From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #163 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, May 30 2000 Volume 03 : Number 163 Today's Subjects: ----------------- krautrock ["precision lies" ] RE: krautrock ["giluz" ] Re: The Garage? [jasonmb@calweb.com] Oi!! ELO!!! No!!!!! [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: The Garage? ["lucifersam" ] Re: Oi!! ELO!!! No!!!!! ["lucifersam" ] Re: Oi!! ELO!!! No!!!!! [Katherine P ] In defense of The Cars (Re: Oi!! ELO!!! No!!!!!) [Carl Archer ] Re: Re[2]: The Garage? [Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk] ELO and the state we were in. [Alan Gray ] Cabaret Voltaire was: In defense of The Cars (Re: Oi!! ELO!!! No!!!!!) [J] Re: Re[2]: The Garage? ["Stephen Jackson" ] Re: Oi!! ELO!!! No!!!!! ["tube disaster" ] Drifting CD [AKH ] Re: In defense of The Cars (Re: Oi!! ELO!!! No!!!!!) ["tube disaster" ] Re: Re[2]: The Garage? ["lucifersam" ] Re: Cabaret Voltaire was: In defense of The Cars (Re: Oi!! ELO!!!No!!!!!) ["tube disaster" ] Cab Voltaire - post Watson [Mark Short ] Re: Cabaret Voltaire was: In defense of The Cars (Re: Oi!! ELO!!! No!!!!!) [MarkBursa@aol.] Re: Cab Voltaire - post Watson [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: Cabaret Voltaire was: In defense of The Cars (Re: Oi!! ELO!!! No!!!!!) [Jonathan Land Subject: krautrock lucifersam wrote: >Did another one I didn't know sounded like Faust.. >Ever heard "Krautrock"?...Like that on acid....... Yes, I was at the Irving Plaza show and they reminded me a bit of Neu! during the extended, repetitive, instrumental sections. The resemblance is probably coincidental rather than an indication of a Krautrock influence. - -Mike F ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 13:27:32 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: krautrock > Yes, I was at the Irving Plaza show and they reminded me a bit of Neu! > during the extended, repetitive, instrumental sections. The > resemblance is > probably coincidental rather than an indication of a Krautrock influence. > > -Mike F > Why coincidental? I'm quite sure that there was a krautrock influence on Wire. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 04:29:49 -0700 From: jasonmb@calweb.com Subject: Re: The Garage? ><< Played a great tune that I dont know, sorta dub acid > weird noises and stuff.........>> > >It was 'Go ahead', the B-side of Map Ref.... Totally unexpected and >absolutely made my night.... Robert on funky drums, Bruce on bass, Lewis on >cheapo sampler and Colin on syndrum and vocals (from a lyric sheet). How's >that for a 'beat combo'.... I wish I could've seen that! Was Lewis playing a Casio SK-1? What kind of syndrum did Colin have? - -- Jason Borchers jasonmb@calweb.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 07:29:45 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Oi!! ELO!!! No!!!!! Has the world gone mad? ELO was the biggest load of pompous, overblown twaddle.... the only good point about the existence of dreadful bands like that was that it created the musical vacuum that was filled by punk.... Maybe if Roy Wood had stayed they might have been OK (10538 Overture is a great single) but come the glorious day Jeff Lynne and his stupid perm will be up against the wall with Phil Collins and Sting. As for the Cars, the first couple of singles were OK but you knew they were old Americans trying to jump on the noo wave bandwagon. Skinny ties and shades etc. (see also The Knack). And as for 'Drive'.... Mark (always amazed by the US take on Brit music.......) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 13:24:17 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: The Garage? Sorry mate, I cant help with the technicalities. I do wonder though, who the girlie was who got up and played guitar during the encore????????????????????????????? > ><< Played a great tune that I dont know, sorta dub acid > > weird noises and stuff.........>> > > > >It was 'Go ahead', the B-side of Map Ref.... Totally unexpected and > >absolutely made my night.... Robert on funky drums, Bruce on bass, Lewis on > >cheapo sampler and Colin on syndrum and vocals (from a lyric sheet). How's > >that for a 'beat combo'.... > > I wish I could've seen that! Was Lewis playing a Casio SK-1? What kind of > syndrum did Colin have? > > -- > Jason Borchers > jasonmb@calweb.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 13:22:47 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: Oi!! ELO!!! No!!!!! You wanna put that bottle of Holsten Pils away Mark......I might have it away...