From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #148 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, May 18 2000 Volume 03 : Number 148 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: Wire Politics ["giluz" ] Re: hairstyle of the devil [Howard Spencer ] Re: CD storage ["Syarzhuk Kazachenka" ] Re: CD Storage ["Syarzhuk Kazachenka" ] Re: Politics and music (preying on the uninformed) ["Syarzhuk Kazachenka"] Wire = The Carpenters? [Wireviews ] Re: Wire Haircuts and how bad is the MBV list? ["Laurel G" ] Re: CD storage ["Laurel G" ] politicle undertones [Alan Gray ] Re: Behind the Curtain [Jonathan Land ] Re: Wire Politics [Stephen Harper ] Former Hairline [Stephen Harper ] Re: politicle undertones ["tube disaster" ] RE: Wire Politics ["giluz" ] Re: Wire = The Carpenters? ["tube disaster" ] re: Re: Wire Politics [Jack Steinmann ] re: Re: Wire Politics [2] [Jack Steinmann ] Re: Wire Politics ["tube disaster" ] RE: Re: Wire Politics ["giluz" ] Re: Wire = The Carpenters? [Mark Short ] RE: Wire Politics ["giluz" ] Re: CD storage [Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk] Re: Re: Wire Politics [2] ["Paul Pietromonaco" ] Re: Behind the Curtain ["Paul Pietromonaco" ] Furniture Wars (was Re: politicle undertones) ["Paul Pietromonaco" ] Furniture [Joshua ] Re: Furniture [Brian Barnett ] Re: Wire = The Carpenters? ["lucifersam" ] Re: Wire Politics ["lucifersam" ] Re: accent challenges?? ["Katherine Pouliot" ] Re: Furniture Wars (was Re: politicle undertones) ["Stephen Jackson" ] Re: Wire Politics ["Katherine Pouliot" ] Re: Wire = The Carpenters? ["lucifersam" ] Re: Wire Politics [Aaron Mandel ] Re: Furniture [Paul Pietromonaco ] Re: Furniture ["Stephen Jackson" ] Re: Furniture ["Stephen Jackson" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 11:35:35 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: Wire Politics > Plus, overtly political music can lead to some real embarrassment... Q > Magazine included the Clash's 'Sandinista' in their '100 Stupidest Rock > Moments of all Time'. Well, I never really liked Q, even when it was considered a quality magazine, but this is definitely one of the stupidest things that has been written in it. Sandinista is my favourite Clash album, and mainly because of its politics and the way the music corresponds to the political content of the lyrics. There isn't a thing called timeless music, but politics certainly isn't one of the factors that make music forgettable or unfiorgettable. For example, Weill & Brecht's Three Penny Opera was politically dated even at the time of its first show, around 1927 (I think), and it's still unforgettable even though now it's even more politically dated. The same goes with Sandinista, where the politics just helps the listener map it to the time when it was recorded. Music is not timeless, and (for me at least) should be heard in the context of its time. One last thing: Lyrics never made great songs, and I bet anyone could find examples of great songs whose lyrics (political or not) absolutely suck. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 12:16:07 +0100 From: Howard Spencer Subject: Re: hairstyle of the devil "Okay, new topic...worst Wire hairstyle ever?" The Gilbert number of c. 1991 was replete with split ends. I saw it up close at a Nitzer Ebb gig at the Rocket in Holloway road (London). I don't think that Lewis mullet was real. Can someone ask him, please? "when my day of plinking these infernal keys is over, I dont want to see a VDT at all... give me hardware over software any day" Amen to that, and to the rest of the posting. I admit - I put my records in alphabetical order during a tube strike in 1989, but as for CDs - where is the time to do these things? Wir(e) politics: 'The first letter' (from memory) 'da-da da-da da da the embargo's enforced Except if you're trading guns of course'. "Footsi-footsi" - about the London stock exchange (obviously) - a bit more (and more typically) observational in its content. Take from it what you will. I often start singing it back to the radio when all that mysterious financial gobbledegook starts up. "Guilt (sic) edged horizons are under repair/I'm in the market, I'm in the chair/I've got a target and I want my share".. Doncha just love em? Howard ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 07:54:11 EDT From: "Syarzhuk Kazachenka" Subject: Re: CD storage >Two alphabetical systems in the house don't work very well I don't get it. Why two? One for you and one for your wife? I used to store them all alphabetically, but still had problems. Where would you put side projects? Do you store Sausage amongst "S"s or next to Primus? Same to Holy Mackerel. Where would you put Michael Moorcock's Deep Fix? On "M", "D" or next to Hawkwind where it