From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #166 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, May 31 2000 Volume 03 : Number 166 Today's Subjects: ----------------- PetSounds [VoxxJaguar@aol.com] hold me back [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Blurt [Anthony Clough ] re in defence of the cars and yesterdays effort [Alan Gray ] Re:It's Blurts Fault! Blurt is to blame. [Creatured ] Re: Cabs in Chicago ["MackDaddyD" ] Garage (Saturday) [Ian Grant ] Re: Garage,etc ["bren mac greine" ] The only Swede (Not!) ["=?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5kansson=2C_Anders?=" ] Re: monkees strumming ["stephen graziano" ] pointless diversion yet Wire-related [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Garage (Saturday) ["ian barrett" ] Re: Garage (Saturday) ["tube disaster" ] SV: The only Swede (Not!) ["=?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5kansson=2C_Anders?=" ] Re: In defense of The Cars (Re: Oi!! ELO!!! No!!!!!) [MarkBursa@aol.com] Syds Floyd.................. ["lucifersam" ] Re: cv/omd [Rob Warnock ] Re: pointless diversion yet Wire-related [Carl Archer ] Re: In defense of The Cars (Re: Oi!! ELO!!! No!!!!!) [Jonathan Land ] Re: omd (was:monkees strumming) ["tube disaster" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 05:31:26 EDT From: VoxxJaguar@aol.com Subject: PetSounds In a message dated 5/31/00 3:37:27 AM Central Daylight Time, owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org writes: > but the strangely sinister bunch that > made Pet Sounds & various other narcotically influenced pop items > in the nineteen hundred and sixties? Yes! Who's going to see Brian Wilson with the 55 piece orchestra perform PetSounds (in it's entirety) at the lovely Chicago Theatre this July 22? I saw TomWaits there last August and it was fantastic. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 11:25:17 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: hold me back now i promised to be nice and not slag bands off anymore. i'm really trying , honest. and of course i can't play the cello like those nice men in elo. but i see this enormous open goal looming before me and the ball is at my feet. resist , resist. remember the scene in death race 2000 where the guy is driving along and sees a row of crippled nuns hobbling along in a field next to him , salivating he ponders what he knows must be a trap........ synchronicity , it's horrible. i bought a copy of a compilation of some us fanzine "search and destroy". first page is an intro by jello biafra. first paragraph the author asks him what inspired him to form a punk band , he replies that it was jeff lynnes comment that what he was looking forward to was being able to send out hologram versions of ELO on tour so they could play a few towns simultaneously and make more money. what a nice idea , wonder if it ever happened? shall i mention the garage? why not....... i did sat/sun , both nights brilliant but different. consensus seems to be fri was not so good. sat was the basic rfh set but with less songs played longer. then the fab encore heartbeat/go ahead/12xu and a climactic drill (with a fat bottomed girl). sun they sort of played it in reverse , with a brilliant "former airline" (indeed!) to start and pink flag to close. no encore was a shame , but great anyway. i hung around and chatted to the band both nights , they seemed really keen to hang out and chat which was great to see. i guess that's the end of this era , that seemed to be the vibe after sunday. so now its new stuff or nothing i guess? we'll see......... nice to meet a few more of you , its been great the way this list has become 3-dimensional this year. let's hope we get a re-run before too long.p ps fun to see the garage turn into a club full of teenagers after saturdays gig. i was sort of fearing a night of nosebleed techno or something and the dj started up with a set of......the cure , new order, nirvana , hole....... nostalgia rules apparently. i'm sure me and uri blended in really well :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 13:21:51 +0100 () From: Anthony Clough Subject: Blurt Blurt played live at a pub near me in Deptford, London about six weeks ago. Didn't go myself so can't say more. Tony. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 14:08:25 +-100 From: Alan Gray Subject: re in defence of the cars and yesterdays effort I'm new to this list and have n't been on any others so yesterday, my lunchbreak offering entititled, 'ELO and the state we were in' through lack of time and due consideration ended up as a diatribe,couched in terms which I should not have rushed out. It deserved some of the remarks it recieved. Believe it or not I was setting out in some kind of defence of the person being panned for ELO and could see comparisons in the stick I get from friends over the warblings of Jon Anderson. I'm sure we all have skeletons in the closet. ELO would be contenders for my room 101 and I know that Jon Anderson would warble into the 101 of many others. I should stop digging now,but must add... My record/cd collection though not large as some mentioned here is very wide ranging. There would be a great deal of common ground there, which is one reason why I have subscribed to this list. A lot of the good stuff from the seventies was knicked. (a mercy knicking some would argue) A lot from back then would seem dated now though there was a great deal of timeless stuff. I did go to the Garage and note the faust comparisons, Anyone who was n't around buying records in 73 could get some sort of melange if they listen to Blur 13. Alan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 14:17:01 +0100 From: Alan_Platten@ipc.co.uk Subject: Re[2]: cv/omd (paul) Eardrumbuz@aol.com wrote: ... it's the flip to 'telegraph'. geez... early omd b-sides... "don't start me off..." (i betray my friends, annex, 4-neu, sacred heart, navigation... *dribble*) alanx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 14:24:47 +-100 From: Alan Gray Subject: whoops An eric the half copy was sent earlier by mistake. (sorry,and I've had to do some work in between) I'm new to this list and have n't been on any others so yesterday, my lunchbreak offering entititled, 'ELO and the state we were in' through lack of time and due consideration ended up as a diatribe,couched in terms which I should not have rushed out. It deserved some of the remarks it recieved. Believe it or not I was setting out in some kind of defence of the person being panned for ELO and could see comparisons in the stick I get from friends over the warblings of Jon Anderson. I'm sure we all have skeletons in the closet. ELO would be contenders for my room 101 and I know that Jon Anderson would warble into the 101 of many others. I should stop digging now,but must add... My record/cd collection though not large as some mentioned here is very wide ranging. There would be a great deal of common ground there, which is one reason why I have subscribed to this list. A lot of the good stuff from the seventies was knicked. (a mercy knicking some would argue) A lot from back then would seem dated now though there was a great deal of timeless stuff. I did go to the Garage and note the faust comparisons, Anyone who was n't around buying records in 73 could get some sort of melange if they listen to Blur 13. Alan alan.gray@twa-group.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 06:40:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Creatured Subject: Re:It's Blurts Fault! Blurt is to blame. I think i said in my earlier post that my live Blurt tape ,Boston 81 that it sounds like there is about 5 to 10 people in the audience. Shows with very few people usally are very good,at least the ones i've been to. Sounds like the taper used the bar to set his/her microphones on. Rick - --- Eardrumbuz@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 5/30/0 1:46:43 PM, hspencer@oup.co.uk writes: > > > > >4 Sensoria (1984)- they were trying hard to sell out with this one, > but > >even so ... anyone remember the video, with the emaciated preacher > doing > >the `always work/go to church/ respect those in power' sampled > hot-prot > >thing? And the camera on a see-saw effect? > Did the Cabs make any impression on America at all? > > i love that video! > > i'd say they had only marginal success in the clubs here, with "i > want you," > "sensoria," and "don't argue." > > i love everything from crackdown through code. unique and it has a > beat you > can dance to. i give it an 80! :o) > > voice of america and the early singles ("no escape" is great) are > faves too. > noisy and a beat you can dance to. i give it an 80 too! > > -paul > > p.s. wow! ted milton on stage with wire!! what i wouldn't give to see > that > :o( > i was one of about four people who attended a blurt gig in ny in the > early > 80's. outstanding! too bad noone else knew...or cared. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 15:07:40 +-100 From: Alan Gray Subject: monkees strumming I remember a clip of the Monkees with Nesmith strumming on his tie which had fallen in front of the strings of his guitar. I never had any OMD records but saw them live once when I was unlucky enough to be living in Exeter for six monthes, and saw every band that ventured there during that time. I remember that the singer had a great wobbling at the mike tecnique. It was during this Exeter period that I went with an expedition to Poole and Bournemouth where the Clash played with a night in Cardiff sensibly sandwiched between the two. London calling was out and this was the last two times I saw them live. What ever you think of their role in the history of