(Just to confuse our American Cousins) Has the world gone mad? > << ELO was the biggest load of pompous, overblown twaddle.... the only good > point about the existence of dreadful bands like that was that it created the > musical vacuum that was filled by punk.... > <<< I had thought the same thing myself, but maintained my silence for fear of becoming the 'opinionated new boy' on the list!!!!! > Maybe if Roy Wood had stayed they might have been OK (10538 Overture is a > great single) but come the glorious day Jeff Lynne and his stupid perm will > be up against the wall with Phil Collins and Sting. ><< As for the Cars, the first couple of singles were OK but you knew they were > old Americans trying to jump on the noo wave bandwagon. Skinny ties and > shades etc. (see also The Knack). And as for 'Drive'.... > <<< Put with some style and Panache!!! :-) > Mark (always amazed by the US take on Brit music.......)< Subject: Re: Oi!! ELO!!! No!!!!! I guess we all can't be as perfect as you. RE: ELO yo! I saw one concert over twenty years ago, have one album ----- we're not talking best F*ing band in the universe here. chill!!!!! Say what you want about the Cars. Did anyone mention Drive here???? I certainly didn't for good reason, I'll grant you that. Still, they made a huge contribution to my life with their first few albums and nothing anyone says will change that. I am probably much younger than you, and if I were your age and lived in Britain then I'd be lucky enough to have hung out during the whole punk scene thing and seen some great bands, but I wasn't. I don't lose any sleep over it, thanks very much. I'll still be going to concerts when you're convalescing in some old home somewhere! Katherine (always amazed at the Brits' take on US' anything!) on 5/30/00 7:29 AM, MarkBursa@aol.com at MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > Has the world gone mad? > > ELO was the biggest load of pompous, overblown twaddle.... the only good > point about the existence of dreadful bands like that was that it created the > musical vacuum that was filled by punk.... > > Maybe if Roy Wood had stayed they might have been OK (10538 Overture is a > great single) but come the glorious day Jeff Lynne and his stupid perm will > be up against the wall with Phil Collins and Sting. > > As for the Cars, the first couple of singles were OK but you knew they were > old Americans trying to jump on the noo wave bandwagon. Skinny ties and > shades etc. (see also The Knack). And as for 'Drive'.... > > Mark (always amazed by the US take on Brit music.......) > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 08:52:57 -0400 From: Carl Archer Subject: In defense of The Cars (Re: Oi!! ELO!!! No!!!!!) I like everything the Cars put out until Heartbeat City. "Cruiser", "Shoo Be Doo", and "Double Life" particularly. I can't say the same about ELO, although I do like a few of their songs. Honestly I don't know why people on a WIRE list are so close-minded about other music. It's a silly paradox. If you don't have anything informative or something nice to say, don't say it. On another note, I need suggestions about Cabaret Voltaire. The only work that I've ever heard is "No Name, No Slogan", which doesn't really count since it's a collaboration with Ministry. Which album should I start with? Thanks, Carl > From: Katherine P > Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 08:44:03 -0400 > To: , > Subject: Re: Oi!! ELO!!! No!!!!! > > I guess we all can't be as perfect as you. > > RE: ELO > yo! I saw one concert over twenty years ago, have one album ----- we're not > talking best F*ing band in the universe here. chill!!!!! > > Say what you want about the Cars. Did anyone mention Drive here???? I > certainly didn't for good reason, I'll grant you that. Still, they made a > huge contribution to my life with their first few albums and nothing anyone > says will change that. I am probably much younger than you, and if I were > your age and lived in Britain then I'd be lucky enough to have hung out > during the whole punk scene thing and seen some great bands, but I wasn't. > I don't lose any sleep over it, thanks very much. I'll still be going to > concerts when you're convalescing in some old home somewhere! > > Katherine (always amazed at the Brits' take on US' anything!) > > > on 5/30/00 7:29 AM, MarkBursa@aol.com at MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > >> Has the world gone mad? >> >> ELO was the biggest load of pompous, overblown twaddle.... the only good >> point about the existence of dreadful bands like that was that it created the >> musical vacuum that was filled by punk.... >> >> Maybe if Roy Wood had stayed they might have been OK (10538 Overture is a >> great single) but come the glorious day Jeff Lynne and his stupid perm will >> be up against the wall with Phil Collins and Sting. >> >> As for the Cars, the first couple of singles were OK but you knew they were >> old Americans trying to jump on the noo wave bandwagon. Skinny ties and >> shades etc. (see also The Knack). And as for 'Drive'.... >> >> Mark (always amazed by the US take on Brit music.......) >> > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 15:16:14 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: The Garage? susan stenger of the band of susans/big bottom/gilbertposstenger fame.but who was the guy who joined in on lowdown on sunday? p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: The Garage? Author: MIME:lucifersam@supanet.com at INTERNET Date: 30/05/2000 14:37 Sorry mate, I cant help with the technicalities. I do wonder though, who the girlie was who got up and played guitar during the encore????????????????????????????? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 08:21:51 -0500 From: "MackDaddyD" Subject: Re: Silo Giluz, I quite agree with your nice comments 'bout Silo. I am quite dissappointed in my self for missing them here in Chicago - 2 nites in a row in a smoky nightclub was more than i could face at my advanced age ;) Instar is my favorite ~swim release and the new items on swimTeam as well. I describe the album as "what tortoise would sound like if they were good" As to the krautrock thing - you probably have a poi9nt there, but the technology definately has an influence , and technology has advanced (a tad) since the 70s. d Different subject: I just bought Silo's Instar (produced by Colin) and I'm quite enthusiastic. Anyone familliar with the Swim Team CD probably knows Templates and Bulk - well, it's sort of the same, only more rhythmically complicated (they love using copmplex rhythms like 5/8, 15/16, etc.), very monotonous, but in a hypnotic way. Which brings me back to the subject of Post Rock: I mean, I know it's just this labelling shit, but what's the real difference between this kind of music and pre-electronic stuff which was also repetitive and hypnotic, like the krautrock bands of the 70's, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 14:27:04 +0100 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: Re: Re[2]: The Garage? What happened to the encore on Sunday? Again I missed "Drill". Was it the same set list as Fri & Sat? It was a totally different experience to the RFH. And I did manage to shake Colin's hand. Chris. paul.rabjohn@ssab.com on 30/05/2000 15:16:14 To: jasonmb@calweb.com, idealcopy@smoe.org, lucifersam@supanet.com cc: (bcc: Chris Ray/Finance/MEDAS) Subject: Re[2]: The Garage? susan stenger of the band of susans/big bottom/gilbertposstenger fame.but who was the guy who joined in on lowdown on sunday? p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: The Garage? Author: MIME:lucifersam@supanet.com at INTERNET Date: 30/05/2000 14:37 Sorry mate, I cant help with the technicalities. I do wonder though, who the girlie was who got up and played guitar during the encore????????????????????????????? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 14:27:52 +-100 From: Alan Gray Subject: ELO and the state we were in. This ELO stuff. ELO were to me, a dire commercial effort. I am often embarrased by my musical past which formed in the early seventies when at school. I was into a lot of stuff which is still requarded as OK, from Zep' purp' floyd' hawkwind and other biker metabolist stuff to Faust Fripp tangerine dream right through gentle giant to horror of horrors for some, Yes. The thing was there were play lists on Radio 1 which seemed to rule out anything that was any good being played. I don't know what it was like in USA but we had almost nothing but rubbish on the radio played by smarmy odious creeps. A lot of this stuff was what I call (American) Maple Syrup music. The Alan Freeman spot at the weekend was about the only time I could actually hear some music I liked being played on the radio. Pub jukebox music was also 99.999% unplayable, and ELO were on every single one. There was a chance that a single (perhaps Bowie or Roxy Music) would creep into the charts though the odious dj's would hardly ever play it. There were other bands that had rock leanings ELO, and QUO which were the playlist concessions to those with less commercial taste.(some concession) The radio playlist was designed as somnabulance for the workplace and QUO and ELO were variants but thats all they were. If you appreciated ELO then I reckon that you were cluching at straws. It was awfull, what we had to endure on the radio and people who are not as ancient (41) as me are unaware of that. Thats the kindest thing I can say about ELO, and as for the Cars, they were about as interesting as Austin Allegros. Alan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 09:09:58 -0400 From: Jonathan Land Subject: Cabaret Voltaire was: In defense of The Cars (Re: Oi!! ELO!!! No!!!!!) >I like everything the Cars put out until Heartbeat City. "Cruiser", "Shoo >Be Doo", and "Double Life" particularly. I can't say the same about ELO, >although I do like a few of their songs. > >Honestly I don't know why people on a WIRE list are so close-minded about >other