deserves? So I decided to organize them by, sigh, style - something I shouldn't even try. So now I got a "goth" shelf with all the Sisters of Mercy/Christian Death/Chiron/Mission/Bauhaus stuff on it, but Love and Rockets and Peter Murphy creep there too! I got a "my favorite four letter Brit bands" shelf with Cure/Wire/Fall on it. The problem is I know Pere Ubu belongs to that shelf anyway, but there's no space. And punk rock is just one big mess. I managed to divide British vs American but still having all that stuff I could live without (like Pinhead Gunpowder and Brand New Unit - anyone want them, btw?) next to NY Dolls/Stooges... I guess I'll have to revert back to good ol' alphabetic system and have my wife dig thru all these Angelic Upstarts et al when she wants to listen to Armik... Syarzhuk Be healthy, stay wealthy... Visit Belarusan Music Source - http://belmusic.hypermart.net ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 08:11:07 EDT From: "Syarzhuk Kazachenka" Subject: Re: CD Storage >You can get 200 650 MB CDRs = total cost = $200.00 >Total space = just over 100 GB I bought 100 blank CDRs for $40 in CompUSA the other day. 65 gig will keep me busy for a while Be healthy, stay wealthy... Visit Belarusan Music Source - http://belmusic.hypermart.net ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 08:16:43 EDT From: "Syarzhuk Kazachenka" Subject: Re: Politics and music (preying on the uninformed) >Dan, who doubts that most 14-year-olds who like The Cure ever read >Camus ... so there goes Killing an Arab straight into the dustbin Well, I did. But I got into cure at about 18... Anyway, I remember reading a great description of Cure fans: "teenagers with above-average IQ and below-average self-esteem". I think I relate to that though I am not a teenager anymore. Funny enough, my teenage years I was a heavy metal head. I knew all Metallica lyrics by heart! It's only Metallica's selloff during my college years that I got into punk, NW and all that stuff... Still, I love playing a Destruction or Testament album occasionally Be healthy, stay wealthy... Visit Belarusan Music Source - http://belmusic.hypermart.net ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 05:38:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Wireviews Subject: Wire = The Carpenters? >From: george.m.hook@ac.com >I'm trying to remember, but ... I don't think Wire > ever overtly discusses politics in their music. That's definitely the case, but Bell is a Cup certainly has a lot of political overtones in it about the UK's overtly blue period (ie: under the kosh of the increasingly inept Conservative government of the time) -- blue queen = Thatcher, unless I am mistaken... >Now religion, that's another matter. Witness, > "Pieta." Or ... "I'd rather make furniture than go > to Midnight Mass." Somewhat different to the inlay (I'd rather make fun at you - or "fun at yer" if you do it phoenetically with CN's accent!) -- I quite like the furniture idea though. I can see it now: Former Chairline, or even Drill drill drill Screw screw screw Sand sand sand Okay, I'll stop now... C ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://welcome.to/wireviews News, reviews and dugga. Snub.Comms: http://welcome.to/snub Veer Audio: http://listen.to/veer - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 07:40:12 CDT From: "Laurel G" Subject: Re: Wire Haircuts and how bad is the MBV list? Tim said: >In close second place is the very un-pleasant 80s pony tail that Mr Colin >Newman is seen to be sporting in the clip for 'A Bargain at 30..' on the >FSAMTV Video. Was it one of those stick on Velcro ones that Rodney had in >that episode of 'Only Fools and Horses'? > hahahahahaha - this is very funny to me personally - I think one of the first questions joey asked Dan about seeing Wire was about the pony tail Laurel ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 08:40:35 -0400 From: Carl Archer Subject: Re: CD storage I wasn't speaking of organizing them. However I sort by alphabetical order, and when having multiple CDs of the same band, I go in chronological order from oldest to newest. Sorting by musical category doesn't make sense to me. If they're your CDs, you should know what you have and you feel like listening to by name. Christian Death is right between Chemical Brothers and The Clash in my rack. I have a problem of space. Since my apartment is not very large, I need something vertical that can support all of the weight. P.S. What's the general opinion of Colin Newman's "Bastard" on this list? I just ordered it. - -Carl > From: "Syarzhuk Kazachenka" > Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 07:54:11 EDT > To: idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: Re: CD storage > > I used to store