From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #150 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, May 19 2000 Volume 03 : Number 150 Today's Subjects: ----------------- A Serious of Bastard [Wireviews ] copenhagen etc [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] carpentry lyrics [Alan Gray ] RE: Wire Politics ["Syarzhuk Kazachenka" ] anorak alert [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re: CD storage [Carl Archer ] High Fidelity ["webmaster" ] Re: CD storage [Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk] Re: High Fidelity ["lucifersam" ] re: anorak alert [Jack Steinmann ] Re: High Fidelity [Joshua ] Re: CD storage [Joshua ] Re: Furniture Wars (was Re: politicle undertones) [Stephen Harper ] re: Re: High Fidelity [Jack Steinmann ] Re: CD storage [Aaron Mandel ] Re: High Fidelity [Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk] re: Re: High Fidelity [Jack Steinmann ] "Furniture Music" [Patrick Shaw ] re: Re: High Fidelity (fwd) [Joshua ] politics and music ["MackDaddyD" ] storage - see i can drift ot as well ["MackDaddyD" ] free association ["MackDaddyD" ] Re: anorak alert ["Paul Pietromonaco" ] Anorak-ing the anorak (was Re: anorak alert) ["Paul Pietromonaco" ] in short ["MackDaddyD" ] music organization [Joseph Silber ] Re: A Serious of Bastard ["tube disaster" ] Re: A Serious of Bastard ["ian barrett" ] Super Furry Animals ["Minya's a monster..." ] Re: carpentry lyrics -how far will we take this?! :o) [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Bowie Takes in Wire in NY [george.m.hook@ac.com] Re: "Furniture Music" ["lucifersam" ] In shorter [MarkBursa@aol.com] David Bowie's / Blur... ["lucifersam" ] Fw: From David Bowie's online journal ["lucifersam" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 01:48:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Wireviews Subject: A Serious of Bastard RE: Serious of Snakes: If you read Eden's Wire book, the phrase "I'd rather make fun at you ("fun at'cher") than go to midnight mass" is well within context. The bulk of the track is about a landlord insulting people to get them out of his pub at Christmas time (hence, "You tulip, you pea-brained earwig; you punk, you silver-tongued s(h)nake..." Besides, I'm from the "saff of Inglund" too!!! RE: Bastard: Just started listening to this again after a long break and I have to say it's aged very well. Some of the instrument sets could be a bit "rockier" at times (rather more like Newman's "Blank Canvas" on Swim Team One, which is utterly fantastic), but Orange House and Spaced In still especially really stand up as great pieces of music. And the lack of lyrics never phased me anyway! Craig Wireviews ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://welcome.to/wireviews News, reviews and dugga. Snub.Comms: http://welcome.to/snub Veer Audio: http://listen.to/veer - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 11:11:04 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: copenhagen etc hmmm , i have had better trips. still , you can't win 'em all. having seen the tv reports i thought i was going to walk into world war 3 (according to that wonderful paper the daily telegraph "the centre of copenhagen was destroyed"). so i walked down there and you wouldn't have known anything had happened , i saw no trouble at all. i got my ticket off a danish bloke so the stand i was in was completely unsegregated , about a third each english , turkish , danish and unlimited alcohol. and..... not a cross word let alone a punch up. apparently out of 40,000 people there were 20 arrests. and i lived to tell the tale....... so the "stick to the point" brigade are probably foaming at the mouth and wondering how i'm gonna drag this back to wire (have patience.....). i had yesterday off to do the tourist thing in copenhagen. i went in this bar at lunchtime and who is standing next to me but martin gore of depeche mode (there for the game , he's a gooner , i kid you not). i thought it was a great chance to get his contribution to the debate we've had on those recoil albums ; great works of innovation and sonic manipulation or pile of old pants? but i reckoned he was probably a bit biased so i chickened out and i guess we'll never know now. copenhagen has some good old record shops , no recoil in the dump bins but for a quid each i got minimal compact live (can there be a worse cover ever? bet that sold well....) and the go4 "shrinkwrapped". not played em yet , if that go4 one is crap i will look back at past mails and blame whoever praised it :-) p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 10:20:57 +-100 From: Alan Gray Subject: carpentry lyrics Dan wrote; >Somewhat different to the inlay (I'd rather make fun >at you - or "fun at yer" if you do it phoenetically >with CN's accent!) -- I quite like the furniture idea >though. I can see