From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #149 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, May 19 2000 Volume 03 : Number 149 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Fw: Furniture ["Stephen Jackson" ] Re: Furniture [Joshua ] Re: Furniture/Tulips/Turbans/Persia ["Stephen Jackson" ] Re: Furniture ["Katherine Pouliot" ] Re: politicle undertones ["Syarzhuk Kazachenka" ] RE: Wire Politics ["Alyce Ornella" ] Re: Furniture [Paul Pietromonaco ] That furniture lyric [george.m.hook@ac.com] Re: Wire Politics ["lucifersam" ] Re: Another Political Group ["ian barrett" ] Re: Another Political Group ["lucifersam" ] CD Storage pt 2 [BillyD ] Super Furry Animals [Tim Robinson ] Re: Super Furry Animals ["tube disaster" ] Re: accent challenges?? ["tube disaster" ] Pins! WIRE Pins!!!!! [Carl Archer ] Re: CD storage [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: CD "storage" [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] RE: Super Furry Animals ["Ciscon, Ray" ] RE: Super Furry Animals ["Ciscon, Ray" ] Re: serious of "Furniture" [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: CD storage ["Alyce Ornella" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 20:21:51 +0100 From: "Stephen Jackson" Subject: Fw: Furniture >>My mistake. Cause the original poster asked, I kind of assumed that perhaps >>earwigs were indigenous to Europe. Evidently not. > >This doesn't make any sense. Indigenous to *only* Europe. Evidently not. > >I'm tired. I'll shut up now. > >Steve. >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >I'll leave graffiti where you've never been kissed. >- > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 15:20:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Subject: Re: Furniture On Thu, 18 May 2000, Stephen Jackson wrote: > >Yes, yes, we have that one here, too. > > Which makes me wonder why you asked.... I was really asking about the whole phrase. But it's not actually important. > >> >and while I'm thinking about it, what the hell does that mean? > > ....when evidently you must be aware that a "pea-brained earwig" is a > none-too-clever earwig, with pincers on it's butt ;-) > > Can I just take this opportunity to state the fact that the new Super Furry > Animals album ("Mwng") is really really fantastic....... Sure. No prob. - -Joshua ___ ___ http://www.swingpad.com (Digital Art and Artisanship) - --- --- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 20:35:41 +0100 From: "Stephen Jackson" Subject: Re: Furniture/Tulips/Turbans/Persia You can go on with this for ever, but curiously the word "tulip" comes from the Turkish word "tuliband" which is itself derived from the Persian word meaning "Turban" (dulband) because the shape of the flower resembles a turban. Then we have the lines "green turbaned angels annex the right bank" and "passionate for knights in the heart of ancient Persia"......There's got to be a link there. Someone should ask Lewis. Or maybe I should just get a life. Steve. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I'll leave graffiti where you've never been kissed. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 15:36:20 -0400 From: "Katherine Pouliot" Subject: Re: Furniture I think we're all tired today - it certainly explains all the bad (bad bad) word plays. We all need to stop looking at the idealcopy list so damn late at night and go to bed! lol Katherine > >I'm tired. I'll shut up now. > > > >Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 16:09:06 EDT From: "Syarzhuk Kazachenka" Subject: Re: politicle undertones >Hmmm ... I've always heard it as "furniture", too. Damned >accent-challenged Americans ... On a funny side: recently I was listening to Rhino punk collection. Generation X's "Wild Youth" was playing. My wife and I - two accent- challenged Belarusans - couldn't figure out if it was "Wild Jews" or "While Juice" :) Syarzhuk Be healthy, stay wealthy... Visit Belarusan Music Source - http://belmusic.hypermart.net ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 15:43:52 CDT From: "Alyce Ornella" Subject: RE: Wire Politics >you could have a great song with very stupid lyrics, but you won't find any >great song with great lyrics and naff music.