punk they were great live. Alan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 09:11:13 -0500 From: "MackDaddyD" Subject: Re: Cabs in Chicago Actually InRe: idalcopy digest v3 #164 - i just get sick of re: digest subs. Anyways - I lived in Kansas City, MO (for the brits - there *is* a Kansas City in Kansas - but it is a tiny satalite of KCMO (which isn't all that itself) Tho KCMO was a cultural void for the most part - i did witness (i beleive) William S Burroughs' last public reading, and a double bill of Foetus and Einsturzende Neubauten. Burroughs was Burroughs (wonderful and frightening) and Einsturzende Neubauten was astounding. Foetus opened in a solo performance with 4-track where he posed, postured, ground his hips and mad ugly noises while the 4-track did not perform significantly better. This was contrasted sharply by the Neubauten performance the intensity of which is best exemplified by (I think) FM Einheit tearing his leg open whilst jumping up and down in a contact-miked shopping cart. He required stitches, but continued performing for another 15 or 20 minutes while bleeding rather profusely. A month or so earlier I heard the Mark Kamis Yashar remix in Chicago (in the then trendsetting Smart Bar). Not knowing who the track was by, I bought a ton of stuff before finding that my (now) wife had the record. Still brilliant after all these years, it must be noted that the original version was not nearly so club-friendly. Yashar was one of (if not) the first brit collabarations with yank club mixers. Laid Back, Groovy and Nasty was produced by Marshall JEfferson, the (then) undisputed king of Chicago House. Chicago house left a large print on RH Kirk's output for many years to follow. Just in passing, Colin's DJ set in the Smart Bar this month made me extremely nostalgic for the 'old days' when the sound system consisted of rows of piezo tweeters in the rafters and honking subwoofers - NO MIDRANGE. House never sounded so good. btw - i also saw the cabs at Metro that same year - not the most remarkable performance in history, but glad i was able to catch 'em once __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 16:28:25 +0100 From: Ian Grant Subject: Garage (Saturday) At 04:30 31/05/00 -0400, Ian wrote: >entertaining even when wildly 'off topic' - but although I'm no Wire >obsessive, I was gutted not to be able to make any of the Garage shows, and >expected a satisfying flood of information a la post RFH (which I saw for >myself) and post US shows. I've been trying to find the time to put down all my thoughts about Saturday. In itself, bearing in mind I was one of the critics of the RFH show, that's a positive indication. While I still wasn't bowled over by all of it - I *really* wish they'd give "12XU" a rest, for a start - I left with a considerable spring in my step. For me, it represented a gigantic step forward - it was confusing, wayward, occasionally dreadful and sporadically brilliant, just as I expect Wire to be. Entertainingly, they seemed intent on delighting and frustrating each section of their audience in turn. At the RFH, they left me completely cold. This time, I felt much more involved. While I remain unconvinced by "He Knows" and some of the extended guitar work-outs veered a little too close to Wedding Present territory for comfort, "Advantage In Height" was bloody monstrous, "Heartbeat" was stunning, "Go Ahead" (which was too obscure for me to recognise) was a joyous mess and "Mannequin" remains a work of utter, utter genius. They seemed to attack the whole thing with a reckless enthusiasm and a new sense of adventure. Although I continue to regard the return to a guitar-bass-drums line-up as a retreat, such concerns didn't stop me from leaving full of optimism for whatever future they decide to pursue. I'm excited again. A couple of other side issues, while I'm here. I picked up a copy of the RFH CD and - bizarrely, bearing in mind my negative reaction to the event itself - have thoroughly enjoyed listening to it. Which tends to indicate that much of my lack of enthusiasm was due to diabolical sound and irritating surroundings rather than Wire themselves. Or that I wasn't actually there at all. Finally, can anyone confirm that the DJ on Saturday night was Kevin Martin, of God / Pathological / Ice fame? His turntable skills were rather rough 'n' ready but he did deliver a fine cocktail of dub, d+b, hip-hop and white noise that kept this particular audience member entertained until the chaps arrived. After all, there aren't many places you can go for a Saturday night where you'll hear "The Nine" by Bad Company (no, not *that* Bad Company!) and "Mannequin".... Cheers, ig. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 10:42:57 PDT From: "bren mac greine" Subject: Re: Garage,etc The other guy was Mr. Saxaphone himself, Terry Edwards from Gallon Drunk. Rumour has it that a E.G. Lewis produced some of his earliest contributions way back when..... Bren >From: "Uri Baran" >To: "Anthony Clough" , >Subject: Re: Garage,etc >Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 09:12:51 +0100 > >I went to all 3. There was some variation especially on the last night with >a 'new' song with Graham on vocals and two 'clarinets'? one manned by ted >Milton. Heartbeat was by then a new song. Fabulous evening. > > > Uri >-----Original Message----- >From: Anthony Clough >To: idealcopy@smoe.org >Date: 30 May 2000 18:08 >Subject: Garage,etc > > > > > >Did anyone attend all three nights - I'm sure they did. Was there much > >variation ? I heard one new song on the Friday "Hypnotise" (?). Is there > >the basis of a new set forming ? > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 19:56:29 +0200 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5kansson=2C_Anders?=" Subject: The only Swede (Not!) Hello Mats and all other Wirelistreaders No Mats, You are not the only Swede on the list... I have been murking around in the background for a very long time, but been too lazy (sorry!)/busy reading an enourmous amount of e-mail to make myself heard. Let me introduce myself: My name is Anders and I come from a small village outside Gothenburg in Sweden. I have been a Wire fan for quite sometime, starting with the Wire Plays Pop compilation. Sadly enough I have never seen Wire live (any chance of any northern dates in the future?) I don't have any favourite Wire period, I just love their music, as well as their different side- projects. There are so many things that I enjoy about this thing called Wire that I could go on forever! I also have other favourites, for example do I love some of the Krautrock groups, for example CAN, Faust and NEU! (The forthcoming CD reissue on Herbert Grönemeyers Grönland label of NEU, NEU2 and NEU75 must not be missed by lovers of great music!) Another great band was early Public Image Ltd. I simply love Metal Box/Second Edition. The first record and The Flowers Of Romance is great too. Talking about great bands... I heard that Ted Milton played with Wire! That sounds absolutely brilliant. The Blurt guy has done alot of great music, for example "Live in Berlin" and "Poppycock" , You can also check out the new album "Celebrating The Bespoke Cell Of Little Ease", to confirm that he is still going strong! He had a web page (which was run by his son, I think) that just disappeared into thin air. Anybody knows anything about it? Bye for now, /Anders ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 15:09:46 EDT From: "stephen graziano" Subject: Re: monkees strumming the Clash played with a night in Cardiff sensibly sandwiched between the two. >London calling was out and this was the last two times I saw them live. >What ever you think of their role in the history of punk they were great >live. > >Alan Just view the live in concert scenes of "Rude Boy" movie to verify this. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 15:16:52 EDT From: "stephen graziano" Subject: Re: monkees strumming > >I remember a clip of the Monkees with Nesmith strumming on his tie which >had fallen in front of the strings of his guitar. The prefab four didn't play any of the instruments on the first Monkees album, but the boys grew increasingly restive with the corporate manipulation and soon started demanding and getting greater artistic freedom as their career progressed. As with many 60's acts, there was a dichotomy between their pop single personality that appealed to the kids, and the full album personality that the nascent FM scene was showcasing. Nesmith, Torke, and Dolenz were all firstrate musicians and songwriters and singers. Remember, the Monkees chose Hendrix as an opening act on a '67 tour. "Head" is an amazing '60's psychedelic movie (written by Jack Nicholson) that shows the band playing with their public image - pretty boy Davie getting his face pummeled in a boxing match! - and showcases their most moving and beautiful song "Porpoise Song" - that alone justifies their existance. Also it was a total commercial bomb. Just goes to show ya. - Steve G. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 15:36:35 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: pointless diversion yet Wire-related Alright, so my wife Rose and I and a couple of friends are out at a bar, and I return to our table with a quartet of beers. Placing them down on the table, I'm suddenly inspired, and say "beer beer beer" in the manner of "drill drill drill." Proving her excellent taste, it took only one repetition for Rose to go, "hey, isn't that Wire?" and allowing me to teach her to go "drinka drinka drinka" in response. Stupid fun. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/reviews.html ::playing around with the decentered self is all fun and games ::until somebody loses an I. ------------------------------ Date: 31 May 2000 16:03:00 -0500 From: Jack Steinmann Subject: re: pointless diversion yet Wire-related Your wife is very tolerant. She's a keeper! Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >Alright, so my wife Rose and I and a couple of friends are out at a bar, >and I return to our table with a quartet of beers. Placing them down on >the table, I'm suddenly inspired, and say "beer beer beer" in the manner >of "drill drill drill." > >Proving her excellent taste, it took only one repetition for Rose to go, >"hey, isn't that Wire?" and allowing me to teach her to go "drinka drinka >drinka" in response. > >Stupid fun. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 18:01:52 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: monkees strumming In a message dated 05/31/00 7:23:38PM, you write: << The prefab four >> I thought that was the Rutles ;-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 18:16:09 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Garage (Saturday) Ian, << While I still wasn't bowled over by all of it - I *really* wish they'd give "12XU" a rest, for a start - << I agree. Personally I wish they'd just done it at the RFH. Sort of the punch line to the previous time they played it (Electric Ballroom)....which has to be the biggest fuck-you ever delivered to an audience (and rightfully so). >>While I remain unconvinced by "He Knows" << It's a grower. Having now heard it four times (anyone got a tape of Saturday???) it's really sticking in my head. There's a great moment when it builds up towards the end and Colin whcacks in a sublime minor chord on "for all your love"...then it subsides to fade. It'll sound great in the iddle of an album, believe me. >>"Advantage In Height" was bloody monstrous, << Agreed. The set was pretty well chosen. I'd have traded Lowdown for Two People in a Room...quite a few songs from the RFH seem to have been purged already (Serious of Snakes, Blessed State etc)...missing from the CD too. >>"Go Ahead" (which was too obscure for me to recognise) was a joyous mess << The high point for me. That post-154 period is my favourite Wire period. I really wish they'd rsurrect some of those D&E ear songs. In fact I'd like them to record the album that would have come after 154....now there's an idea! >>Although I continue to regard the return to a guitar-bass-drums line-up as a retreat, such concerns didn't stop me from leaving full of >> Part of the joy of Wire is the fact live, they sound like no other band. That to me means Gtr/bass/drums/vox. You can bet they'll mess round in the studio when the time comes, but live I'm happy with Mr Gotobed's rules.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 23:09:55 +0100 From: "ian barrett" Subject: Re: The Cabs p.s. blurt . anyone remember the video, with the emaciated preacher doing > >the `always work/go to church/ respect those in power' sampled hot-prot > >thing? And the camera on a see-saw effect? I remember that one. I taped it off the Max Headroom programme years back. Very good video. Very good track. There was another video for Sensoria. Lots of shots of the two of them in some kind of (ahem) industrial plant. Fascination also had a pretty good video ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 23:31:45 +0100 From: "ian barrett" Subject: Re: Garage (Saturday) - ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Grant To: Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 4:28 PM Subject: Garage (Saturday) > > While I still wasn't bowled over by all of it - I *really* wish they'd give > "12XU" a rest Here here. I've never warmed to much of Pink Flag - the only one of all their albums that I can say that about. I'd say the inclusion of 12XU in recent sets is conclusive proof that Wire DO care about their audience I can't really think why else they'd play it > Finally, can anyone confirm that the DJ on Saturday night was Kevin Martin, > of God / Pathological / Ice fame? Speaking of DJs, as many will probably already know, Bruce Gilbert will be hitting the road again this month as part of the touring Festival of Drifting (along with Labradford, Pole, Robin Guthrie, David Pajo, Sigur Ros, Iain Sinclair and Marc Atkins). London, Bristol, Leeds, Manchester, Colchester, 24, 26, 27, 28, 29 respectively. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 16:39:21 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: Garage (Saturday) >> >> While I still wasn't bowled over by all of it - I *really* wish they'd >give >> "12XU" a rest >Here here. I've never warmed to much of Pink Flag - the only one of all >their albums that I can say that about. I'd say the inclusion of 12XU in >recent sets is conclusive proof that Wire DO care about their audience I >can't really think why else they'd play it Someone -- Charles? -- noted after one of the US shows that, live, it's quite apparent that 12XU was very much the antecedent of Drill, which in turn of course encapsulated 2nd-incarnation Wire's raison d'etre ... I think he's right, & I'd say that's reason enough to play it. Then again, I regard Pink Flag as the greatest album ever released, so there you go. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 00:46:52 +0200 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5kansson=2C_Anders?=" Subject: SV: The only Swede (Not!) ABBA is great, The Leather Nun did some early stuff that was interesting, "Alive" was a great record when it arrived, as well as "Lust Games", but then I kind of lost interest.Their cover version of "Gimme Gimme Gimme" I find so-so. It's been awile since I listened to them. If you want to hear great swedish music, you should really listen to Bergman Rock. They played in London (I think) and are probably the best swedish band right now. The stupid thing is I don't think they have any product out just yet under that name.. This is their shot at sucess singing in English. In Sweden they have been around for some years now under the name "Bob Hund" (translated Bod Dog!!!) and are making excellent pop music. They are a superb live act. They have done great coverversions (honestly!) of for example 'Final Solution" by Pere Ubu and Velvet Undergrounds "Guess I'm Falling In Love". /Anders > >Do you like ABBA? How about The Leather Nun? > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 16:58:42 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: In defense of The Cars (Re: Oi!! ELO!!! No!!!!!) After years -- decades, really -- of hearing about how Pink Floyd were actually a great, fractured pop band, rather than soulless purveyors of navel-gazing dreck, before Syd Barrett's departure, a couple of months ago I found a couple of inexpensive cassettes of Piper at the Gates of Dawn & some singles comp at the store near my house & thought I'd give them a try. Result: Nothing. For all the impression the songs made on me, the tapes might as well have been blank. Maybe someday this'll grow on me, but in the meantime, I'll take ELO (navel-gazing dreck, perhaps, but with *killer hooks*), thank you very much. Dan, who strongly suspects that there's a reason why virtually every vacuous burnout on the planet seems to own & revere a copy of that (post-Barrett, of course) monument to elevator music, Dark Side of the Moon >Led Zep: not really >Pink Floyd: absolutely >Yes: absolutely > >Heck I was even a big ZZ Top fan until a friend of mine in 6th grade started >wearing a Dead Kennedy's 'Kill The Poor' pin. Everything changed after >that. > >-Carl > >> From: "tube disaster" >> Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 07:59:20 -0700 >> To: "wire mailing list" >> Subject: Re: In defense of The Cars (Re: Oi!! ELO!!! No!!!!!) >> >> >> >>> I like everything the Cars put out until Heartbeat City. "Cruiser", "Shoo >>> Be Doo", and "Double Life" particularly. I can't say the same about ELO, >>> although I do like a few of their songs. >>> >>> Honestly I don't know why people on a WIRE list are so close-minded about >>> other music. It's a silly paradox. If you don't have anything informative >>> or something nice to say, don't say it. >> >> Just childhood prejudices coming to the fore, I'd say. From glancing at >> other posts, I gather that certain people here listened to the likes of Led >> Zep & Pink Floyd & Yes as kids ... insert those bands' names for ELO & Cars >> in some of these little diatribes, & I'd probably strain my neck nodding in >> agreement. >> >> Dan >> > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 17:30:40 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: BAD is not too bad - WAS-RE: LondonsBurning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!! My impressions of BAD are admittedly colored by the very dull songs that seemed to be in constant rotation on MTV's 120 Minutes in the late '80s & early '90s -- C'mon Every Beatbox, E=MC2 & esp. the absolutely leaden The Globe, the video of which (live footage mainly, I think) is one of the most embarassing things I've ever laid eyes on. I *do* recall hearing a radio song about '95, I believe called Looking for a Song, that was pretty damned decent. Dan >Dan, I agree with just about everything you've said about The Clash, but I >do have to part ways with you on the various incarnations of Big Audio >Dynamite. > >I think that The Clash collapsed under the weight of it's political and >artistic pretensions. > >Big Audio Dynamite, while including various political messages, did not make >it the centerpiece of their artistic existence. Pop, hip-hop, and sampling >was the centerpiece. Take what you will from the various releases, but >B.A.D.'s first album and 'Megatop Phoenix' have an almost permanent spot in >my 100-CD player. > >I don't think I've ever had a Clash album there >... > >Cheers, > >Ray (who now suddenly wants to hear 'Radio Clash' on pirate satellite) >Ciscon > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 00:46:06 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: Blurt Ahhhhh...Deptford fun city!!!!!!!!!!! - ----- Original Message ----- From: Anthony Clough To: Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 1:21 PM Subject: Blurt > > Blurt played live at a pub near me in Deptford, London about six weeks > ago. Didn't go myself so can't say more. > > Tony. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 19:58:58 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: In defense of The Cars (Re: Oi!! ELO!!! No!!!!!) Dan, Early PF are a double-edged sword - killer psych-pop like Arnold Layne or See Emily Play on one hand (to which the Wire of Outdoor Miner owes no small debt) but irritating English whimsy on the other (mice called Gerald etc). Plus a bit of genuine wig-out madness - like Interstellar Overdrive. I like the first two albums, but after that it does get turgid. As for Dark Side, for years I lumped it in with all the other dreadful prog-pomp nonsense. But I heard it again a few years back and...it sounded pretty good. Having convinced myself I was not going soft in the head (though some might disagree....) I tried to work out why. It comes down to 'musicianship', or the illlusion thereof. Yes or ELP with their nasty keyboards and fancy drumming sound 1,000,000 times more revolting now than they ever did. By contrast,There's surprisingly little flash muso-noodling on Dark Side.... Waters and Mason are four-on-the-floor throughout. Gilmour likes a noodle, but it's played hard. It's a bit one-paced, but the sheer conventionality of it means it hasn't dated too badly. Despite being a 'muso' album, it gives the impression of not being. So it sounds OK.....even though in the grand scheme of things it still represented a VERY BAD THING. Mark << After years -- decades, really -- of hearing about how Pink Floyd were actually a great, fractured pop band, rather than soulless purveyors of navel-gazing dreck, before Syd Barrett's departure, a couple of months ago I found a couple of inexpensive cassettes of Piper at the Gates of Dawn & some singles comp at the store near my house & thought I'd give them a try. Result: Nothing. For all the impression the songs made on me, the tapes might as well have been blank. Maybe someday this'll grow on me, but in the meantime, I'll take ELO (navel-gazing dreck, perhaps, but with *killer hooks*), thank you very much. Dan, who strongly suspects that there's a reason why virtually every vacuous burnout on the planet seems to own & revere a copy of that (post-Barrett, of course) monument to elevator music, Dark Side of the Moon >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 01:03:23 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Syds Floyd.................. It is indeed George. The stereo version has so much Echo all over the place that it really kills the violence of the record. That said, the stereo version is still brilliant. The best record of the 60's in my view! - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: lucifersam Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 10:35 PM Subject: Re: In defense of The Cars (Re: Oi!! ELO!!! No!!!!!) > > The mono version of Piper at the Gates of Dawn is a must, you know. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 21:04:49 -0500 From: Rob Warnock Subject: Re: cv/omd FYI. There is supposed to be an OMD B-sides CD released via their official website sometime in the future. You can find more info at: http://www.omd.uk.com/news.html - -Rob- Eardrumbuz@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 5/30/0 4:24:49 PM, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: > > > >I have almost everything recorded by OMD, > >>for goodness sake. We all have our soft underbellies. > > >Which probably means you have some B-sides I don't have. Bastard. > > anyone ever hear omd's 66 and fading (b-side to i forget which song) and the > cabs doublevision? pretty much the same beautiful song. nice to drive to... > > -paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 22:14:39 -0400 From: Carl Archer Subject: Re: pointless diversion yet Wire-related You know....if Wire wanted to make a little extra money they could just license that to a certain brewer. It's not their style, but I certainly wouldn't mind a commercial with that refrain. - -Carl > From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey > Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 15:36:35 -0500 (CDT) > To: Grand Mute Proof > Subject: pointless diversion yet Wire-related > > Alright, so my wife Rose and I and a couple of friends are out at a