From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #157 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, May 25 2000 Volume 03 : Number 157 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Steve Albini ["giluz" ] RE: Bowie Highs......Lest we Forget... ["giluz" ] Re[2]: wire and steve albini.... [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re: Albini/Wire [OptionsR@aol.com] Re: OT:Grammar Cops ["Syarzhuk Kazachenka" ] RE: Re[2]: idealcopy-digest V3 #154 ; david we love you ! ["giluz" ] Re: Re[2]: idealcopy-digest V3 #154 ; david we love you ! ["lucifersam" <] Re: Re[2]: wire and steve albini.... ["lucifersam" ] Re: Bowie Highs......Lest we Forget... ["lucifersam" ] Re: Bowie Highs......Lest we Forget... ["lucifersam" ] Re: compartmentalism [Alan_Platten@ipc.co.uk] Albinis heartbeat ["andy and sheri wiseman" ] Re: Albinis heartbeat [Paul Pietromonaco ] re: re: Old Bloke..... [Jack Steinmann ] Re: re: Old Bloke..... ["lucifersam" ] Re: Bowie Highs......Lest we Forget... ["lucifersam" ] Syd Barrett Chat List ["lucifersam" ] Re: '80s Bowie all bad ? [obie ] Top Story: Kid Rock Starves to Death ["lucifersam" ] FZ ["giluz" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:50:20 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: Steve Albini According to the interview in CheckOut, Steve Albini is working with Wire on their live material from the recent tour, so studio recording might not be involved in the project. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 11:45:02 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: Bowie Highs......Lest we Forget... 1.Outside...Eno's back and so is the man.The great art > LP of that year. Nathan Adler is on the case. No one, I mean NO > ONE got near this...Oasis? dont make laugh...This is one of > Bowies best 5 LP's........"Thursdays Child"...he's done it > again.. > I wonder what the likes of Stipe, Gallagher and all those other > pretenders will be churning out at 53....... > I really liked outside when it was released, I thought it was Bowie's back to form album. I still thought that Nathan Adler concept was crap but I didn't care. However, recently I tried to listen to it again, and found it sort of BORING. And comparing it to Oasis is so irrelevant - as far as I'm concerned it's no better than comparing it to the Spice Girls. Of course it's better than Oasis - Oasis are crap. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 10:36:01 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: wire and steve albini.... Also, can anybody tell me anything about CN1 >>>>> 6-track cd given away with the first pressings of the not to/singing fish cd. 2 of the tracks are the single "we means we starts/not to" , plus 4 otherwise unavailable songs. one of which is a track from "singing fish" with lyrics added. worth getting. The PJ Harvey album he was involved in sounds pretty ropey. >>>>>>> i'm a big pj fan and i must admit that album rarely gets a play. not that its bad , its just so raw and uneasy listening. also very samey as stevey baby doesn't think much of shades of grey but tends to go for the extremes at all times. which can be tiring. the rapeman gig at manchester got cancelled due to a politically correct student union taking offence to the band name. now i'm normally very anti-censorship but i think rapeman is not exactly a great name choice and probably got the stick it deserved. i guess if he wanted "outrage" then he got some , but he didn't seem to persevere with the name for long....... final word on bowie. nobody is knocking the 70's albums so eulogise away , agreed in full. but IMO those 90's albums are lame in the extreme and surely we can all find way better than that to listen to. if you want an album of 90's electronica there's so much great stuff been made ; is "1.outside" really the best on offer? c'mon..... to me some of what's being said seems almost to be that if a guy made a great album in the 70's we have to leave him on his pedestal forever. i mean revolver was great , but i sure ain't gonna buy that last mccartney album.p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 05:02:21 EDT From: OptionsR@aol.com Subject: Re: Albini/Wire Hearing about this pairing led me to dig up an old copy (well, there's hardly any other kind, is there?) of FORCED EXPOSURE. Here's how Robert Nedelkoff capped off his review of "ABIAC": "So, from now on, remember this: A new Wire album is a piece of shit until (and unless) Steve Albini's name appears on it...and I don't just mean the "Thanks to..." section, either." This was written in 1988, and neither Wire nor Albini are the same now as they were then, so who knows how this pairing will turn out. The Saints AND Wire? On the same bill? In 1977?!? If anyone happens to invent a time machine, please let me know. I'd like to borrow it. Everything's fine, carry on... Just some guy named Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 07:01:48 EDT From: "Syarzhuk Kazachenka" Subject: Re: OT:Grammar Cops My favorite is the one a lot of advertisers use: "Being a great customer like you, we offer you this great sale" I even got a letter like that from Microsoft once! Syarzhuk Be healthy, stay wealthy... Visit Belarusan Music Source - http://belmusic.hypermart.net ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 11:26:18 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: Re[2]: idealcopy-digest V3 #154 ; david we love you ! > > 3. 