re: Garage (Saturday) - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 11:16 PM Subject: Re: Garage (Saturday) That post-154 period is my favourite Wire period. I > really wish they'd rsurrect some of those D&E ear songs. In fact I'd like > them to record the album that would have come after 154....now there's an > idea! A handful of these were taken care of on Not To and Dome 1, but I'd love to hear how Eastern Standard might have turned out ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 21:02:59 +0100 From: "ian barrett" Subject: Re: Garage (Saturday) - ----- Original Message ----- From: tube disaster To: wire mailing list Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 12:39 AM Subject: Re: Garage (Saturday) > > Someone -- Charles? -- noted after one of the US shows that, live, it's > quite apparent that 12XU was very much the antecedent of Drill, which in > turn of course encapsulated 2nd-incarnation Wire's raison d'etre ... I think > he's right, & I'd say that's reason enough to play it. Then again, I regard > Pink Flag as the greatest album ever released, so there you go. > > Dan I think someone in the band has kind of acknowledged a link. For me the two don't compare, however. I'd class 12XU as a pretty average'77 sub-punk workout (admittedly redeemed slightly by some interesting lyrics) whereas Drill is a marvellous, open ended mutable masterpiece (where the lyrics are of little consequence). I shudder at the prospect of a 20 minute version of 12XU. Perhaps I should give Pink Flag another chance. It's had a fair crack of the whip, but mainly on the strength of my love of much of their subsequent work. I have to say, though, that if this had been my first Wire related purchase it would have seriously hampered my desire to investigate further. Ian > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 22:50:05 +0100 From: "ian barrett" Subject: Re: Sensoria It ain't Sensoria (unless there's some very radical reworking of it). But I don't know what it is. I'd be surprised if nobody on this list can help out though. The range of music which some people on this list are familiar with (and from this I exclude myself) is pretty expansive. Ian - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 5:44 PM Subject: Sensoria > In a message dated 5/30/00 1:46:43 PM, hspenser@oup.co.uk writes: 4 > Sensoria (1984)- they were trying hard to sell out with this one, but > even so ... anyone remember the video, with the emacited preacher doing > the 'always work / go to church / respect those in power' sampled > hot-prot thing? And the camera on a see saw effect? >>>>> Hi All! I > happened to be lurking and hspencer's mention of Sensoria magnetized me. > Is Sensoria the song where the main chorus is: "Be A Good Citizen", sung > over and over throughout the song, with verses / lyrics such as: "pay > your taxes", "don't litter", "be on time", "obey the law", etc et al, > sung in a fast paced - baritone manner? I don't recall if the singer(s) > voice(s) was echoed or a group of voices unified at the same deep pitch > (as I vaguely recall / circa 1984). Is this Cabaret Voltaire material > (Sensoria) or whom? I have tried contacting WNUR 89.3 radio (North > Western University / where I heard this gem) via phone / website and the > current students try to help, but so far no luck in determining who does > this "Be A Good Citizen" song. Even people (off-hour pro DJs and > know-it-all hobbyists) on the 'Name That Tune' and 'Dr Demento' posting > boards are baffled and have offered 'dead end' suggestions, leading to > further obscurity. Does anyone with the advantage in-sight able to > isolate this single version from whatever list of 40's this may classify > in? Option's R? It's a rare one (you may want it too). The Boy > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 18:03:27 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Garage (Saturday) Ian, << I think someone in the band has kind of acknowledged a link. >> When they played live as Wir (but billed as Wire...) in 1990 they performed a piece called 12DrillU, which was a bastard offspring off the two. Amusing, but throwaway. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 18:14:03 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: "The 4th album" (was Re: Garage (Saturday)) Ian, << A handful of these were taken care of on Not To and Dome 1, but I'd love to hear how Eastern Standard might have turned out >> Yes, but not in a Wire way.... the Dome versions of And then.... and Ritual View are very different, while Colin's versions of Lorries, Safe, Remove for Improvement and Inventory are total rewrites. Really only 5/10 and We meet under tables are close to the originals... Try this for a track listing (which really works!) for Wire's 1980-vintage fourth album: Side 1 (vinyl only of course, CDs not yet invented..) 