bar, > and I return to our table with a quartet of beers. Placing them down on > the table, I'm suddenly inspired, and say "beer beer beer" in the manner > of "drill drill drill." > > Proving her excellent taste, it took only one repetition for Rose to go, > "hey, isn't that Wire?" and allowing me to teach her to go "drinka drinka > drinka" in response. > > Stupid fun. > > --Jeff > > J e f f r e y N o r m a n > The Architectural Dance Society > www.uwm.edu/~jenor/reviews.html > ::playing around with the decentered self is all fun and games > ::until somebody loses an I. > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 22:24:51 -0400 From: Jonathan Land Subject: Re: In defense of The Cars (Re: Oi!! ELO!!! No!!!!!) >After years -- decades, really -- of hearing about how Pink Floyd were >actually a great, fractured pop band, rather than soulless purveyors of >navel-gazing dreck, before Syd Barrett's departure, a couple of months ago I >found a couple of inexpensive cassettes of Piper at the Gates of Dawn & some >singles comp at the store near my house & thought I'd give them a try. > >Result: Nothing. For all the impression the songs made on me, the tapes might as well have been blank. That's funny I had the exact same impression. For some reason I kept thinking of it as Bowie's Laughing Gnome taken seriously. I can't bring myself to listen to it a second time. Jon - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- http://incomplete.net If it's not here, it's incomplete! jland@incomplete.net Guinea Pig cam available (sometimes) at http://incomplete.net/espicam.html - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 22:39:05 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: hold me back-deathrace2000 In a message dated 5/31/0 6:02:41 AM, paul.rabjohn@ssab.com writes: >remember the scene in death race 2000 where the guy is driving along and >sees a row of crippled nuns hobbling along in a field next to him , salivating >he ponders what he knows must be a trap........ or when the doctors and nurses line up all the geriatric patients and frankenstein veers at the last second and offs the medical staff instead. what a heart! and strong willed too, not to go for the easy points ;o) - -paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 20:51:12 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: cv/omd One nice thing about the Cabs talk the last day or so (besides making me drag out my copy of Living Legends & listen to Nag Nag Nag over & over ... some garage band ought to try its hand at a more straightforward version of this one [the snotty vocals are already there, god knows], not that I believe it could ever be improved on) is that I was inspired this evening to dash over to the used store a couple of blocks from the house to see if they had a copy of Arm of the Lord, since I can't ever remember hearing I Want You & found the various descriptions intriguing. Well, they did, on vinyl, but even better ... (warning -- postentially disorienting sharp parameter shift ahead) ... was my noticing a newly added copy of the (Leyton) Buzzards' Jellied Eels to Record Deals LP in the 7-for-$5 stacks ... I've only been looking for that one for about a decade now. Found a cheap promo copy of the new Leatherface CD, too (Mush may well have been the best capital-P Punk album of the '90s). Dan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 20:57:50 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: omd (was:monkees strumming) >I never had any OMD records but saw them live once when I was unlucky enough to be living in Exeter for six monthes, and saw every band that ventured there during that time. >I remember that the singer had a great wobbling at the mike tecnique. Which he was still displaying to great effect when they played Tempe circa 3/82. The songs were all quite a bit faster live than on record, too. Worst thing about that show is that the SF band The Units (sort of the US equivalent of early Human League, except sprightlier ... their Digital Stimulation LP really warrants a CD reissue, & one of these years perhaps the tapes for the 2 subsequent, never-released albums they recorded with Bill Nelson at the helm will surface, too, though toward the end they also echoed the Human League's descent into the realm of pure fluff) were supposed to open, but either that didn't happen or -- much worse! -- we got there too late to see them. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 20:14:11 -0700 From: "marlon" Subject: Re: monkees strumming i am the waitress - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 3:01 PM Subject: Re: monkees strumming > In a message dated 05/31/00 7:23:38PM, you write: > > << The prefab four >> > > I thought that was the Rutles ;-) > > Mark ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #166 *******************************