1977 quote (from tax exile, I believe) - 'Fascism would do Britain > good'. Fuckwit. > > > This was one of his more stupid quotes. It was in '76' during > Station to Station...and far too many nights on the Charlie. > A strange drug that..... Which drug was that? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 11:25:24 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: '80s Bowie all bad ? PUUUGHHHH!!! This is the worst of the worst - I hate Pat Metheny - Someone convinced me to go to see him performing sometime in the 80's and I literally slept through it. Everything sounds so soft, nice and kinda musically progressive in a very jazz-fusion way. I'd even prefer Tin Machine (and I think Tin Machine was Bowie's second 80's worst) to this song. giluz > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On > Behalf Of sean bowen > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 10:47 PM > To: ideal copy > Subject: '80s Bowie all bad ? > > > I liked 'This is not America' with Pat Metheny band. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 13:47:13 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: Re[2]: idealcopy-digest V3 #154 ; david we love you ! Um...Cocaine........ - ----- Original Message ----- From: giluz To: IdealCopy Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 10:26 AM Subject: RE: Re[2]: idealcopy-digest V3 #154 ; david we love you ! > > > 3. 1977 quote (from tax exile, I believe) - 'Fascism would do Britain > > good'. Fuckwit. > > > > > This was one of his more stupid quotes. It was in '76' during > > Station to Station...and far too many nights on the Charlie. > > A strange drug that..... > > Which drug was that? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 13:44:28 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: Re[2]: wire and steve albini.... > I dont dissagree about the 70's pedestal thing at all. But I beleive credit where credit is due. If your talking 'Electronica' then take into account the chemical brothers 1st 2 LP's, or Orbital, Underworld (Romfords finest!), Leftfield, Add N to X, etc... Fine. Dance music has been the most creative music of the last decades.To me, "Timeless" by Goldie is the Sgt'Peppers' of the 1990's. I just see a lot of people slagging Bowies recent work and in the same breath ulogise retro nonsense like 'Shack', 'Richard Ashcroft'...'Sonic Fuckin' Youth' for christs sake!!!! eeeekkkkkkk.......Sorry, I've finished now.... Le Cat Siamese.... > final word on bowie. nobody is knocking the 70's albums so eulogise away , agreed in full. but IMO those 90's albums are lame in the extreme and surely we can all find way better than that to listen to. if you want an album of 90's electronica there's so much great stuff been made ; is "1.outside" really the best on offer? c'mon..... to me some of what's being said seems almost to be that if a guy made a great album in the 70's we have to leave him on his pedestal forever. i mean revolver was great , but i sure ain't gonna buy that last mccartney album.p > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 13:56:11 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: LuciferSam.....Old Bloke..... > Just how old ARE you? *L > Sadly I'm 40 ! I'll be 41 in about 2 weeks....eekkkk I live in east London and shall be at the Garage on Saturday. To be honest, i never normally go to gigs of bands from 'the old days', I dont like to look back too much. But i just thought 'Wire' would be fun, and they have always been more forward looking than most of the groups for those days. I do a lot of un-punk stuff too(LOL), I have an 11 year old daughter to run around after!!!! As for the Mancunian in your life. Is he United or City man?????????? Le Cat Siamese... > Nah - there's a couple of old geezers around - I'm 41, will be 42 in July - > Dan (tube disaster) is a year younger than me - don't know about the others > yet > > Thanks for the compliment BTW - I saw your intro, I've just got on the list > myself this month > > You are obviously UK based, or were as a youngster? I'm Chicago, except for > a few brief stints elsewhere, pretty much always have been - engaged to a > Mancunian however > > Got to run - I've also got kids - have to go do some very unpunk things - > take care > > Laurel > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 13:29:44 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: Bowie Highs......Lest we Forget... I think the point I was making was that, for all the slagging Bowie gets these days, look at the big names now and indeed the not so big names who sneer with superiority. When it really comes down to it, there is nothing or anyone bettering that record (1.Outside). Boys with guitars tend to bore me anyway. For the last 15 years I've listened more to 'Dance' music (mind you, try dancing to the Orb at there most monged out!). It could have been anyone I mentioned. At the time of "1.Outside", Status Quoasis were lauded as the saviours of Rock'n'Roll, when all they were turning out was tugid retro rock. I couldn't believe that things like "Cigarettes and Alchohol" were praised to the hilt, when Bowie was coming out with something as original and inventive as "1.Outside" The Siam Cat > 1.Outside...Eno's back and so is the man.The great art > > LP of that year. Nathan Adler is on the case. No one, I mean NO > > ONE got near this...Oasis? dont make laugh...This is one of > > Bowies best 5 LP's........"Thursdays Child"...he's done it > > again.. > > I wonder what the likes of Stipe, Gallagher and all those other > > pretenders will be churning out at 53....... > > > > I really liked outside when it was released, I thought it was Bowie's back > to form album. I still thought that Nathan Adler concept was crap but I > didn't care. However, recently I tried to listen to it again, and found it > sort of BORING. And comparing it to Oasis is so irrelevant - as far as I'm > concerned it's no better than comparing it to the Spice Girls. Of course > it's better than Oasis - Oasis are crap. > > giluz > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 14:27:47 +-100 From: Alan Gray Subject: compartmentalism MackDaddyD ; "i generally appreciate politics from musicians about as much as music from politicians" It sounds funny at first, so much for expressionism then. Would n't it be great if we could actually compartmentalise our philosophy in this way? NO. And imagine if musicians had always done the same. The history of music would bear no relation to national or world events. The bods who stuck the newsreel footage on music prog's like the rock'n'roll years would have been otherwise employed and we could all have CD collections of apolitical ballads. "I thought that Chris De Burgh was overstepping the mark with 'the lady in red' Alan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 14:34:23 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: Bowie Highs......Lest we Forget... << I wonder what the likes of Stipe, Gallagher and all those other > pretenders will be churning out at 53....... >> > > In nearly 20 years of pretty constant recording activity, R.E.M. has never > made an album which has been less than pretty damn good. < 53....though then again.....There's no lack of talent there, but the last two > albums have been pompous, plodding old bollocks. Jury's out. > < As for Dave - well I'm with the majority view I'm afraid. Draw a line after > Low, in terms of artisitic merit. No problem with the '80s pop moments > (Ashes, Let's Dance etc) but he left his creative talent on a mirror in > Berlin. The '90s stuff (like Little Wonder) just seem desperate.... << Sadly, I would say that the majority view of 'most' of his 90's work comes from a stand point of never having heard it! TSC. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 11:09:57 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: LuciferSam.....Old Bloke..... TSC, Phew, good to know there are a few older than me here - I'm 39...don't hit the big 4 till October.... Mark << Just how old ARE you? *L > Sadly I'm 40 ! I'll be 41 in about 2 weeks....eekkkk I live in east London and shall be at the Garage on Saturday. To be honest, i never normally go to gigs of bands from 'the old days', I dont like to look back too much. But i just thought 'Wire' would be fun, and they have always been more forward looking than most of the groups for those days. I do a lot of un-punk stuff too(LOL), I have an 11 year old daughter to run around after!!!! As for the Mancunian in your life. Is he United or City man?????????? Le Cat Siamese... > Nah - there's a couple of old geezers around - I'm 41, will be 42 in July - > Dan (tube disaster) is a year younger than me - don't know about the others > yet >> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 11:32:44 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Bowie