music. It's a silly paradox. If you don't have anything informative >or something nice to say, don't say it. > >On another note, I need suggestions about Cabaret Voltaire. The only work >that I've ever heard is "No Name, No Slogan", which doesn't really count >since it's a collaboration with Ministry. Which album should I start with? Red Mecca or Voice of America are pretty good intros to the Chris Watson-era industrial/experimental years. Microphonies and The Crackdown are the pretty good post-Watson recordings. Almost everything after that is slightly adventurous and entertaining, but close-to-run-of-the-mill dance music. Jon - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- http://incomplete.net If it's not here, it's incomplete! jland@incomplete.net Guinea Pig cam available (sometimes) at http://incomplete.net/espicam.html - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 14:40:42 +0100 From: "Stephen Jackson" Subject: Re: Re[2]: The Garage? >susan stenger of the band of susans/big bottom/gilbertposstenger fame.but who was the guy who joined in on lowdown on sunday? p Steve Wright is Wire's soundman. He was also in a band in the 80's called the "Mute Drivers" who released a fantastic single called "Boom town" Steve. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I'll leave graffiti where you've never been kissed. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 07:46:22 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: Oi!! ELO!!! No!!!!! Except that in early '77, when the Cars formed, there was no "noo wave bandwagon" to jump onto, skinny ties & shades or no. Not that you should let pesky facts deflate your pomposity, of course. Dan > >As for the Cars, the first couple of singles were OK but you knew they were >old Americans trying to jump on the noo wave bandwagon. Skinny ties and >shades etc. (see also The Knack). And as for 'Drive'.... > >Mark (always amazed by the US take on Brit music.......) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 06:58:07 -0700 From: AKH Subject: Drifting CD I have a CD for sale from the 2nd Annual Festival of Drifting. It is one 40 minute mix by Robin Gutherie containing tracks / excerpts from Silo, Sonic Youth, Chris & Cosey, Casper Brotzman, La Bradford etc. I'm asking £25 for this classic collectible. Email me privately. AKH. ______________________________________________________ Get your free web-based email at http://www.xoom.com Birthday? Anniversary? Send FREE animated greeting cards for any occasion at http://greetings.xoom.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 07:59:20 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: In defense of The Cars (Re: Oi!! ELO!!! No!!!!!) >I like everything the Cars put out until Heartbeat City. "Cruiser", "Shoo >Be Doo", and "Double Life" particularly. I can't say the same about ELO, >although I do like a few of their songs. > >Honestly I don't know why people on a WIRE list are so close-minded about >other music. It's a silly paradox. If you don't have anything informative >or something nice to say, don't say it. Just childhood prejudices coming to the fore, I'd say. From glancing at other posts, I gather that certain people here listened to the likes of Led Zep & Pink Floyd & Yes as kids ... insert those bands' names for ELO & Cars in some of these little diatribes, & I'd probably strain my neck nodding in agreement. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 09:07:55 -0500 From: "Ciscon, Ray" Subject: RE: Fwd: Re: LuciferSam.....Old Bloke..... Laurel and I had this conversation at the Gingerman before the Chicago show... I remember seeing advertising for Foghat playing at two separate venues in Chicago on the same date and time... If I remember correctly, one Foghat had the original drummer, and the other Foghat had the original bass player. Ah the joys of washed up heavy metal bands touring neighborhood bars... Ray (who doesn't like ANY version of Foghat) Ciscon Remote Office LAN/WAN Support Manager Comark, Inc. In order to provide the best level of support, please contact: The I.S. Support Center at extension 4357 ** Every support call should begin with a call to the I. S. Support Center. ** -----Original Message----- From: Laurel G [mailto:hatsephsut@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 1:12 PM To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: LuciferSam.....Old Bloke..... >Styx and Kansas was among them) but I also bought three singles >Mats Styx - saw Styx in a high school gymnasium before they were "big guys" - the question I have is how do you feel about them now? I reserve judgement pending your answer :-) Laurel *still debating Foghat hehe ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 10:19:16 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Oi!! ELO!!! No!!!!! Dan, << Except that in early '77, when the Cars