it now: Former Chairline, or even > >Drill drill drill >Screw screw screw >Sand sand sand > >Probably a rewrite of Sandin' My Joists, from the great album Chairs >Wobbling. Which also included the near-hit Outdoor Miter. We are talking about ideal copy. Which a retentive carpenter could file in his CD storage system next to; Virginia Plane... Roxy Music Rockaway Beech... Ramones Without yew I'm nothing... Placebo Alan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 05:53:29 EDT From: "Syarzhuk Kazachenka" Subject: RE: Wire Politics >you could have a great song with very stupid lyrics, but you won't >find any great song with great lyrics and naff music. I thought of a good example of that. The latest two Bad Religion albums (Grey Race and No Substance... ok, maybe they are not the latest really, but sure they are for me) have great political lyrics and reading them is like listening to Biafra's spoken word record. Well, the music (at least to my ears) sucks and the best tracks are very primitive Punk Rock Song (from Grey Race) and Raise Your Voice (from No Substance) Syarzhuk Be healthy, stay wealthy... Visit Belarusan Music Source - http://belmusic.hypermart.net ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 12:51:32 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: anorak alert looking back at digests issued in my absence (good idea for those who want to cut the quantity down........) and i was much taken by moshes attempt to get a double cd of "rarities" together. can't resist some input here to "tweak" the plan a little. i take it the intention is to put everything together that isn't on an available album. so to work. of the 3 tracks you're chasing , i guess the 2 kidney bingo remixes are the same track , this is on "coatings" so you don't need that. but you need "stillbird" for sure. on cd1 you don't need over theirs/drill live versions as they are on abiac. eardrum buzz 12" and ahead 12" are on ibtaba and ideal copy respectively. however you need the following ; 3 live tracks on the "buzz buzz buzz" 12" (eardrum buzz/ahead/kidney bingos) illuminated 7" in vivo dance mix instrumental (off the promo 12") stillbird on cd2 you don't need sasig 7" as its on first letter cd. but you need ; hafler trio "first letter" remixes (2 track 12"). these are long....... not sure about that in every city mix ; is it really different to the one on " the drill". ? you may be right. there is also the promo 7" of in every city / chicago drill which i think are edits so maybe not that essential. the other 2 things which would be nice to include would be live versions of "harry houdini" and "roadrunner" (played in the early gigs 85/86) if you'd like a decent quality tape of all the above i'll assist , i have everything above except a decent live tape of harry houdini. wonder if it'd all fit on 2 cd's? it'd certainly be well worth having , says he lacking a cd burner. "undercoatings" maybe? p (anorak fully zipped up) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 07:13:15 -0400 From: Carl Archer Subject: Re: CD storage I'm glad you mentioned Jesus Lizard. My system of not categorizing anything has caused one problem: Where do I put split singles? For example: I have the Jesus Lizard "Puss" CD single with Nirvana's "Oh, The Guilt". Currently I have it in the J section because the spine reads "the JESUS LIZARD and NIRVANA". However, since "Puss" is actually on a Jesus Lizard album and "Oh, The Guilt" isn't, I feel like it should be in the Nirvana section. Your anal-retentive opinions are greatly appreciated (?) - -Carl > From: "Alyce Ornella" > Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 01:57:38 CDT > To: idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: Re: CD storage > > >>> I got a "goth" shelf with all the Sisters of >>> Mercy/Christian Death/Chiron/Mission/Bauhaus stuff on it, I managed to >> divide British vs American > >> WOW! i thought i was the only one :o) i'm the guy with the american and >> import cds alphabetized separately, but the american is divided into >> "indie" and "corporate">>> > > etc etc.....Wow! You guys rock! My friends think I'm such a freak cause I > have to have the Eno CD's next to Talking Heads, which have to lead into all > my CBGB related albums, which flow into Glenn Branca, DNA, etc, that leads > to Sonic Youth and American post punk and then British, then I've got my > Chicago bands such as Jesus Lizard, Gastr del Sol etc in another > section...its all a complex system of arrangement by association and it's > weird and my excuss for wasting time > bye, Alyce > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 06:22:07 -0500 From: "webmaster" Subject: High Fidelity I think the discourse over the last few days put the nail in the coffin - EVERYONE on this list should go see the movie (or read the book) HIGH FIDELITY. It's our autobiography! charles shop@wiremailorder.com http://wiremailorder.