>> This is why I like the Soft Boys, who I feel vary from very funny and subversive lyric writing to being downright dumb, but their melodies and harmonizing, plus the strength of their playing, make them a great band. >As for the Smiths, they always used to bore me, from the beginning, and I >still don't understand why people made such a fuss about them. giluz I hate the Smiths. I blame them for initiating whiny, self-obsessed EMO music that is so popular today. Plus from personal experience, Morrissy fans I know tend to be extremely obsessive (encouraged by his music!). I sound harsh, but I just can't stand him/the Smiths. Alyce ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 13:57:02 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: Furniture >> >I'm tired. I'll shut up now. >> > >I think we're all tired today - it certainly explains all the bad (bad bad) >word plays. We all need to stop looking at the idealcopy list so damn late >at night and go to bed! Actually - for some of us - this is the middle of the day. (^_^) - -Paul "PST = GMT -8" Pietromonaco *********************************************************** Brain: "Pinky, Are You Pondering What I'm Pondering?" Pinky: "I think so Brain, but can the gummy worms really live in peace with the marshmallow chips?" Paul Pietromonaco Test Engineer - Reflection X WRQ, Inc. E-Mail: paulp@wrq.com *********************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 16:42:39 -0500 From: george.m.hook@ac.com Subject: That furniture lyric From the Wire website: Y'silver-tongued shnake??????? It looks serious, is that a paper I see in your hand? Then a pause for a German phrase, "Nie weider nie weider, nie weider nie weider" Never again, none of your lip, y'tulip Y'tulip, y'pea-brained earwig, y'punk, y'silver-tongued shnake I'd rather make furniture than go to midnight mass ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 22:41:38 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: Wire Politics Speaking of The Soft Boys...I have give a mention to the very wonderfull Robyn Hitchcock! Genius...I'll stop now...... > >you could have a great song with very stupid lyrics, but you won't find any > >great song with great lyrics and naff music.>> > > This is why I like the Soft Boys, who I feel vary from very funny and > subversive lyric writing to being downright dumb, but their melodies and > harmonizing, plus the strength of their playing, make them a great band. > > >As for the Smiths, they always used to bore me, from the beginning, and I > >still don't understand why people made such a fuss about them. giluz > > I hate the Smiths. I blame them for initiating whiny, self-obsessed EMO > music that is so popular today. Plus from personal experience, Morrissy > fans I know tend to be extremely obsessive (encouraged by his music!). I > sound harsh, but I just can't stand him/the Smiths. > Alyce > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 23:30:10 +0100 From: "ian barrett" Subject: Re: Another Political Group If I remember correctly (and usually I don't) The Redskins made a live appearance on the British Friday evening music programme The Tube, in the midst of the 84/85 miners strike. During one of one of the songs a striking miner - a stage guest of the group - took to the mic to deliver a brief speech on behalf of his comrades. Unfortunately 'technical difficulties' meant that the mic cut out and the viewing public were denied the chance to hear what he had to say. As for the music this band played, nothing in it for me I'm afraid. I'm one of those with something of an aversion to overt political content in music. A personal preference rather than a condemnation. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 3:41 AM Subject: Another Political Group > Anybody ever hear of The Redskins? I saw them at the London School of > Economics at a concert, once. You know, the place where Mick Jagger went > to school. They had a short shelf life, but they were pretty overt, > politically speaking. They were good red rockers, they were. > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 23:44:32 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: Another Political Group Ian, not related to Roger by any chance? - ----- Original Message ----- From: ian barrett To: ; Cc: Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 11:30 PM Subject: Re: Another Political Group > If I remember correctly (and usually I don't) The Redskins made a live > appearance on the British Friday evening music programme The Tube, in the > midst of the 84/85 miners strike. During one of one of the songs a striking > miner - a stage guest of the group - took to the mic to deliver a brief > speech on behalf of his comrades. Unfortunately 'technical difficulties' > meant that the mic cut out and the viewing public were denied the chance to > hear what he had to say. > As for the music this band played, nothing in it for me I'm afraid. I'm one > of those with something of an aversion to overt political content in music. > A personal preference rather than a condemnation. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 3:41 AM > Subject: Another Political Group > > > > Anybody ever hear of The Redskins? I saw them at the London School of > > Economics at a concert, once. You know, the place where Mick Jagger went > > to school. They had a short shelf life, but they were pretty overt, > > politically speaking. They were good red rockers, they were. > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 16:36:06 -0700 (PDT) From: BillyD Subject: CD Storage pt 2 Ok, now where should I store my cd-rs? Do I put them with the rest of the collection or in their own little world? I buy the slim cases for these so they take up less space. Cheers, Billy ===== . ./\/\/\. [ . . ] /\ -- -Get Well Sammy! (R)SOT Ltd. http://depechemode.acmecity.com/freestate/54 http://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 01:35:14 +0100 From: Tim Robinson Subject: Super Furry Animals > Can I just take this opportunity to state the fact that the new Super Furry > Animals album ("Mwng") is really really fantastic....... > > Steve. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ He's right you know kids. Despite their off-puttingly crap name (and their irritating 'non' image which is involves dressing like Oasis' roadies) , SFA are a damn fine band and Wire fans may well enjoy their records which contain a great deal of wit, melody, and bucketloads of sonic innovation. They certainly have more Art to what they do then most of their Welsh contemporaries, (i.e the wretched Stereophonics, Catatonia etc.) and unlike these bands have been brave enough to release an album sung entirely in their native tongue. They along with Stereolab are probably the best British bands around at the moment. I understand the band are quite unknown outside the UK. Could our non UK readers confirm that? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 20:15:50 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: Super Furry Animals >I understand the band are quite unknown outside the UK. Could our non UK readers confirm that? That's probably a bit of an overstatement, as their first or 2nd album (can't remember which was which & find myself feeling a bit feverish right now, so won't bother checking) came out on a major US label, though the one after that was on an indie. Even if the major release didn't sell beans (as would seem to be the case), at least it was accorded that (admittedly dubious) honor, unlike, say, Chairs Missing. Or maybe I'm thinking about the 60 Ft Dolls ... No, I'm positive that Capitol or somebody released that SFA disc. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 20:34:07 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: accent challenges?? Just for the record, let it be known that I was being self-deprecating when I referred to "damned accent-challenged Americans." Hell, I've probably spent 15 days of my life, tops, north of the Mason-Dixon line & have gotten no closer (i.e. not very) to the UK than a few hours' drive through West Virginia 18 years ago. Now, if I'd said "damned accent-challenged *Yankees* ..." Dan >Thanks Paul - For the rest of you, enough about us *damned >accent-challenged* or otherwise Americans... > >Katherine > > >> Okay - I refuse to take the blame for hearing this as furniture. If you >> look in the original American edition of The Ideal Copy (Enigma CDE-73270) >> - autographed by Bruce, Colin and Graham, by the way (^_^) - it clearly >> lists the lyric as "I'd rather make furniture than go to midnight mass". >> The Mute edition (CD STUMM 42) skips the question altogether - it lists >the >> lyric as "I'd rather go to midnight mass". >> >> Hey - even (A)ndrew's page has it listed as "furniture". >> >> Colin? Colin? Over to you, Colin... (^_^) >> >> Cheers, >> Paul >> >> >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 22:52:05 -0400 From: Carl Archer Subject: Pins! WIRE Pins!!!!! http://home.dti.net/joly/pins/wire.html There's a ton of pins for other bands and alt-culture stuff too at http://home.dti.net/joly/home.html - -Carl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 23:24:54 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: CD storage In a message dated 5/18/0 7:56:26 AM, bamboo7431@hotmail.com writes: >I got a "goth" shelf with all the Sisters of >Mercy/Christian Death/Chiron/Mission/Bauhaus stuff on it, but Love and >Rockets and Peter Murphy creep there too! >I got a "my favorite four letter Brit bands" shelf with Cure/Wire/Fall >on it. The problem is I know Pere Ubu belongs to that shelf anyway, but >there's no space. And punk rock is just one big mess. I managed to divide >British vs American but still having all that stuff I could live without > WOW! i thought i was the only one :o) i'm the guy with the american and import cds alphabetized separately, but the american is divided into "indie" and "corporate" and the imports are in 3 sections, general (which includes