formed, there was no "noo wave bandwagon" to jump onto, skinny ties & shades or no. Not that you should let pesky facts deflate your pomposity, of course. >> Steady on....no pomposity intended, just an observation. We didn't get the Cars until a lot later than early '77, and Radio 1 latched onto them as they were sort of 'safe new wave' - not punk but hey, we're up with the kids..... The first couple of singles were fine if a bit formulaic (though in the UK they were heavily pushed as 'the first picture discs' - which must have been the biggest limited edition in the world as they were absolutely everywhere). A bit later they started knocking out bland slush like Drive. At which point what little interest I had in them evaporated. That's all. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 10:25:53 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Cabaret Voltaire was: In defense of The Cars (Re: Oi!! ELO!!! No!!!!!) Jon, << >Honestly I don't know why people on a WIRE list are so close-minded about >other music. It's a silly paradox. If you don't have anything informative >or something nice to say, don't say it. > >> I'd hardly describe myself as closed-minded about music. I have several thousand albums covering a very broad spectrum.... But ELO just brought the horror of the mid-'70s flooding back....I couldn't help it!!! ;-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 10:30:35 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Oi!! ELO!!! No!!!!! Katherine, Crikey! Being vilified for dissing ELO is quite an achievement! I am far from perfect but entirely chilled. But Jeff Lynne's perm gives me nightmares. And if you saw ELO more than 20 years ago you can't be that far behind me in age terms.....I'll reserve the rocking chair next to mine in the old folks home for you if you like ;-) << I guess we all can't be as perfect as you. RE: ELO yo! I saw one concert over twenty years ago, have one album ----- we're not talking best F*ing band in the universe here. chill!!!!! Say what you want about the Cars. Did anyone mention Drive here???? I certainly didn't for good reason, I'll grant you that. Still, they made a huge contribution to my life with their first few albums and nothing anyone says will change that. I am probably much younger than you, and if I were your age and lived in Britain then I'd be lucky enough to have hung out during the whole punk scene thing and seen some great bands, but I wasn't. I don't lose any sleep over it, thanks very much. I'll still be going to concerts when you're convalescing in some old home somewhere! Katherine (always amazed at the Brits' take on US' anything!) >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 10:35:58 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: The Garage? Jason, << I wish I could've seen that! Was Lewis playing a Casio SK-1? What kind of syndrum did Colin have? >> Couldn't see. I think it probably was - it was a very small keyboard (fitted on top of a small amp) and it was blue. Played little samples. The syndrum looked like a big effects pedal with four knobs on it. Colin held it in one hand and whacked it with a drumstick, then twiddled the knobs to get different noises. Check out the D&E version of Go Ahead for the sort of effect. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 10:39:32 -0400 From: Jonathan Land Subject: Re: Cabaret Voltaire was: In defense of The Cars (Re: Oi!! ELO!!! No!!!!!) Hey there, Bucky, you're quoting the quoting the wrong guy. Hell, I'm an Abba fan. I have that Rhino Records Disco Box as well. I'm a patsy taking the bullet for the 70's as well. Jon >Jon, > ><< >Honestly I don't know why people on a WIRE list are so close-minded about > >other music. It's a silly paradox. If you don't have anything informative > >or something nice to say, don't say it. > > >> > >I'd hardly describe myself as closed-minded about music. I have several >thousand albums covering a very broad spectrum.... > >But ELO just brought the horror of the mid-'70s flooding back....I couldn't >help it!!! - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- http://incomplete.net If it's not here, it's incomplete! jland@incomplete.net Guinea Pig cam available (sometimes) at http://incomplete.net/espicam.html - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 08:41:09 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: Cabaret Voltaire was: In defense of The Cars (Re: Oi!! ELO!!!No!!!!!) - -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Land To: idealcopy@smoe.org Date: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 6:34 AM Subject: Cabaret Voltaire was: In defense of The Cars (Re: Oi!! ELO!!!No!!!!!) >>I like everything the Cars put out until Heartbeat City. "Cruiser", "Shoo >>Be Doo", and "Double Life" particularly. I can't say the same about ELO, >>although I do like a few of their