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 12:27:55 +0100 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: Re: CD storage This is a tricky one. No doubt it has caused a few sleepless nights. In this instance I would opt for "J", the first letter on the spine. I file under surname if the CD is by a single person (ie Barry Adamson would be "A") and first name if the CD is by a group (ie Killing Joke would be "K"). Also I would ignore the "The"s. Thankfully, I feel no shame in admitting to you guys that I have complied a spreadsheet detailing the chronological order of my purchases and a pie chart . . . . or god I'd better shut up now! Chris. Carl Archer on 19/05/2000 12:13:15 To: Alyce Ornella , idealcopy@smoe.org cc: (bcc: Chris Ray/Finance/MEDAS) Subject: Re: CD storage I'm glad you mentioned Jesus Lizard. My system of not categorizing anything has caused one problem: Where do I put split singles? For example: I have the Jesus Lizard "Puss" CD single with Nirvana's "Oh, The Guilt". Currently I have it in the J section because the spine reads "the JESUS LIZARD and NIRVANA". However, since "Puss" is actually on a Jesus Lizard album and "Oh, The Guilt" isn't, I feel like it should be in the Nirvana section. Your anal-retentive opinions are greatly appreciated (?) - -Carl > From: "Alyce Ornella" > Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 01:57:38 CDT > To: idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: Re: CD storage > > >>> I got a "goth" shelf with all the Sisters of >>> Mercy/Christian Death/Chiron/Mission/Bauhaus stuff on it, I managed to >> divide British vs American > >> WOW! i thought i was the only one :o) i'm the guy with the american and >> import cds alphabetized separately, but the american is divided into >> "indie" and "corporate">>> > > etc etc.....Wow! You guys rock! My friends think I'm such a freak cause I > have to have the Eno CD's next to Talking Heads, which have to lead into all > my CBGB related albums, which flow into Glenn Branca, DNA, etc, that leads > to Sonic Youth and American post punk and then British, then I've got my > Chicago bands such as Jesus Lizard, Gastr del Sol etc in another > section...its all a complex system of arrangement by association and it's > weird and my excuss for wasting time > bye, Alyce > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 14:19:35 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: High Fidelity I read the book...It had me laughing outloud on the Central line one minuet, and crying with sadness the next. That book is about ME!!!!! Especially when the girlfriend leaves and says "It's not your fault, It's me" AAAGGGHHHHHH Why do they always say that!!!!!! Sorry, I'll stop now...The Siam Cat... - ----- Original Message ----- From: webmaster To: Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 12:22 PM Subject: High Fidelity > I think the discourse over the last few days put the nail in the coffin - > EVERYONE on this list should go see the movie (or read the book) HIGH > FIDELITY. It's our autobiography! > > charles > shop@wiremailorder.com > http://wiremailorder.com > ------------------------------ Date: 19 May 2000 08:46:05 -0500 From: Jack Steinmann Subject: re: anorak alert The U.S. Mute Tonal Evidence "In Every City?" is, if memory serves, different from anything on the album. Jack paul.rabjohn@ssab.com wrote: >not sure about that in every city mix ; is it really different >to the one on " the drill". ? you may be right. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 10:30:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Subject: Re: High Fidelity On Fri, 19 May 2000, webmaster wrote: > I think the discourse over the last few days put the nail in the coffin - > EVERYONE on this list should go see the movie (or read the book) HIGH > FIDELITY. It's our autobiography! I just went and saw it with m'girl again last night. What a great date movie. And Eno's "Before and After Science" makes two appearances! - -Joshua ___ ___ http://www.swingpad.com (Digital Art and Artisanship) - --- --- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 10:29:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Subject: Re: CD storage On Fri, 19 May 2000, Carl Archer wrote: > I'm glad you mentioned Jesus Lizard. My system of not categorizing anything > has caused one problem: Where do I put split singles? For example: I have > the Jesus Lizard "Puss" CD single with Nirvana's "Oh, The Guilt". Currently > I have it in the J section because the spine reads "the JESUS LIZARD and > NIRVANA". However, since "Puss" is actually on a Jesus Lizard album and > "Oh, The Guilt" isn't, I feel like it should be in the Nirvana section. > Your anal-retentive opinions are greatly appreciated (?) I think you should list them all alphabetically by album