From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #154 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, May 23 2000 Volume 03 : Number 154 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Garage Sat27th available. [Alan Gray ] on returning [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re: on returning [Mark Short ] RE: on returning ["giluz" ] Re[2]: on returning [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re[2]: on returning [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] gilbertpossstenger - manchesterlondon [kevin eden ] Re: Old Wire/New Wire [Max Schmid ] A Listers [george.m.hook@ac.com] Re: Not Me ["sean bowen" ] Further evidence of XTC's decline? [Paul Pietromonaco ] Re: Further evidence of XTC's decline? ["lucifersam" ] Re: wire and steve albini.... [Miles Goosens ] RE: Not Me ["giluz" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 10:06:56 +-100 From: Alan Gray Subject: Garage Sat27th available. Hi I have two tickets for Wire at the Garage on Saturday May 27th. They cost me £10 each and now I'm unable to go. I'm in central/north london and would consider delivering them If you want them. alan.gray@twa-group.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 13:01:26 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: on returning well i'm finally back and re-subscribed , i got to look at digests whilst away but couldn't respond. so a few points ; 1. moshe ; are we going to make up this "undercoatings" double cd. sorry i don't have a burner but i can do you some nice tapes of most of the necessaries. markb could supply 2 tracks i havn't got as well. are we gonna do it? 2. so nobody was impressed with me meeting martin gore. huh! ok so i wasn't "lucky" enough to see david bowie...... what a wanker that guy is. i can really see him getting some heavy physical threats at a wire gig so who can blame him taking some muscle along , i am considering hiring some myself for highbury actually as i was a little scared at the rfh. 3. david bowie "10 low career points" currently under construction. its hard sifting the vast number of possibilities down to just 10 but bear with me. 4. nice to see some mention from john for stewart home ; "cranked up really high" is a great book. his novels are fun but i'm not sure you need to buy the whole lot as they're very samey. he's having a bit of trouble getting his latest one published , it's called "cunt". nice one stu. 5. dan ; any chance of a tape of that crisis album. i saw it reviewed but as far as i know it never got released. "we are all jews and germans" if i remember rightly. i really liked the crisis / early death in june stuff but it got boring as they kept ploughing the same furrow. not so sure about those politics either...... 6. so highbury beckons. everyone who's going send me a mail off-list and i'll compile a list of who'll be there each night and post it up. suggestion for sunday night is the tut n shive on upper st at 7.30 unless people have better ideas. i am currently in negotiation for 2 nights off rather than one so maybe i'll do sat too , we'll see. p ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 13:02:24 +0100 From: Mark Short Subject: Re: on returning paul.rabjohn@ssab.com wrote: > > well i'm finally back and re-subscribed , i got to look at digests whilst away but couldn't respond. so a few points ; > > > 2. so nobody was impressed with me meeting martin gore. huh! ok so i wasn't "lucky" enough to see david bowie...... what a wanker that guy is. i can really see him getting some heavy physical threats at a wire gig so who can blame him taking some muscle along , i am considering hiring some myself for highbury actually as i was a little scared at the rfh. > Bearing in mind the 'ard image DM adopted on their last album, was Mr Gore dealing out "severe terrace lessons" to the Turks? > 3. david bowie "10 low career points" currently under construction. its hard sifting the vast number of possibilities down to just 10 but bear with me. Everything after "Heroes" has bumped along on the bottom. I know a Bowie apologist who reckons the thing he did with Eno recently (1. Outside) is ok, but I'm not convinced ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 16:07:13 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: on returning > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org > [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On Behalf Of paul.rabjohn@ssab.com > 2. so nobody was impressed with me meeting martin gore. huh! ok > so i wasn't "lucky" enough to see david bowie...... what a wanker > that guy is. i can really see him getting some heavy physical > threats at a wire gig so who can blame him taking some muscle > along , i am considering hiring some myself for highbury actually > as i was a little scared at the rfh. Well, yeah - he is a wanker, but as far as wankers are concerned he's the best there is, I mean - at least he's a talented wanker. > 3. david bowie "10 low career points" currently under > construction. its hard sifting the vast number of possibilities > down to just 10 but bear with me. > Anyone with Bowie's high career points can afford all the low points he's got to (and he did have some amazing lows (he he)). giluz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 15:06:36 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: on returning > 3. david bowie "10 