them all alphabetically, but still had problems. > Where would you put side projects? Do you store Sausage amongst "S"s > or next to Primus? Same to Holy Mackerel. Where would you put Michael > Moorcock's Deep Fix? On "M", "D" or next to Hawkwind where it > deserves? So I decided to organize them by, sigh, style - something > I shouldn't even try. So now I got a "goth" shelf with all the Sisters of > Mercy/Christian Death/Chiron/Mission/Bauhaus stuff on it, but Love and > Rockets and Peter Murphy creep there too! > I got a "my favorite four letter Brit bands" shelf with Cure/Wire/Fall > on it. The problem is I know Pere Ubu belongs to that shelf anyway, but > there's no space. And punk rock is just one big mess. I managed to divide > British vs American but still having all that stuff I could live without > (like Pinhead Gunpowder and Brand New Unit - anyone want them, btw?) next to > NY Dolls/Stooges... I guess I'll have to revert back to good ol' alphabetic > system and have my wife dig thru all these Angelic Upstarts et al when she > wants to listen to Armik... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 07:52:38 CDT From: "Laurel G" Subject: Re: CD storage I don't have near as many CDs as the rest of you - but as I've noted on other lists I file under the "where the heck did the kids put that" system - I'm lucky if the CDs are in the case, much less in any sort of order - but I'll put my 2 cents in - I've got shelves that are about a foot deep, which caused problems because you waste a lot of space or you have to have double rows - I bought those little wooden crates that you can stand the CDs up in - - they fit perfectly and I just slide them out like drawers to find the CDs I want instead of having to move the front row around to see what's behind - plus they look kind of cool with the crates on the white shelves Laurel ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 14:25:07 +-100 From: Alan Gray Subject: politicle undertones >From: george.m.hook@ac.com >I'm trying to remember, but ... I don't think Wire > ever overtly discusses politics in their music. That's definitely the case, but Bell is a Cup certainly has a lot of political overtones in it about the UK's overtly blue period (ie: under the kosh of the increasingly inept Conservative government of the time) -- blue queen = Thatcher, unless I am mistaken... >Now religion, that's another matter. Witness, > "Pieta." Or ... "I'd rather make furniture than go > to Midnight Mass." Somewhat different to the inlay (I'd rather make fun at you - or "fun at yer" if you do it phoenetically with CN's accent!) -- I quite like the furniture idea though. I can see it now: Former Chairline, or even Drill drill drill Screw screw screw Sand sand sand Okay, I'll stop now... c - --------------- Or...other bands offerings that sum it up politics,furniture or in this case, UB40....politics and furniture... sand down Margaret sand down please sand down Margaret. There must be others..... Alan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 09:44:37 -0400 From: Jonathan Land Subject: Re: Behind the Curtain >Please someone tell me about the quality of Behind the Curtain. >I've heard it's 31 tracks of early demo material.(pinkflag only?) No. It's up through 154. >How is the quality of the recordings? Perfect studio quality, except for the first 6 tracks which are perfect live quality. >This is an EMI official product, correct? Yes. And well worth getting. Jon - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- http://incomplete.net If it's not here, it's incomplete! jland@incomplete.net Guinea Pig cam available (sometimes) at http://incomplete.net/espicam.html - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 07:32:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Harper Subject: Re: Wire Politics How strange; as I read the posts about Wire being "apolitical" etc. I start to wonder if we're talking about the same band. In fact, I'm trying to think of a track that *isn't* quite strongly political. I think it's possibly easier for Brits to see the political aspects of Wire, especially if you were growing up, as I was, in "Thatcher's Britain". To take up a particular point, "The house not home", for example, is presumably the House of Commons (as well as any domestic home), innit? Also. politics in Wire are subordinated to poetry, so anyone expected the kind of directness of the Clash, Jam, Go4 etc. will be sorely disappointed. On another note, can anyone explain to me the significance of the Snakedrill cover? Some kind of Hindu posture relating to the chant in "Up To The Sun"??? My sister (not a Wire fan) was flicking through my vinyls the other and was quite arrested by it. Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 07:39:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Harper Subject: Former Hairline How about a collection of video clips of the worst Wire haircuts - "Former Hairline"? - --- Laurel G wrote: > Tim said: > >In close second place is the very un-pleasant > 80s pony tail that Mr Colin > >Newman is seen to be sporting in the clip for > 'A Bargain at 30..' on the > >FSAMTV Video. Was it one of those stick on > Velcro ones that Rodney had in > >that episode of 'Only Fools and Horses'? > > > > hahahahahaha - this is very funny to me > personally - I think one of the > first questions joey asked Dan about seeing > Wire was about the pony tail > > Laurel > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail > at http://www.hotmail.com > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 08:40:37 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: politicle undertones >>Now religion, that's another matter. Witness, >> "Pieta." Or ... "I'd rather make furniture than go >> to Midnight Mass." > >Somewhat different to the inlay (I'd rather make fun >at you - or "fun at yer" if you do it phoenetically >with CN's accent!) -- I quite like the furniture idea >though. I can see it now: Former Chairline, or even > >Drill drill drill >Screw screw screw >Sand sand sand > >Okay, I'll stop now... >c Hmmm ... I've always heard it as "furniture", too. Damned accent-challenged Americans ... Dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 18:08:33 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: Wire Politics > -----Original Message----- > From: lucifersam [mailto:lucifersam@supanet.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 4:39 PM > To: giluz > Subject: Re: Wire Politics > > > I cant agree that Lyrics never made great songs! I didn't express myself clearly enough - what I meant was that you could have a great song with very stupid lyrics, but you won't find any great song with great lyrics and naff music. I still think Sandinista is incredible, and even becomes better as the years go by - especially because of the brilliant creative studio work which was so far ahead of its time. I know that this is a Clash album that most people don't particularly like, but I'm kinda used to it - it's just the same with The Fall's Bend Sinister, which I think is their best album. According to what I read in this list, most Fall fans disagree and don't even rate it as one of their best. As for the Smiths, they always used to bore me, from the beginning, and I still don't understand why people made such a fuss about them. This is a very good example of a band whose lyrics are more important than the music. If I wanted to hear good lyrics I could read a good book or some poetry. In popular music I'm looking for the way the music and the lyrics relate to each other - I wouldn't want or expect any lyrics to stand apart from the music it accompanies. The Smiths had good lyrics - sure, but they sort of sounded the same musically, to my ears. Now I probably created a new discussion topic, because I'm sure most list members would disagree with me on that. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 09:01:52 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: Wire = The Carpenters? >Somewhat different to the inlay (I'd rather make fun >at you - or "fun at yer" if you do it phoenetically >with CN's accent!) -- I quite like the furniture idea >though. I can see it now: Former Chairline, or even > >Drill drill drill >Screw screw screw >Sand sand sand > Probably a rewrite of Sandin' My Joists, from the great album Chairs Wobbling. Which also included the near-hit Outdoor Miter. Dan ------------------------------ Date: 18 May 2000 10:17:58 -0500 From: Jack Steinmann Subject: re: Re: Wire Politics I don't know about that. Songs like "How Soon Is Now?" and "Barbarism Begins at Home" strike me as, first and foremost, pretty exciting music. Jack giluz@nettalk.com wrote: >As for the Smiths, they always used to bore me, from the beginning, and I >still don't understand why people made such a fuss about them. This is a >very good example of a band whose lyrics are more important than the music. ------------------------------ Date: 18 May 2000 10:21:27 -0500 From: Jack Steinmann Subject: re: Re: Wire Politics [2] Check out Neil Young's "Time Fades Away" and "Tonight's the Night." Treasured albums, lyrically compelling but... not much fun to listen to. Jack giluz@nettalk.com wrote: >you could >have a great song with very stupid lyrics, but you won't find any great song >with great lyrics and naff music. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 09:15:25 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: Wire Politics I dunno ... I find Sandinista so flaccid & boring that I've never listened to it all the way through, though it's not the *lyrics* that are at fault, merely the music. Of course, I also find the 2nd half of London Calling monumentally dull. Do agree with you on the excellence, though, of Bend Sinister, & on the overratedness (just made up a word, I think) of the Smiths. Dan >> >> I cant agree that Lyrics never made great songs! > >I didn't express myself clearly enough - what I meant was that you could >have a great song with very stupid lyrics, but you won't find any great song >with great lyrics and naff music. > >I still think Sandinista is incredible, and even becomes better as the years >go by - especially because of the brilliant creative studio work which was >so far ahead of its time. I know that this is a Clash album that most people >don't particularly like, but I'm kinda used to it - it's just the same with >The Fall's Bend Sinister, which I think is their best album. According to >what I read in this list, most Fall fans disagree and don't even rate it as >one of their best. > >As for the Smiths, they always used to bore me, from the beginning, and I >still don't understand why people made such a fuss about them. This is a >very good example of a band whose lyrics are more important than the music. >If I wanted to hear good lyrics I could read a good book or some poetry. In >popular music I'm looking for the way the music and the lyrics relate to >each other - I wouldn't want or expect any lyrics to stand apart from the >music it accompanies. The Smiths had good lyrics - sure, but they sort of >sounded the same musically, to my ears. > >Now I probably created a new discussion topic, because I'm sure most list >members would disagree with me on that. > >giluz > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 18:26:31 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: Re: Wire Politics > -----Original Message----- > From: Jack Steinmann [mailto:jsteinmann@clynch.com] > I don't know about that. > > Songs like "How Soon Is Now?" and "Barbarism Begins at Home" > strike me as, first and foremost, pretty exciting music. > I have to admit that at least as far as How Soon Is Now is concerned, you're absolutely right. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 16:42:43 +0100 From: Mark Short Subject: Re: Wire = The Carpenters? More compelling evidence... 12xu "Saw you in a mag..." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 18:48:02 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: Wire Politics > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org > > I dunno ... I find Sandinista so flaccid & boring that I've never listened > to it all the way through, though it's not the *lyrics* that are at fault, > merely the music. I think you should give it a few more chances, especially now, when that whole punk-new wave thing can be looked at from a more detached perspective. It took me some years to get used to Sandinista myself. The fact that I like it so much still amazes me, especially because it has lots of reggae in it, a musical style that never appealed to me. But I think Sandinista captured the late 70's musical atmosphere in UK. Also, the lyrics tend to focus on the music industry and the way punk was co-opted by the big record companies. Maybe that's the reason why they sound so fresh now while lots of other Clash political songs' lyrics are a bit dated - the music industry just got bigger and nastier, but basically remained the same (er.. big and nasty). Studio work - the way they worked in the studio is much more contemporary than the way other bands worked at the time. Punk was mainly about playing live and messing around in the studio was an artsy-fartsy thing. Very few white bands took the reggae concept of dub so extremely, and concerned themselves so much with the way they sounded, trying to create a new concept of studio work, but still maintaining the joy and fun of throwing wild ideas to the air. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 17:00:29 +0100 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: Re: CD storage - --0__=lUAnIgmh2AWlFpgpdTySNyxOjUWrvdgEZpaFyc4RgeD1panwDPvZPrkT Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline (I may be duplicating this email, sorry it's been a long day.) I also have a problem with CD storage. Currently I have 500 CDs that are at the moment in CD drawers (purchased for - --0__=lUAnIgmh2AWlFpgpdTySNyxOjUWrvdgEZpaFyc4RgeD1panwDPvZPrkT Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable =A312 from Argos - very cheap and nasty but effective). As my collection grows I would like to move them = from these black plastic drawers to somewhere away from dust and sticky fing= ers. The only solution I can think of is filing cabinets. I have heard that there are some on the market that have shallow