title and use a software indexing system. For the Mac, I recommend FileMaker. But, perhaps to be drooled over by all music collectors, there is a system called The Brain ( http://www.thebrain.com ) that everyone should look at. It allows multiple visual connections between data, so Puss would basically sit between most of Nirvana and most of Jesus Lizard. I have an ulterior motive for recommending this software: it's not available for the Mac, but the dude who wrote me from there is looking for a critical number of Mac requests before they write the port. So, since there are probably a lot of studio-having folks on this list, I surmise that a significant percentage of them are Mac users, and would like to have something like this, I'm sending this request: go to their website, get psyched about organizing your CDs, and then send a request for a port. It's an extraordinarily good idea that should really be spread beyond the Windows world. - -Joshua > > -Carl > > > From: "Alyce Ornella" > > Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 01:57:38 CDT > > To: idealcopy@smoe.org > > Subject: Re: CD storage > > > > > >>> I got a "goth" shelf with all the Sisters of > >>> Mercy/Christian Death/Chiron/Mission/Bauhaus stuff on it, I managed to > >> divide British vs American > > > >> WOW! i thought i was the only one :o) i'm the guy with the american and > >> import cds alphabetized separately, but the american is divided into > >> "indie" and "corporate">>> > > > > etc etc.....Wow! You guys rock! My friends think I'm such a freak cause I > > have to have the Eno CD's next to Talking Heads, which have to lead into all > > my CBGB related albums, which flow into Glenn Branca, DNA, etc, that leads > > to Sonic Youth and American post punk and then British, then I've got my > > Chicago bands such as Jesus Lizard, Gastr del Sol etc in another > > section...its all a complex system of arrangement by association and it's > > weird and my excuss for wasting time > > bye, Alyce > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > ___ ___ http://www.swingpad.com (Digital Art and Artisanship) - --- --- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 07:38:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Harper Subject: Re: Furniture Wars (was Re: politicle undertones) Or maybe it's "I'd rather make fun of German" (OK, elided a bit) "than go to midnight mass" (referring back to the "German phrase"). Tulips, incidentally, are symbolic of stupidity in medieval Dutch (and much European) folklore; hence the connection with "pea-brained". I'll go and lie down now... Stephen - --- Stephen Jackson wrote: > It's 'furniture' which at least makes some > sense in the context of the song, > what with Christ being the son of a carpenter > and all.....References to > Joseph and Mary, God etc..... > Steve. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > I'll leave graffiti where you've never been > kissed. > - > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 02:17:32 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: anorak alert - - > >the other 2 things which would be nice to include would be live versions of "harry houdini" and "roadrunner" (played in the early gigs 85/86) > > > >if you'd like a decent quality tape of all the above i'll assist , i have everything above except a decent live tape of harry houdini. wonder if it'd all fit on 2 cd's? it'd certainly be well worth having , says he lacking a cd burner. "undercoatings" maybe? > >p (anorak fully zipped up) OK ... time to get out my 12/17/85 tape of the Paradiso show in Amsterdam & discern what songs are on there. A friend sent it to me a looooooong time ago, & not being bowled over by it at the time -- this would've been my first exposure to the 2nd-incarnation stuff, as I hadn't yet bought Snakedrill -- I know I haven't listened to it in well over a decade. Dan ------------------------------ Date: 19 May 2000 09:49:50 -0500 From: Jack Steinmann Subject: re: Re: High Fidelity I can say, without a trace of irony or self-consciousness, that "Before and After Science" makes not two but three appearances in "High Fidelity." (Don't ask me to list them, it's been too long, but I did count after the first appearance.) I don't understand people calling this a date movie. I would imagine most dates would exit the theater reconsidering their tolerance for this sort of madness in their Significant Others. Jack Joshua wrote: >On Fri, 19 May 2000, webmaster wrote: >> I think the discourse over the last few days put the nail in the coffin - >> EVERYONE on this list should go see the movie (or read the book) HIGH >> FIDELITY. It's our autobiography! >I just went and saw it with m'girl again last night. What a great date >movie. And Eno's "Before and After Science" makes two >appearances! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 10:53:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: CD storage On Thu, 18 May 2000 Eardrumbuz@aol.com wrote: > WOW! i thought i was the only one :o) i'm the guy with the american and > import cds alphabetized separately, but the american is divided into "indie" > and "corporate" my god, i would go batty. what do you do about bands that go from an indie label to a corporate label and back? is Matador indie most of the time but corporate for the years when they had a deal with whoever it was? (Capitol?) what about US artists whose records were released on british labels and vice versa? re: split singles: i'd just file it where you're going to look for it. if you like both halves equally, that's probably the first band on the label, but if one side is available elsewhere and one is not, file it under the latter. Wire is a bit of a conundrum for filing -- solo projects together, or apart? where does 8 Time go? does Wir go before Wire, or just after? a ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 15:54:25 +0100 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: Re: High Fidelity Yeah, the Central Line moves me to tears sometimes too. Sorry. "lucifersam" on 19/05/2000 14:19:35 To: wiremailorder@ameritech.net, idealcopy@smoe.org cc: (bcc: Chris Ray/Finance/MEDAS) Subject: Re: High Fidelity I read the book...It had me laughing outloud on the Central line one minuet, and crying with sadness the next. That book is about ME!!!!! Especially when the girlfriend leaves and says "It's not your fault, It's me" AAAGGGHHHHHH Why do they always say that!!!!!! Sorry, I'll stop now...The Siam Cat... - ----- Original Message ----- From: webmaster To: Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 12:22 PM Subject: High Fidelity > I think the discourse over the last few days put the nail in the coffin - > EVERYONE on this list should go see the movie (or read the book) HIGH > FIDELITY. It's our autobiography! > > charles > shop@wiremailorder.com > http://wiremailorder.com > ------------------------------ Date: 19 May 2000 09:49:50 -0500 From: Jack Steinmann Subject: re: Re: High Fidelity I can say, without a trace of irony or self-consciousness, that "Before and After Science" makes not two but three appearances in "High Fidelity." (Don't ask me to list them, it's been too long, but I did count after the first appearance.) I don't understand people calling this a date movie. I would imagine most dates would exit the theater reconsidering their tolerance for this sort of madness in their Significant Others. Jack Joshua wrote: >On Fri, 19 May 2000, webmaster wrote: >> I think the discourse over the last few days put the nail in the coffin - >> EVERYONE on this list should go see the movie (or read the book) HIGH >> FIDELITY. It's our autobiography! >I just went and saw it with m'girl again last night. What a great date >movie. And Eno's "Before and After Science" makes two >appearances! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 11:06:30 -0400 From: Patrick Shaw Subject: "Furniture Music" 'When I'm feeling happy I make furniture music" Bill Nelson's Red Noise ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 10:54:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Subject: re: Re: High Fidelity (fwd) On 19 May 2000, Jack Steinmann wrote: > I can say, without a trace of irony or self-consciousness, that "Before > and After Science" makes not two but three appearances in "High > Fidelity." Wait, there was one in the shop, one when he was making a compilation... > (Don't ask me to list them, it's been too long, but I did count after > the first appearance.) Fine. Be that way. > I don't understand people calling this a date movie. I would imagine > most dates would exit the theater reconsidering their tolerance for this > sort of madness in their Significant Others. It has lots of music funny and relationship funny. Come on, dude, the chicks love the breakup/makeup story. Also, *some* people's SOs *like* Eno. - -Joshua > Jack > > > Joshua wrote: > >On Fri, 19 May 2000, webmaster wrote: > >> I think the discourse over the last few days put the nail in the coffin - > >> EVERYONE on this list should go see the movie (or read the book) HIGH > >> FIDELITY. It's our autobiography! > >I just went and saw it with m'girl again last night. What a great date > >movie. And Eno's "Before and After Science" makes two > >appearances! > > ___ ___ http://www.swingpad.com (Digital Art and Artisanship) - --- --- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 10:51:59 -0500 From: "MackDaddyD" Subject: politics and music i generally appreciate politics from musicians about as much as music from politicians __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 10:50:49 -0500 From: "MackDaddyD" Subject: storage - see i can drift ot as well > Subject: Re: CD Storage i have pine storage shelves which i originally bought from lundia i don't know if they are still in business, but ikea has a similar offering called , in their inimirably descriptabe manner, 'ivar' $80 includintg the extra shelves and 1x2 boards i use in the center to divide the 12" shelve for 2 sided use 2-300 albums on the bottom shelf (for stability and nostalgia ;) - approximately 1000 cds per unit cost effective, aesthetically neutral and sturdy i have a friend who had a costom unit built in his place when moving in with room for upto 4000 cds cost alot more and what do you do if , god forbid, you have 4001? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 11:15:29 -0500 From: "MackDaddyD" Subject: free association > From: "Alyce Ornella" > ...then I've got my > Chicago bands such as Jesus Lizard, Gastr del Sol etc in another > section...its all a complex system of arrangement by association and it's > weird and my excuss for wasting time As a next step I would suggest a revisionist geography to place Louisville, KY next to Chicago next to Osaka Somewhere in there I am sure certain German municipalities fall in, but I am rusty David - who cannot decide whether from day-to-day he is Jim O'Rourke's greatest fan or leader of the anti-post-rock bandwagon btw - i didn't think the postrock offtopic thread really got it's full due i *did* like the "doesn't" definition tho ;) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 09:27:30 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: anorak alert > The U.S. Mute Tonal Evidence "In Every City?" is, if memory serves, different from anything on the album. > Yes, there are actually four different versions. The U.S. Mute Tonal Evidence mix is one of them. (5 min 8 sec) Then, there's a reduced version of that mix labeled as a "Radio Edit" on a U.S. Promo single for Drill - In Every City? PRCD 8351-2 (3 min 57 sec) which also contains an "LP version" (5 min 20 sec). Finally, there's the album version itself, which is slightly different than the LP Version on the single because of the cross-fade into Whats Your Desire (around 5 min 17 sec)? You can tell the difference between the two mixes by the intro guitar part. The LP mixes (LP Version and Drill edition) have a ragged guitar sound at the start of the song that vanishes at the line "Editing Skillfully". The Tonal Evidence mix and Radio Edit are missing this guitar sound. Man - this anorak fits well. (^_^) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 09:41:27 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Anorak-ing the anorak (was Re: anorak alert) > (5 min 20 sec). Finally, there's the album version itself, which is > slightly different than the LP Version on the single because of the > cross-fade into Whats Your Desire (around 5 min 17 sec)? > Of course, that should have been : Whats Your Desire? (around 5 min 17 sec) Keepin' it anorak, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 09:52:18 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: Re: anorak alert >I take it, then, that the "Radio Edit" U.S. Promo >single for Drill - In Every City? PRCD 8351-2 >(3 min 57 sec) is what is on the Mute 7 >STUMM 74 "In Every City" (45 rpm 7")? I'm not sure - I don't have that one. Would the list be interested in hearing the U.S. Radio edit? Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 11:03:07 -0500 From: "MackDaddyD" Subject: in short sandanista - brilliant! Q - insipid (rivaled only by our own Illinois Entertainer) wire - political religious - yes off topic - not entirely a bad thing, i would just like it to relate in some loose way to why i am here personally i prefer musical offtopic it would be rediculous to stay on-topic all the time (and redundant - i think the haircut thing has mad the rounds 2 or 3 times in last couple years) while we are on the wire(ish) lyrical references - anyone else notice Illinois references Illinois Toolworks...I *know there are more* __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 10:14:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Joseph Silber Subject: music organization Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 01:57:38 CDT From: "Alyce Ornella" Subject: Re: CD storage etc etc.....Wow! You guys rock! My friends think I'm such a freak cause I have to have the Eno CD's next to Talking Heads, which have to lead into all my CBGB related albums, which flow into Glenn Branca, DNA, etc, that leads to Sonic Youth and American post punk and then British, then I've got my Chicago bands such as Jesus Lizard, Gastr del Sol etc in another section...its all a complex system of arrangement by association and it's weird and my excuss for wasting time To which I must ask - have you (Alyce specifically and the group as a whole) seen High Fidelity? the main character reorganizes his 1000s of records after each breakup. Speaks rather loudly to the musically compulsive lovelorn in me. Personally I have my discs alphabetized for the most part - Peter Murphy/Dalis Car are together under "M" and L&R/TonesOnTail/DavidJ are together under "L" - separate from Bauhaus, But Wire starts with Pink Flag and ends (at this point) with DuggaDuggaDugga (as I don't have Whore yet) with A-Z, Take Care and Insiding in between (in reverse order). Had to move the jazz to a separate case that has the soundtracks, non-tribute compilations, and classical. Will have to buy a new rack soon, too. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- If there's one thing I learned when I was still a child It's to take a hiding (Belle & Sebastian, "I Don't Love Anymore") malachimulligan@excite.com _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 02:50:22 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: A Serious of Bastard >RE: Bastard: > >Just started listening to this again after a long >break and I have to say it's aged very well. Some of >the instrument sets could be a bit "rockier" at times >(rather more like Newman's "Blank Canvas" on Swim Team >One, which is utterly fantastic), but Orange House and >Spaced In still especially really stand up as great >pieces of music. > >And the lack of lyrics never phased me anyway! Since someone flashed a Grammar Cop badge yesterday, I guess I'll note that in this case the verb should be "fazed." Then again, I've been making a living (of sorts) by screwing with other people's words for 1/4th of my life now, & I always have to take care not to confuse "sell" with "sale" (hell, throw in "cell," "cel" & "sail," too, probably). Dan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 20:04:29 +0100 From: "ian barrett" Subject: Re: A Serious of Bastard - ----- Original Message ----- From: Wireviews To: Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 9:48 AM Subject: A Serious of Bastard > RE: Serious of Snakes: > > If you read Eden's Wire book, the phrase "I'd rather > make fun at you ("fun at'cher") than go to midnight > mass" is well within context. The bulk of the track > is about a landlord insulting people to get them out > of his pub at Christmas time (hence, "You tulip, you > pea-brained earwig; you punk, you silver-tongued > s(h)nake..." > I have a cassette version of The Ideal Copy which I picked up in a visit to the US in 1988. The inlay lyric sheet seems pretty spot on in general and states "furniture." So I'm sticking with that. It's a funnier line, if nothing else. Incidentally, it may have been commented on before, but I recently acquired CD copies of I.C and ABIAC...having previously owned them in other formats. I've only had a cursory glance at the lyric sheets, but they are incredibly sloppy. I'm surprised they were passed for printing. Ian - who stores his CDs etc in no order whatsoever. What IS the point? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 17:51:16 -0400 From: "Minya's a monster..." Subject: Super Furry Animals >I understand the band are quite unknown outside the UK. Could our non UK >readers confirm that? Whew...it's been a long time since I posted anything. They're not too well known over here. I saw them last fall in Detroit with an attendance of 150 people or so. I live in Cleveland and rarely see their CDs disappear in stores near here. >What other bands do they sound like? SFA in their mellower moments sound a tad like Gorky's Zygotic Mynci (also from Wales). On "Guerilla", their last album, they sounded like a glam outfit run over by the more melodic side of Aphex Twin listening to a calypso band playing Mercury Rev. "Radiator" and "Fuzzy Logic" have a lot of punky glam psychedelic rave-ups and less of the glitchy electronics. "Outspaced" (a B-side release) is just as strong as the first two albums. I can't wait to pick up the new one and heartily recommend this band to EVERYONE. Eric ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 17:49:23 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: carpentry lyrics -how far will we take this?! :o) In a message dated 5/19/0 5:25:28 AM, alan.gray@twa-group.com writes: > >>Probably a rewrite of Sandin' My Joists, from the great album Chairs >>Wobbling. Which also included the near-hit Outdoor Miter. > >We are talking about ideal copy. > Which a retentive carpenter could file in his CD storage system next to; >Virginia Plane... Roxy Music >Rockaway Beech... Ramones >Without yew I'm nothing... Placebo right next to your mahoganny, woodentops, dormer...wait a sec, i didn't even play with the names of those guys. how bout joy division-closure, unknown planers, and steel. does metal work count? - -paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 17:18:52 -0500 From: george.m.hook@ac.com Subject: Bowie Takes in Wire in NY Wondering what David Bowie's been doing for fun lately? Well, on Monday (May 15) night he was palling around with Page Hamilton, the ex-Helmet leader who's been playing guitar with Bowie on and off for awhile now. The two took in the Wire, pan sonic, DJ Otefsu (the DJ moniker for Jim Thirwell of Foetus) show at Irving Plaza in New York. Bowie actually sat right next to Thirwell's DJ rig in the balcony. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 00:07:55 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: "Furniture Music" Thank you Sir........I am not.....alone........ - ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Shaw To: Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 4:06 PM Subject: "Furniture Music" > 'When I'm feeling happy I make furniture music" > Bill Nelson's Red Noise > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 19:43:25 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: In shorter Been away for a few days, so here's brief opinions on everything.... High Fidelity..only difference is I have no shop. Just the stock. I had exact girlfriend matches too. Bastard....disappointing but OK. Drum'n'bass 'joke' track not as funny as real thing. Super furries...whimsical Welsh psychedelia...OK but bit heavy on the JCale homage CD Storage.... Alphabetical. Used to have two systems - pre'77 and post '77. For no reason. Combined the two on last house move. Had v. expensive piece of custom CD furniture made, with room for expansion of collection. Will run out of space circa 2007 Political music.... Only good if music is good. So Go4/Clash good, Redskins not good. Same applies to any other subject matter. If it sounds shit, it's shit. The Redskins....I used to work for a division of IPC and X Moore (Redskins singer) used to turn up at union meetings urging we support the miners. All the greedy hacks and sales reps used to boo him off stage as they wanted a pay rise to have more money. Silly sod. Politico-funk was a bad concept really. 'Groups' playing laptops live.... No point. Email me the set. UEFA Cup....sorry the Arse got beaten...highlight was Hagi getting sent off. Lewis' Mullet....Very real. Occasionally worn as arse-length ponytail Perry Groves....How the hell did he get in here?!?! And where is he now?!?! Anyone notice Carl Shutt playing at Wembley last week, for Kettering. Must be about 43 now. Possibly the least likely footballer to be in posession of a League Championship medal....apart form Perry Groves. Behind the Curtain....Thoroughly recommended. 'First drafts' of all your faves.... Devo....Still don't get them. Irritatingly quirky to these ears Four-letter band names....Good formula usually, but fails when band name ends in -ush (Bush, Rush, Lush etc). Add Felt to classic British list The Smiths.....Besides being one of the greatest singles bands ever, 'The Queen is Dead' is a pretty damn marvellous album on all levels. Post-Rock....still doesn't Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 09:31:50 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: David Bowie's / Blur... It'll be interestint to see if Damon turns up, as Justine, his ex from Elastica is also a massive Wire fan...watch the feathers fly! Mike, maybe you'll run into rocknroll royalty at The Garage on Saturday...let's see...Blur will definitely be there...umm who else? Help me out here.... daver ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 15:10:36 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Fw: From David Bowie's online journal Just testin...again.... Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 5:42 PM Subject: From David Bowie's online journal Journal for Tuesday, May 16th 2000 All was groovy last night at Irving Plaza. Page Hamilton, Coco and I went over at around 10. pm to catch one of my fave old bands 'Wire'. They were in pretty tremendous form, joined by one of the Janes at the end sonic onslaught. Foolishly missed Panasonic, who were opening but did catch the Hepcat Jim (Foetus) DJ-ing. Jim is in great shape and spinning like a mad thing. "Excuse me, but do English people count as an ethnicity when it comes to hate crimes?" -- E. Cartman ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 20:00:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Jack Steinmann Subject: re: Re: anorak alert I take it, then, that the "Radio Edit" U.S. Promo single for Drill - In Every City? PRCD 8351-2 (3 min 57 sec) is what is on the Mute 7 STUMM 74 "In Every City" (45 rpm 7")? Jack Paul=20 Pietromonaco wrote: >there's=20 a reduced version >of that mix labeled as a "Radio Edit" on a U.S. Promo single for Drill - In >Every City? PRCD 8351-2 (3 min 57 sec) which also contains an "LP version" >(5 min 20 sec). Finally, there's the album version itself, which is >slightly different than the LP Version on the single because of the >cross-fade into Whats Your Desire (around 5 min 17 sec)? ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #150 *******************************