low career points" currently under construction. its hard sifting the vast number of possibilities down to just 10 but bear with me. Everything after "Heroes" has bumped along on the bottom. I know a Bowie apologist who reckons the thing he did with Eno recently (1. Outside) is ok, but I'm not convinced >>>> wasn't that his tragic attempt at drum n bass? crapola , just like all his 80's/90's output.p ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 15:42:03 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: on returning david bowie...... what a wanker > that guy is. Well, yeah - he is a wanker, but as far as wankers are concerned he's the best there is, I mean - at least he's a talented wanker. >>>> was a talented wanker. do you really rate his last 20 years output? > 3. david bowie "10 low career points" currently under > construction. its hard sifting the vast number of possibilities > down to just 10 but bear with me. > Anyone with Bowie's high career points can afford all the low points he's got to (and he did have some amazing lows (he he)). >>>>>i'm just fed up with him trading on his high points of 20 + years ago ; how long should we give him? i just yawn and turn the tv off every time he appears.p giluz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 07:23:07 -0700 (PDT) From: kevin eden Subject: gilbertpossstenger - manchesterlondon NOW IN STOCK!! WMO announce their final release: a unique collaboration between Bruce Gilbert (Wire) and Robert Poss and Susan Stenger (both ex-Band of Susans).* On 11th and 12th October 1995, gilbertpossstenger appeared live at Manchester's Hacienda Club and London's Disobey Club. Both performances were recorded but the latter was unfortunately unusable owing to an onstage technical fault. However, Paul Smith (Blast First) took the Hacienda tapes into Mute Records "The Instrument" and made a dramatic remix. Both tracks are included on this CD. These performances include Bruce Gilbert on slide-guitar (a long-held ambition of his) and live manipulation/ processing, Robert Poss on guitar and Susan Stenger on bass and oscillators. They create an all-out sonic assault, underpinned by Susan's drone's and bass riffs, in which Bruce and Robert were given free reign to embellish and extemporise. *(released by arrangement with Mute Records/Blast First) TO ORDER SEND £12.00 CHEQUE / POSTAL ORDER / INTERNATIONAL MONEY ORDER PAYABLE TO WMO LIMITED IN THE UK. CONTACT WMO(US) FOR USA DETAILS. ORDER NOW TO AVOID DISSAPOINTMENT ONLY 1000 COPIES AVAILABLE WORLDWIDE ===== kevin eden wmo, po box 112, stockport, cheshire, sk3 9fd, uk wmouk@yahoo.com http://wiremailorder.com/ "dreams that money can buy" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 13:19:01 -0400 From: Max Schmid Subject: Re: Old Wire/New Wire At 04:30 AM 5/22/2000 -0400, MarkBursa wrote: >Subject: Re: Old Wire / New Wire > >Paul, > >Nailed it. That's exactly how I feel about 154. Pink Flag and Chairs Missing >are 'of their time' - though CM contains some of Wire's finest songs. So (to >a lesser degree) are the '80s albums, It's all in the ear of the beholder, as it were - a few weeks ago I was playing tracks from ABAIC, and someone called and wanted to know who this great new band was! He thought it sounded ahead of today's music. And perhaps it does... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 16:14:39 -0500 From: george.m.hook@ac.com Subject: A Listers Did anyone out there participate in the compilation of the A List collection? I know Wire solicited votes for favorite songs, and then printed the results on the inner notes. I am just curious as to what that was like. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 22:14:22 +0100 From: "sean bowen" Subject: Re: Not Me > > Not Me was not released by Colin until the CD reissue of A-Z. It was part of > a series of demos (recorded by Colin, Desmond Simmons and Robert in late > 1979) but was left off A-Z and Not To. It was picked up by Ivo at 4AD for the > first This Mortal Coil album. Until the CD A-Z reissue this was the only > version available. > > Mark ......with Robbie Grey of Modern English doing a first-rate imitation of Colin on vocals. - Sean ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 16:01:10 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Further evidence of XTC's decline? You be the judge. I am only the messenger. (^_^) Cheers, Paul - -------------------- Begin forwarded message -------------------- Press Release March 15, 2000 Publicity Agent Audrey Ross/Publicity 130 West 56th Street New York, NY 10019 Who: The Neta Dance Company (renamed last year from Neta Pulvermacher & Dancers). What: The Orchid Show, (World Premiere), a unique collaboration between The Neta Dance Company, and the English rock band, XTC. When: June 15, 16, 17, 2000 at 8:00PM (Thursday - Saturday). June 18 (Sunday) at 3PM & 8PM. June 15 & June 17 Post Performance Discussions Where: The Kitchen, 512 West 19th Street, NYC. Tickets: $20 General Admission/$15 for Dancers Reservations: (212)255-5793, Ext#11 Press Reservation/Information: Audrey Ross Publicity: Ph: (212)586-3500 Fax: (212)586-3681. Information: The Neta Dance Company Email: np80@columbia.edu - ------------------------------------------------------------------- The Neta Dance Company (renamed last year from Neta Pulvermacher & Dancers) premieres the new evening length work, The Orchid Show, a