songs. >> >>Honestly I don't know why people on a WIRE list are so close-minded about >>other music. It's a silly paradox. If you don't have anything informative >>or something nice to say, don't say it. >> >>On another note, I need suggestions about Cabaret Voltaire. The only work >>that I've ever heard is "No Name, No Slogan", which doesn't really count >>since it's a collaboration with Ministry. Which album should I start with? > > Red Mecca or Voice of America are pretty good intros to the >Chris Watson-era industrial/experimental years. I'd put Mix-Up in that category as well ... Capsule & the cover of No Escape are about as instantly accessible as anything they were doing back then (that I'm familiar with, anyway). The singles collection Living Legends is a must-have, too -- geez, did Nag Nag Nag blow me *away* when I first encountered it on the Wanna Buy a Bridge comp back in '80. Dan Microphonies and The >Crackdown are the pretty good post-Watson recordings. Almost >everything after that is slightly adventurous and entertaining, but >close-to-run-of-the-mill dance music. > > Jon >-- > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >http://incomplete.net >If it's not here, it's incomplete! >jland@incomplete.net > >Guinea Pig cam available (sometimes) at >http://incomplete.net/espicam.html >----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 15:35:30 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: Oi!! ELO!!! No!!!!! Blimey................ - ----- Original Message ----- From: Katherine P To: ; Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 1:44 PM Subject: Re: Oi!! ELO!!! No!!!!! > I guess we all can't be as perfect as you. > > RE: ELO > yo! I saw one concert over twenty years ago, have one album ----- we're not > talking best F*ing band in the universe here. chill!!!!! > > Say what you want about the Cars. Did anyone mention Drive here???? I > certainly didn't for good reason, I'll grant you that. Still, they made a > huge contribution to my life with their first few albums and nothing anyone > says will change that. I am probably much younger than you, and if I were > your age and lived in Britain then I'd be lucky enough to have hung out > during the whole punk scene thing and seen some great bands, but I wasn't. > I don't lose any sleep over it, thanks very much. I'll still be going to > concerts when you're convalescing in some old home somewhere! > > Katherine (always amazed at the Brits' take on US' anything!) > > > on 5/30/00 7:29 AM, MarkBursa@aol.com at MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > > > Has the world gone mad? > > > > ELO was the biggest load of pompous, overblown twaddle.... the only good > > point about the existence of dreadful bands like that was that it created the > > musical vacuum that was filled by punk.... > > > > Maybe if Roy Wood had stayed they might have been OK (10538 Overture is a > > great single) but come the glorious day Jeff Lynne and his stupid perm will > > be up against the wall with Phil Collins and Sting. > > > > As for the Cars, the first couple of singles were OK but you knew they were > > old Americans trying to jump on the noo wave bandwagon. Skinny ties and > > shades etc. (see also The Knack). And as for 'Drive'.... > > > > Mark (always amazed by the US take on Brit music.......) > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 15:44:17 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: Re[2]: The Garage? It's a case for Sculley and Mulder........ - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 3:16 PM Subject: Re[2]: The Garage? susan stenger of the band of susans/big bottom/gilbertposstenger fame.but who was the guy who joined in on lowdown on sunday? p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: The Garage? Author: MIME:lucifersam@supanet.com at INTERNET Date: 30/05/2000 14:37 Sorry mate, I cant help with the technicalities. I do wonder though, who the girlie was who got up and played guitar during the encore????????????????????????????? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 08:53:46 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: Cabaret Voltaire was: In defense of The Cars (Re: Oi!! ELO!!!No!!!!!) Mother of god, just now while driving to the mechanic's to tell them why I'd left my poor, barely running '88 Dodge Colt on their parking lot last night, in light of this quarrel over '70s stuff I found myself ruminating on my own occasional fondness for disco ... I think it was the mix tape I was listening to (the fact that this rental car has a functioning cassette player is quite a novelty for me, since the Colt's stopped working in 9/90), since along with Fascist Groove Thing, Seconds, She's Lost Control & Lined Up I included the likes of Right Back Where We Started From (which I've always liked, even back in the late '70s when I was required by stereotype