5/10 Our Swimmer Safe Relationship The Spare One Lorries Part of Our History Side 2 Ally in Exile Underwater experiences Witness to the fact Over my head Revealing trade secrets And then... Coda I've left off the more extreme D&E stuff (no room for Eels Sang Lino!) as that's how I imagine album 5 would have sounded! As for a title: Part of our history?? ;-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 07:58:57 +0100 From: "Stephen Jackson" Subject: Re: "The 4th album" (was Re: Garage (Saturday)) >5/10 >Our Swimmer >Safe >Relationship >The Spare One >Lorries >Part of Our History > >Side 2 > >Ally in Exile >Underwater experiences >Witness to the fact >Over my head >Revealing trade secrets >And then... >Coda And what a great album that would have been...Relationship is a fantastic song, and Ally In Exile is one of favourite Wire songs period...resistance is indeed futile Steve. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I'll leave graffiti where you've never been kissed. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 01:14:44 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: cheap trick Btw, how >does everyone feel about Cheap Trick? Good-to-great first 3 albums (plus of course Budokan, a gem in itself), esp. considering the milieu (the mid-'70s Midwestern bar-band scene, basically, I take it) they were coming out of. Sometimes I think He's a Whore may've been the first postpunk song ... Big Black barely had to tweak it at all when they covered it, & it sounded like something they'd come up with themselves. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 9:47:08 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re: re cv/omd + buzzards+s.f.s Dan wrote... >... was my noticing a newly added copy of the (Leyton) Buzzards' Jellied >Eels to Record Deals LP in the 7-for-$5 stacks ... I've only been looking >for that one for about a decade now. Found a cheap promo copy of the new >Leatherface CD, too (Mush may well have been the best capital-P Punk album >of the '90s). That was a find. I don't have that LP but when I get home I will now have to play the EP with palm trees and 'Youthanasia' with the classic lines "better underground than under bosses, do yourself in, and cut your losses" (What a great band) mmmm , not so sure about that. you do realise the leyton buzzards turned into modern romance ; did they reach arkansas dan? aye aye aye aye mooosey indeed.p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 9:58:15 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: Garage (Saturday) When they played live as Wir (but billed as Wire...) in 1990 they performed a piece called 12DrillU, which was a bastard offspring off the two. Amusing, but throwaway. Mark >>>>> i really liked that. it was a mixture of the two plus tecnotronic's "this beat is technotronic" , so you got "this beat is , this beat is , this beat is 12drillu". i thought that was pretty inspired. certainly got the crowd going at the gig i was at (bristol). p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 01:57:37 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: re cv/omd + buzzards+s.f.s >Dan wrote... >>... was my noticing a newly added copy of the (Leyton) Buzzards' Jellied >Eels to Record Deals LP in the 7-for-$5 stacks ... I've only been looking >for that one for about a decade now. Found a cheap promo copy of the new >Leatherface CD, too (Mush may well have been the best capital-P Punk album >of the '90s). > >That was a find. I don't have that LP but when I get home I will now have to play the EP with palm trees and 'Youthanasia' with the classic lines >"better underground than under bosses, do yourself in, >and cut your losses" >(What a great band) > >mmmm , not so sure about that. you do realise the leyton buzzards turned into modern romance ; did they reach arkansas dan? aye aye aye aye mooosey indeed.p I know Modern Romance by name only ... if I've ever heard a single song of theirs (including Moosey, which I've heard certain New Wave aficionados invoke with something approaching reverence), I'm not aware of it. Just out of curiosity, a few weeks ago I went looking through the local used racks, but the only Modern Romance that showed up was recorded after one of the 2 Leyton Buzzards mainstays had left the band. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 10:17:16 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: re cv/omd + buzzards+s.f.s I know Modern Romance by name only ... if I've ever heard a single song of theirs (including Moosey, which I've heard certain New Wave aficionados invoke with something approaching reverence), I'm not aware of it. Just out of curiosity, a few weeks ago I went looking through the local used racks, but the only Modern Romance that showed up was recorded after one of the 2 Leyton Buzzards mainstays had left the band. Dan >>>>> sorry but i thought they were atrocious , endless singles reworking exactly the same limp salsa idea. real 80's disaster area , right up there with kershaw , heyward , astley and the rest.p ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #168 *******************************