unique collaboration between Israeli choreographer Neta Pulvermacher and the witty, idiosyncratic, English rock band XTC (Andy Partridge and Colin Moulding). The Orchid show is set in a whimsical, psychedelic and mirthful swamp, where other worldly beings, insects and ordinary mortals come to life and their stories unfold. Collaborating with Pulvermacher on this work are also, video-artists, Karen Dunn and Katia Moorman, and costume designer, Arjun Bhasin. The Orchid Show, choreographed, written and directed by Neta Pulvermacher is an evening in three parts: River of Orchids, Apple Venus and The Orchid Show. The first track off of XTC s newest album, Apple Venus, River Of Orchids provided Pulvermacher with the inspirationfor her choreographic foray into the world of Orchids. The result is a tour de force solo that Neta created for company dancer, Maile Okamura, who is an "orch" going about her swamp, dancing from lily pads to lily pad. The program continues with Apple Venus, a suite of lively, naove, hilarious and nutty dances set to seven songs by XTC, featuring Pulvermacher s highly versatile company of six dancers. Neta says: "The suite has a 60 s flair about it, and a child-like owe at the world,its people and its things." "My favorite kind of art always maintains an element of surprise and delight. It s kind of like clockwork toys. You wind them up and step back, and then they do something a little bit unexpected, almost as if they have an animism of their own a soul and a life that s more than just the sum of the clockwork." (Andy Partridge, XTC) Conceived as a mini, opera The Orchid Show, (the last section of the evening) is a mad horticultural lecture on the world of orchids and the people who collect, adore and fetishize them. Dancer, Jeremy Laverdure portrays, the devout orchidist, and soap opera star, Jill St. Johns, as she unravels, amazing facts, tales and anecdotes about these dazzling flowers. The company includes: Maile Okamura, Jeremy Laverdure, Jason Marchant, Brittany Reese, Christina Towle, Tami Stronach and Neta Pulvermacher. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 00:15:15 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: Further evidence of XTC's decline? sounds pretty cool to me........ The Siam Cat - ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Pietromonaco To: Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 12:01 AM Subject: Further evidence of XTC's decline? > You be the judge. I am only the messenger. (^_^) > Cheers, > Paul > > > -------------------- Begin forwarded message -------------------- > > Press Release > > March 15, 2000 > > Publicity Agent > > Audrey Ross/Publicity > > 130 West 56th Street > > New York, NY 10019 > > > > Who: The Neta Dance Company (renamed last year from Neta Pulvermacher & > Dancers). > > What: The Orchid Show, (World Premiere), a unique collaboration between > The Neta Dance Company, and the English rock band, XTC. > > When: June 15, 16, 17, 2000 at 8:00PM (Thursday - Saturday). > > June 18 (Sunday) at 3PM & 8PM. > > June 15 & June 17 Post Performance Discussions > > Where: The Kitchen, 512 West 19th Street, NYC. > > Tickets: $20 General Admission/$15 for Dancers > > Reservations: (212)255-5793, Ext#11 > > Press Reservation/Information: Audrey Ross Publicity: Ph: (212)586-3500 > Fax: (212)586-3681. > > Information: The Neta Dance Company Email: np80@columbia.edu > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Neta Dance Company (renamed last year from Neta Pulvermacher & > Dancers) premieres the new evening length work, The Orchid Show, a > unique collaboration between Israeli choreographer Neta Pulvermacher > and the witty, idiosyncratic, English rock band XTC (Andy Partridge > and Colin Moulding). The Orchid show is set in a whimsical, psychedelic > and mirthful swamp, where other worldly beings, insects and ordinary > mortals come to life and their stories unfold. Collaborating with > Pulvermacher on this work are also, video-artists, Karen Dunn and > Katia Moorman, and costume designer, Arjun Bhasin. > > > > The Orchid Show, choreographed, written and directed by Neta > Pulvermacher is an evening in three parts: River of Orchids, Apple > Venus and The Orchid Show. The first track off of XTC s newest album, > Apple Venus, River Of Orchids provided Pulvermacher with the > inspirationfor her choreographic foray into the world of Orchids. The > result is a > tour de force solo that Neta created for company dancer, Maile Okamura, > who is an "orch" going about her swamp, dancing from lily pads to lily > pad. > > The program continues with Apple Venus, a suite of lively, naove, > hilarious and nutty dances set to seven songs by XTC, featuring > Pulvermacher s highly versatile company of six dancers. Neta says: > "The suite has a 60 s flair about it, and a child-like owe at the > world,its people and its things." > > "My favorite kind of art always maintains an element of surprise and > delight. It s kind of like clockwork toys. You wind them up and step > back, and then they do something a little bit unexpected, almost as > if they have an animism of their own a soul and a life that s more > than just the sum of the clockwork." (Andy Partridge, XTC) > > Conceived as a mini, opera The Orchid Show, (the last section of the > evening) is a mad horticultural lecture on the world of orchids and > the people who collect, adore and fetishize them. Dancer, Jeremy > Laverdure portrays, the devout orchidist, and soap opera star, Jill > St. Johns, as she unravels, amazing facts, tales and anecdotes about > these dazzling flowers. > > The company includes: Maile Okamura, Jeremy Laverdure, Jason Marchant, > Brittany Reese, Christina Towle, Tami Stronach and Neta Pulvermacher. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 21:44:48 EDT From: Rain19c@aol.com Subject: wire and steve albini.... im just reading on NME's website that wire have been in studio recording 7 tracks with steve albini! arrgh, they even recording "he knows" ( that new live song that sounded really good)... oh god, im way too excited...ive only been into ( read : obsessed with )wire since last october, so the music is still fresh to me....ok ok enough babbling, i sound like a teenage girl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 15:26:08 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: on returning > paul.rabjohn@ssab.com wrote: > > > 3. david bowie "10 low career points" currently under construction. its hard sifting the vast number of possibilities down to just 10 but bear with me. >=20 > Everything after "Heroes" has bumped along on the bottom. I know a Bowie > apologist who reckons the thing he did with Eno recently (1. Outside) is ok, but > I'm not convinced < Subject: Re: wire and steve albini.... At 09:44 PM 05/22/2000 -0400, Rain19c@aol.com wrote: >im just reading on NME's website that wire have been in studio recording 7 >tracks with steve albini! arrgh, they even recording "he knows" ( that new >live song that sounded really good)... oh god, im way too excited...ive only >been into ( read : obsessed with )wire >since last october, so the music is still fresh to me....ok ok enough >babbling, i sound like a teenage girl New recordings = good. Steve Albini = not so good. I know he's a gadfly and all, and I appreciate the value of a good gadfly, I really do, but his fetishization of crappy sound has ruined more records than it's helped. His earlier productions like the Pixies' SURFER ROSA were quite good, but once he started taking his own babbling seriously and began making records that sounded like they were recorded in the bottom of a large barrel under the Wabash Street El station as a train went overhead, he became useless to me. He seems to conflate form and content, as though his syllogism is "garage punk records were great because they were recorded terribly." To him, poor sound is the hallmark of quality music, rather than the unfortunate result of young hungry bands having little or no recording budget. I for one hope that if a full-blown new Wire record emerges, someone else is manning the console. later, Miles ====================================================== Miles Goosens UNlimited edition R. Stevie Moore CDs now available! http://www.rsteviemoore.com My personal website http://www.mindspring.com/~outdoorminer/miles "If a million people say a stupid thing, it is still a stupid thing." -- Anatole France ====================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 22:41:36 -0700 From: fernando Subject: Re: wire and steve albini.... At 12:13 AM -0500 5/23/00, Miles Goosens wrote: >At 09:44 PM 05/22/2000 -0400, Rain19c@aol.com wrote: >>im just reading on NME's website that wire have been in studio recording 7 >>tracks with steve albini! arrgh, they even recording "he knows" ( that new >>live song that sounded really good)... oh god, im way too excited...ive only >>been into ( read : obsessed with )wire >>since last october, so the music is still fresh to me....ok ok enough >>babbling, i sound like a teenage girl > >New recordings = good. > >Steve Albini = not so good. I am not an expert on Steve's production values... but I liked what he did with the Auteurs (After Murder Park). It did not best their album New Wave, but it was a nice change and good for it. So, given the song selection... I am actually looking forward to hearing what he has done with the tracks. cheers! - -fernando - -- - -*- -*- -*- -*- -*- -*- -*- -*- -*- -*- -*- -*- -*- -*- -*- -*- -*- -*- -*- Through the black port, the cyclone sailed her heart, where the bora blows a wind that cries through the town, across the sea, she says she won't go. ___________________ "Cyclone" :: Silver Soul :: And Also The Trees :: 1998 - -*- -*- -*- -*- -*- -*- -*- -*- -*- -*- -*- -*- -*- -*- -*- -*- -*- -*- -*- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 10:16:31 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: Not Me > > Not Me was not released by Colin until the CD reissue of A-Z. > It was part > of > > a series of demos (recorded by Colin, Desmond Simmons and Robert in late > > 1979) but was left off A-Z and Not To. It was picked up by Ivo > at 4AD for > the > > first This Mortal Coil album. Until the CD A-Z reissue this was the only > > version available. > > > > Mark > > ......with Robbie Grey of Modern English doing a first-rate imitation of > Colin on vocals. > - Sean Neither first rate singing nor imitation - he doesn't sound a bit like Colin. This track was one of my favourites on the This Mortal Coil album, but since I've heard Colin's version it sounds like a worn-out dead version (which is what it is, actually). This song is so great, it deserved a better cover. giluz ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #154 *******************************