to hate disco) & Last Night a DJ Saved My Life (which I gather has been redone within the last couple of years ... I seriously doubt that I want to hear that). Anyway, as I noted earlier, I think we're talking mainly about youthful prejudices coming into play ... as when I found myself in full, frothing glory Saturday night after a page designer, reacting to my diatribe against a band playing the local festival the next day (Ratdog, some vile offshoot of the Grateful Dead [but I repeated myself]), innocently wondered whether I liked early '70s SoCal stuff like Poco & the Eagles ... I *think* he still has a head. Dan > Hey there, Bucky, you're quoting the quoting the wrong guy. >Hell, I'm an Abba fan. I have that Rhino Records Disco Box as well. >I'm a patsy taking the bullet for the 70's as well. > > Jon > >>Jon, >> >><< >Honestly I don't know why people on a WIRE list are so close-minded about >> >other music. It's a silly paradox. If you don't have anything informative >> >or something nice to say, don't say it. >> > >> >> >>I'd hardly describe myself as closed-minded about music. I have several >>thousand albums covering a very broad spectrum.... >> >>But ELO just brought the horror of the mid-'70s flooding back....I couldn't >>help it!!! > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 08:56:12 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: Re[2]: The Garage? Which all of a sudden reminds me (Catatonia being Welsh, too) that I haven't seen that copy of the Super Furry Animals' Guerilla since I bought it used last Wednesday ... must be in my car, at the garage. Oh, well, small loss, probably. Dan >It's a case for Sculley and Mulder........ >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: ; ; >Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 3:16 PM >Subject: Re[2]: The Garage? > > >susan stenger of the band of susans/big bottom/gilbertposstenger fame.but >who was the guy who joined in on lowdown on sunday? p > > >______________________________ Reply Separator >_________________________________ >Subject: Re: The Garage? >Author: MIME:lucifersam@supanet.com at INTERNET >Date: 30/05/2000 14:37 > > >Sorry mate, I cant help with the technicalities. I do wonder though, who >the girlie was who got up and played guitar during the >encore????????????????????????????? > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 16:19:29 +0100 From: Mark Short Subject: Cab Voltaire - post Watson >Microphonies and The >Crackdown are the pretty good post-Watson recordings. Almost >everything after that is slightly adventurous and entertaining, but >close-to-run-of-the-mill dance music. The stuff they did for Crepuscule and their own label (its name escapes me) in the early 90's has a sinister edge to it. Then the other bloke left, leaving Richard H Kirk on his tod, at which point I lost interest. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 11:29:18 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Cabaret Voltaire was: In defense of The Cars (Re: Oi!! ELO!!! No!!!!!) Jon, Sorry mate! Just as long as there's no 'Diray of Horace Wimp' lurking in there. Or else the ELO police will be round.... Mark << Hey there, Bucky, you're quoting the quoting the wrong guy. Hell, I'm an Abba fan. I have that Rhino Records Disco Box as well. I'm a patsy taking the bullet for the 70's as well. >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 11:41:32 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Cab Voltaire - post Watson Mark, Your interest lasted longer than mine. I gave up about 1986. It was as if as they got better technology, the music became less interesting. I liked them when everybody dubbed them a 'synth band' but they didn't use synths at all - treated guitar, bass, tapes and a Vox Continental. They were great live when they started using a drummer (about the time Watson left - 1981/82). 2x45 dates from that time and is another good 'un. It's difficult to fault the Cabs from 'Nag Nag Nag' (fantastic single) through to 'Crackdown'. There are two great compilations - one of the singles, another of all the obscure tracks they did, both of which are essential. If pushed, I'd say Red Mecca was my favourite Cabs album, though the rest of the early stuff is all good... Phew, back to talking about proper bands again!! Mark ;-) >>Microphonies and The Crackdown are the pretty good post-Watson recordings. Almosteverything after that is slightly adventurous and entertaining, but close-to-run-of-the-mill dance music. The stuff they did for Crepuscule and their own label (its name escapes me) in the early 90's has a sinister edge to it. Then the other bloke left, leaving Richard H Kirk on his tod, at which point I lost interest.<< ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 11:44:20 -0400 From: Jonathan Land Subject: Re: Cabaret Voltaire was: In defense of The Cars (Re: Oi!! ELO!!! No!!!!!) >Jon, > >Sorry mate! Just as long as there's no 'Diray of Horace Wimp' lurking in >there. Or else the ELO police will be round.... As long as they don't find out about our mutual love for the Backstreet Boys, we're safe. Now THAT's synthpop! Wooops, cat's out of the bag now, Jon - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- http://incomplete.net If it's not here, it's incomplete! jland@incomplete.net Guinea Pig cam available (sometimes) at http://incomplete.net/espicam.html - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 11:50:32 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Cabaret Voltaire was: In defense of The Cars (Re: Oi!! ELO!!!No!!!!!) Dan, Well, when prog rock strode the earth like a long-haired and rather smelly colossus in the '70s I became soemthing of a closet soul boy - turned to stuff like things on the Philadelphia label, george McCrae, even big fat Bazza White. Great, slick pop records that didn't outstay their welcome. School friends who had been into Bowie/Roxy/Mott etc suddenly started listening to Rick Wakeman albums... Misery until punk came and saved the day. Last Night a DJ Saved My Life is a great record too.... Mark << Mother of god, just now while driving to the mechanic's to tell them why I'd left my poor, barely running '88 Dodge Colt on their parking lot last night, in light of this quarrel over '70s stuff I found myself ruminating on my own occasional fondness for disco ... I think it was the mix tape I was listening to (the fact that this rental car has a functioning cassette player is quite a novelty for me, since the Colt's stopped working in 9/90), since along with Fascist Groove Thing, Seconds, She's Lost Control & Lined Up I included the likes of Right Back Where We Started From (which I've always liked, even back in the late '70s when I was required by stereotype to hate disco) & Last Night a DJ Saved My Life (which I gather has been redone within the last couple of years ... I seriously doubt that I want to hear that). Anyway, as I noted earlier, I think we're talking mainly about youthful prejudices coming into play ... as when I found myself in full, frothing glory Saturday night after a page designer, reacting to my diatribe against a band playing the local festival the next day (Ratdog, some vile offshoot of the Grateful Dead [but I repeated myself]), innocently wondered whether I liked early '70s SoCal stuff like Poco & the Eagles ... I *think* he still has a head. >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 11:53:30 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Cabaret Voltaire was: In defense of The Cars (Re: Oi!! ELO!!! No!!!!!) Jon, << As long as they don't find out about our mutual love for the Backstreet Boys, we're safe. Now THAT's synthpop! >> Now which one is the Backstreet Boys......???? I thought my generation had it bad with the Osmonds and the Bay City Rollers... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 11:57:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Subject: Re: Cabaret Voltaire was: In defense of The Cars (Re: Oi!! ELO!!! No!!!!!) On Tue, 30 May 2000, Jonathan Land wrote: > >Jon, > > > >Sorry mate! Just as long as there's no 'Diray of Horace Wimp' lurking in > >there. Or else the ELO police will be round.... > > As long as they don't find out about our mutual love for the > Backstreet Boys, we're safe. Now THAT's synthpop! > > Wooops, cat's out of the bag now, I have a terrible confession to make: I'm secretly Ricky Martin. Furthermore, my entire record collection consists of, in reverse chronological order, Britney Spears, some of my own work, the Spice Girls, Tiffany, Debbie Gibson, LaToya Jackson, the Partridge Family, and the Monkees. I'm sorry, so sorry, about this whole artrock fiasco. I'm just a faker. - -Little Ricky ___ ___ http://www.swingpad.com (Digital Art and Artisanship) - --- --- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 12:02:01 -0400 From: Jonathan Land Subject: Re: Cabaret Voltaire was: In defense of The Cars (Re: Oi!! ELO!!! No!!!!!) At 11:53 AM -0400 5/30/00, MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: >Jon, > ><< As long as they don't find out about our mutual love for the > Backstreet Boys, we're safe. Now THAT's synthpop! >> > >Now which one is the Backstreet Boys......???? > >I thought my generation had it bad with the Osmonds and the Bay City >Rollers... > >Mark You ain't seen nothin' yet. From what I've heard of their music, the Backstreet Boys make the Bay City Rollers look like they can be taken seriously. Jon - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- http://incomplete.net If it's not here, it's incomplete! jland@incomplete.net Guinea Pig cam available (sometimes) at http://incomplete.net/espicam.html - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #163 *******************************