Highs......Lest we Forget... TSC, I guess from a similar starting point we've come to quite different conclusions.....I guess I'm still a sucker for boys'n'guitars...so there's plenty of room for 'Trad Rock' in my world - though there are definite value calls to be made - eg Shack = national treasure; Ashcroft = pomp-rock pants. And the 'trad rock beat combo' format can still throw up startling albums - eg Cotton Mather's Kon-Tiki, Wheat's Hope & Adams, or the Auteurs' After Murder Park... As for Dance music, I find the whole culture overbearing....there was a fundamental shift (not surprisingly, during the Thatcher years) when "the kids" stopped thinking, and rebelling, and just "wanted to dance", as release/escape from the grind... So rave culture emerged and quickly became the domain of the promoters/drug barons/"superstar DJs". As for Underworld/Fatboy etc, well, it's interesting/irritating in equal measure. Not records I dislike, but not records I love. Actually prefer the Prodigy - at least they looked good and managed to ingrain themselves into the national psyche....None of it is as good as Cabaret Voltaire to these ears, despite "advances" in technology. And I'll take a lot of convincing that wholesale sampling of records is anything but a very bad thing (see my earlier posts on Death in Vegas). I'm starting to sound like an old reactionary.... Mark << I think the point I was making was that, for all the slagging Bowie gets these days, look at the big names now and indeed the not so big names who sneer with superiority. When it really comes down to it, there is nothing or anyone bettering that record (1.Outside). Boys with guitars tend to bore me anyway. For the last 15 years I've listened more to 'Dance' music (mind you, try dancing to the Orb at there most monged out!). It could have been anyone I mentioned. At the time of "1.Outside", Status Quoasis were lauded as the saviours of Rock'n'Roll, when all they were turning out was tugid retro rock. I couldn't believe that things like "Cigarettes and Alchohol" were praised to the hilt, when Bowie was coming out with something as original and inventive as "1.Outside" >> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 17:56:23 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: great news somebody just called me a whinger for my complaints about the dame. so i better be really positive for a bit. great news! john mcgeogh has a new band. and , even better , its a collaboration with john keble the sax player from spandau ballet. sounds brill. and nobody even mentioned "bowie ; the wallpaper" - i saw some of it hanging in a museum last year and the bloke i was with said it was the best bowie work he'd seen in ages. p (was that nice and upbeat?) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 17:47:49 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: great news I'm sure the Dame will be most comforted!!! :-) > somebody just called me a whinger for my complaints about the dame. so i better be really positive for a bit. > > great news! john mcgeogh has a new band. and , even better , its a collaboration with john keble the sax player from spandau ballet. sounds brill. > > and nobody even mentioned "bowie ; the wallpaper" - i saw some of it hanging in a museum last year and the bloke i was with said it was the best bowie work he'd seen in ages. p > > (was that nice and upbeat?) > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 18:19:17 +0100 From: Alan_Platten@ipc.co.uk Subject: Re: compartmentalism Alan Gray wrote: "I thought that Chris De Burgh was overstepping the mark with 'the lady in red' ... shit, that's an understatement. alanx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 19:26:39 +0100 From: "andy and sheri wiseman" Subject: Albinis heartbeat Big Black recorded a fine version of "Heartbeat",an if his engineering or production skills could give that kind of energy to a Wire recording I would love to hear the consequences.However they also covered "the Model" hilariously.I also saw Rapeman support Sonic ****ing Youth when they did a version of "just got paid"a ZZ Top song i think.So i'll reserve judgement for now. yours a.w ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 11:56:04 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: Albinis heartbeat >Big Black recorded a fine version of "Heartbeat",an if his engineering or >production skills could give that kind of energy to a Wire recording I would >love to hear the consequences.However they also covered "the Model" >hilariously. I have a 3" vinyl single of Big Black covering the Mary Jane Girls (!) "In My House". Came with the Pigpile video. Now - that's humor! Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: 24 May 2000 16:04:00 -0500 From: Jack Steinmann Subject: re: re: Old Bloke..... Hey, I'm 40... that's younger than any member of Wire, yes? Jack MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: >Phew, good to know there are a few older than me here - I'm 39...don't hit >the big 4 till October.... > >Mark > ><< Just how old ARE you? *L > > > Sadly I'm 40 ! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 22:22:53 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: re: Old Bloke..... Oh. 40 is just spring chicken like Jack :-) - ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Steinmann To: ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 10:03 PM Subject: re: re: Old Bloke..... Hey, I'm 40... that's younger than any member of Wire, yes? Jack MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: >Phew, good to know there are a few older than me here - I'm 39...don't hit >the big 4 till October.... > >Mark > ><< Just how old ARE you? *L > > > Sadly I'm 40 ! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 23:45:57 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: Bowie Highs......Lest we Forget... some slightly better than others george old son..... - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: lucifersam Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 11:16 PM Subject: Re: Bowie Highs......Lest we Forget... > > He certainly had a good run going there. Just that, rockers don't age well > ... if at all. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 18:00:03 CDT From: "Laurel G" Subject: Re: LuciferSam.....Old Bloke..... > > > Sadly I'm 40 ! I'll be 41 in about 2 weeks....eekkkk > I live in east London and shall be at the Garage on > Saturday. To be honest, i never normally go to gigs > of bands from 'the old days', I dont like to look back > too much. But i just thought 'Wire' would be fun, and > they have always been more forward looking than > most of the groups for those days. I don't necessarily mind going to see bands from the old days - when they've progressed personally - let me explain - most of the punk older bands I've gone to see seem to have accepted ageing and life progression - they seem for the most part to be in the present - not forgetful of the past, and not disdaining it necessarily, just not stuck there - now, as for say 80s hair metal bands, well, need I say more? and yes, it's a sad fact of life that I have friends in a "classic rock" group that open once in a while for re-formed, oft times has been, hair metal bands in local shows - sometimes it's a very sad thing to witness >I do a lot of un-punk stuff too(LOL), I have an 11 year old daughter to > >run around after!!!! Oh lord - adolescence - my older one is 12 - boy - life will be hell soon As for the Mancunian in your life. Is he > United or City man?????????? Stockport man all the way - through thick and thin - and you? > > Le Cat Siamese... Laurel ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 23:47:23 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Syd Barrett Chat List Hope you dont mind this folks...... Come look at the new Syd Barrett Chat Community! LaughingMadcaps........ We have Links, Files and MP3's available, interactive messages, real time chat and a friendly bunch of Laughing Madcaps. We can be found at........ http://kilohsmith.tripod.com/barrett.html Investgate our message archives...interesting posts by Syds 'Stars' ex Soundman....... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 14:04:50 -0700 From: obie Subject: Re: '80s Bowie all bad ? He may have peaked at "Young Americans" but , I gave "Earthling" a listen the other day since it came out , it's quite good actually, I just disregard "Lets dance" altogether :-) sean bowen wrote: > > I liked 'This is not America' with Pat Metheny band. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 20:38:43 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Top Story: Kid Rock Starves to Death LOS ANGELES--MP3 piracy of copyrighted music claimed another victim Monday, when the emaciated body of rock-rap superstar Kid Rock was found on the median of La Cienega Boulevard. "How many more artists must die of starvation before we put a stop to this MP3 madness?" asked Hilary Rosen, president of the Recording Industry= Association of America (RIAA). "MP3s of Kid Rock's music were so widely traded and downloaded by Napster users that he was driven back to the mean streets from whence he came, dying bankrupt and penniless in the gutter." When found by police, the 28-year-old Kid Rock, born Bob Ritchie in Detroit, was still clutching the cardboard "Devil Without A Place To Sleep Or Anything To Eat" sign that had been his trademark ever since the rise of Napster's MP3-sharing software bankrupted him in