wire), factory, and 4ad (both of which i have alot)... but those are just the cds in jewel cases. i'm building a shelf that spans the space between my domestic and import racks. it will hold all the discfolios (from independent project records) and other non-traditional packages (document & eyewitness, it's all in the brochure). i have a bunch of lift cd trays, the kind you flip through in some stores. that is really how i prefer to view my stuff. however, my collection quickly outgrew the space alotted and i had to resort to bookshelf type storage. i still keep 2 lift trays for the current rotation and recent acquisitions. that works out okay. man, i need a new hobby ;o) - -pau - -paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 23:31:25 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: CD "storage" In a message dated 5/18/0 8:42:31 AM, notcarl@home.com writes: > >I have a problem of space. Since my apartment is not very large, I need >something vertical that can support all of the weight. ikea makes a rack that you put on the shelves of their (or anyone's) bookcases. it doubles the storage capacity of each shelf so a six foot bookcase can hold something like 1600 cds. not bad - -paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 22:35:50 -0500 From: "Ciscon, Ray" Subject: RE: Super Furry Animals My guess is that your average American has never heard of them. I've heard OF them, but I follow the UK music scene more than your average American. I've never heard their music... What other bands do they sound like? Ray (Sweating his ass off while working in Tampa, Florida)Ciscon - -----Original Message----- From: Tim Robinson [mailto:timrobinson@cwcom.net] Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 8:35 PM To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Super Furry Animals > Can I just take this opportunity to state the fact that the new Super Furry > Animals album ("Mwng") is really really fantastic....... > > Steve. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ He's right you know kids. Despite their off-puttingly crap name (and their irritating 'non' image which is involves dressing like Oasis' roadies) , SFA are a damn fine band and Wire fans may well enjoy their records which contain a great deal of wit, melody, and bucketloads of sonic innovation. They certainly have more Art to what they do then most of their Welsh contemporaries, (i.e the wretched Stereophonics, Catatonia etc.) and unlike these bands have been brave enough to release an album sung entirely in their native tongue. They along with Stereolab are probably the best British bands around at the moment. I understand the band are quite unknown outside the UK. Could our non UK readers confirm that? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 22:38:04 -0500 From: "Ciscon, Ray" Subject: RE: Super Furry Animals Tube Disaster wrote: Or maybe I'm thinking about the 60 Ft Dolls ... No, I'm positive that Capitol or somebody released that SFA disc. 60 Ft Dolls!!! Are they anything like MC 900 Ft Jesus? Or 10 Pole Tudor? Cheers, Ray (still sweating, gee it's hot and humid) Ciscon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 23:41:00 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: serious of "Furniture" In a message dated 5/18/0 12:28:31 PM, joshua@espresso.hampshire.edu writes: >You: > >a)Tulip >b)Jew-Lip (!?) >c)Julep > >...you pea-brained earwig.... > >and while I'm thinking about it, what the hell does that mean? gosh, i hope it's not "b" i always heard it as "2 lip" which doesn't exactly make a whole lotta sense, but being about a silver tongued snake, i figured it meant something like "speaking with a forked tongue" or "outta both sides of yer mouth" y'know? - -paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 01:57:38 CDT From: "Alyce Ornella" Subject: Re: CD storage > >I got a "goth" shelf with all the Sisters of > >Mercy/Christian Death/Chiron/Mission/Bauhaus stuff on it, I managed to >divide British vs American >WOW! i thought i was the only one :o) i'm the guy with the american and >import cds alphabetized separately, but the american is divided into >"indie" and "corporate">>> etc etc.....Wow! You guys rock! My friends think I'm such a freak cause I have to have the Eno CD's next to Talking Heads, which have to lead into all my CBGB related albums, which flow into Glenn Branca, DNA, etc, that leads to Sonic Youth and American post punk and then British, then I've got my Chicago bands such as Jesus Lizard, Gastr del Sol etc in another section...its all a complex system of arrangement by association and it's weird and my excuss for wasting time bye, Alyce ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #149 *******************************