January. Rosen said the RIAA would prosecute the music-piracy firms that are responsible "to the fullest extent of the law." "Napster killed Kid Rock, there's no doubt about it," Rosen said. "As soon as that web site went up last October, people stopped buying his music. It's not surprising, either: Why would anyone in their right mind pay $12.99 for a CD with artwork when they could simply spend seven hours downloading the compressed MP3 files of all the album's songs onto their home computer's desktop, decompress it into an AIFF sound file, and then burn the data onto a blank CD?" "If we don't do something, this technology is going to destroy the record industry," said Nathan Davis, vice-president of Atlantic Records, Kid Rock's label. "Just imagine if the oil-change industry allowed the public to have direct access to oil and oil filters, enabling them to change their car's oil themselves without going through Jiffy Lube or Kwik Lube. People would stop going to oil-change shops, and the entire industry would collapse. We can't let that happen to us." According to post-autopsy analysis of Kid Rock's stomach contents by the L.A. County coroner's office, his last meal consisted of newspapers, cigar butts, old CD liner notes, and the partial remains of sidekick Joe C., who had been missing since May 15. Above: The home page of the web site Napster, which has cost numerous rock stars their lives. Thus far, relief efforts on behalf of afflicted artists have met with little success. In January, Metallica, System Of A Down, and Powerman 5000 teamed up for a concert tour known as "Us Aid," but the rockers were forced to cancel when concertgoers at the kickoff show in Tempe, AZ, showed up with MP3 recording equipment. An all-star fundraiser CD featuring Kid Rock, Limp Bizkit, and Korn was similarly scrapped when an individual known only by the user name PimpKracker69@aol.com acquired a promotional copy and made it available to millions of fans over the Internet. "This is exactly the kind of thing we've been warning our fans about," James Hetfield, the lone surviving member of Metallica, told reporters during a press conference at Hollywood's Grace Church Homeless Shelter. "First, they found Madonna dead of a crack overdose in the alley behind Liquid. Then my best friend and bandmate Lars is killed by cops during a botched hold-up of a liquor store. Now, Kid Rock dies of starvation like a filthy dog in the street. My God, people, didn't we learn the lesson of Elton John?" John, the British rock star who went bankrupt in 1976 before private ownership of music-pirating cassette decks was made illegal, died of exposure on a Welsh moor that year after creditors repossessed his clothing. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 23:33:04 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: OT:Grammar Cops In a message dated 5/23/0 2:14:00 PM, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: >Of course, if I just committed any grammatical sins myself, as is possible >(almost inevitable, really, when one is complaining about same), I'm blaming >it on illness. Turns out that the fever I was whining about a few days ago >apparently was a symptom of walking pneumonia, or so the doctor proclaimed >yesterday. > > >Back to bed, > >Dan > hey dan! just as long as you don't stick the wrong thermometer under your toun ge... - -paul (the former proofreader who nows types in lowercase, often sans punctuation) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 22:41:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Top Story: Kid Rock Starves to Death If only. Also ironic that in a "story" about piracy, the article itself was pirated, uncredited: www.theonion.com Always worth reading (and of course, the Wire interview from a week or so ago is presumably in the archive). - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/reviews.html ::the sea is the night asleep in the daytime:: __Robert Desnos__ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 07:45:52 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: Top Story: Kid Rock Starves to Death Amen to that brother George! Metallica, other than being a great big pile of shite, are also scumbags...DESTROY....DESTROY..... - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: lucifersam Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 1:27 AM Subject: Re: Top Story: Kid Rock Starves to Death > > If Napster killed Kid Rock, long live Napster! Let's hope Metallica is the > next to go! > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 10:36:49 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: Top Story: Kid Rock Starves to Death Oh - If only this dream could become a reality! giluz > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On > Behalf Of lucifersam > Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 9:39 PM > To: IdealCopy > Subject: Top Story: Kid Rock Starves to Death > > > LOS ANGELES--MP3 piracy of copyrighted music claimed another > victim > Monday, when the emaciated body of rock-rap superstar Kid Rock was found > on > the median of La Cienega Boulevard. > > "How many more artists must die of starvation before we put a stop > to > this MP3 madness?" asked Hilary Rosen, president of the Recording > Industry= > Association of America (RIAA). "MP3s of Kid Rock's music were so widely > traded and downloaded by Napster users that he was driven back to the > mean > streets from whence he came, dying bankrupt and penniless in the > gutter." > > When found by police, the 28-year-old Kid Rock, born Bob Ritchie > in > Detroit, was still clutching the cardboard "Devil Without A Place To > Sleep Or > Anything To Eat" sign that had been his trademark ever since the rise of > > Napster's MP3-sharing software bankrupted him in January. > > Rosen said the RIAA would prosecute the music-piracy firms that > are > responsible "to the fullest extent of the law." > > "Napster killed Kid Rock, there's no doubt about it," Rosen said. > "As > soon as that web site went up last October, people stopped buying his > music. > It's not surprising, either: Why would anyone in their right mind pay > $12.99 > for a CD with artwork when they could simply spend seven hours > downloading > the compressed MP3 files of all the album's songs onto their home > computer's > desktop, decompress it into an AIFF sound file, and then burn the data > onto a > blank CD?" > > "If we don't do something, this technology is going to destroy the > > record industry," said Nathan Davis, vice-president of Atlantic Records, > Kid > Rock's label. "Just imagine if the oil-change industry allowed the > public to > have direct access to oil and oil filters, enabling them to change their > > car's oil themselves without going through Jiffy Lube or Kwik Lube. > People > would stop going to oil-change shops, and the entire industry would > collapse. > We can't let that happen to us." > > According to post-autopsy analysis of Kid Rock's stomach contents > by > the L.A. County coroner's office, his last meal consisted of newspapers, > > cigar butts, old CD liner notes, and the partial remains of sidekick Joe > C., > who had been missing since May 15. > > > Above: The home page of the web site Napster, which has cost numerous > rock > stars their lives. > > Thus far, relief efforts on behalf of afflicted artists have met > with > little success. In January, Metallica, System Of A Down, and Powerman > 5000 > teamed up for a concert tour known as "Us Aid," but the rockers were > forced > to cancel when concertgoers at the kickoff show in Tempe, AZ, showed up > with > MP3 recording equipment. An all-star fundraiser CD featuring Kid Rock, > Limp > Bizkit, and Korn was similarly scrapped when an individual known only by > the > user name PimpKracker69@aol.com acquired a promotional copy and made it > available to millions of fans over the Internet. > > "This is exactly the kind of thing we've been warning our fans > about," > James Hetfield, the lone surviving member of Metallica, told reporters > during > a press conference at Hollywood's Grace Church Homeless Shelter. "First, > they > found Madonna dead of a crack overdose in the alley behind Liquid. Then > my > best friend and bandmate Lars is killed by cops during a botched hold-up > of a > liquor store. Now, Kid Rock dies of starvation like a filthy dog in the > street. My God, people, didn't we learn the lesson of Elton John?" > > John, the British rock star who went bankrupt in 1976 before > private > ownership of music-pirating cassette decks was made illegal, died of > exposure > on a Welsh moor that year after creditors repossessed his clothing. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 10:44:30 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: FZ > "His wife's attending an orchid show > She squealed for a week to get him to go" -FZ > > Sorry kids, before your time. Hey - you don't have to be over 40 to like FZ. Personally, I prefer his earlier stuff, especially "We're Only In It For The Money" - one of the best rock satires ever, written and performed even before much of what it was referring to happened. Production-wise and soundwise it's simply unbelievable, especially considering it being recorded on a 3-track before Sgt.Pepper. Could it just be the digital mastering or did it sound that brilliant when it was released on vinyl as well? (You old 40-something geezers should know - right?) giluz ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #157 *******************************