drawers and are more aesthetically pleasing than the local council's cabinets. Does in the U= K know where I can purchase these from? Chris. Carl Archer on 18/05/2000 13:40:35 To: Syarzhuk Kazachenka , idealcopy@smoe.org cc: (bcc: Chris Ray/Finance/MEDAS) Subject: Re: CD storage = - --0__=lUAnIgmh2AWlFpgpdTySNyxOjUWrvdgEZpaFyc4RgeD1panwDPvZPrkT Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I wasn't speaking of organizing them. However I sort by alphabetical order, and when having multiple CDs of the same band, I go in chronological order from oldest to newest. Sorting by musical category doesn't make sense to me. If they're your CDs, you should know what you have and you feel like listening to by name. Christian Death is right between Chemical Brothers and The Clash in my rack. I have a problem of space. Since my apartment is not very large, I need something vertical that can support all of the weight. P.S. What's the general opinion of Colin Newman's "Bastard" on this list? I just ordered it. - -Carl > From: "Syarzhuk Kazachenka" > Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 07:54:11 EDT > To: idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: Re: CD storage > > I used to store them all alphabetically, but still had problems. > Where would you put side projects? Do you store Sausage amongst "S"s > or next to Primus? Same to Holy Mackerel. Where would you put Michael > Moorcock's Deep Fix? On "M", "D" or next to Hawkwind where it > deserves? So I decided to organize them by, sigh, style - something > I shouldn't even try. So now I got a "goth" shelf with all the Sisters of > Mercy/Christian Death/Chiron/Mission/Bauhaus stuff on it, but Love and > Rockets and Peter Murphy creep there too! > I got a "my favorite four letter Brit bands" shelf with Cure/Wire/Fall > on it. The problem is I know Pere Ubu belongs to that shelf anyway, but > there's no space. And punk rock is just one big mess. I managed to divide > British vs American but still having all that stuff I could live without > (like Pinhead Gunpowder and Brand New Unit - anyone want them, btw?) next to > NY Dolls/Stooges... I guess I'll have to revert back to good ol' alphabetic > system and have my wife dig thru all these Angelic Upstarts et al when she > wants to listen to Armik... - --0__=lUAnIgmh2AWlFpgpdTySNyxOjUWrvdgEZpaFyc4RgeD1panwDPvZPrkT-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 09:13:06 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: Re: Wire Politics [2] > Check out Neil Young's "Time Fades Away" and "Tonight's the Night." > Treasured albums, lyrically compelling but... not much fun to listen to. Really? I think they have some of his strongest melodies. (Albuquerque off of "Tonight's the night" and Last Dance off of "Time Fades Away" for instance.) It's just the production that's rough. For me, that makes them more fun than the rest - which sound sort of bland in comparison. Don't *even* get me started on his 80's stuff - country album, big band swing . Recovering Neil Young fan, Paul P.S. Anybody heard Silver and Gold yet? Looks tempting... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 08:52:13 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: Behind the Curtain > >How is the quality of the recordings? > > Perfect studio quality, except for the first 6 tracks which > are perfect live quality. > Actually, tracks 16 - 21 sound a little funny. My guess is that they were originally mono, and electrically "rechanneled" for stereo. Either that, or the master tape had lost all of the treble on the right channel. (Anybody care to comment on this? Kevin? (^_^)) Still - it's a minor quibble. All of the tracks are from original sources, and are not bootlegs. Excellent quality. > >This is an EMI official product, correct? > > Yes. And well worth getting. I second that. Definitely EMI product. If you've *ever* been curious as to what the original version of Underwater Experiences sounded like, if you want to hear the unreleased track "Stepping off too quick", or you just want to hear how a Wire song evolves from the demo to the finished album track, this is a must buy. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 09:05:54 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Furniture Wars (was Re: politicle undertones) > >>Now religion, that's another matter. Witness, > >> "Pieta." Or ... "I'd rather make furniture than go > >> to Midnight Mass." > > > >Somewhat different to the inlay (I'd rather make fun > >at you - or "fun at yer" if you do it phoenetically > >with CN's accent!) > > Hmmm ... I've always heard it as "furniture", too. Damned accent-challenged > Americans ... Okay - I refuse to take the blame for hearing this as furniture. If you look in the original American edition of The Ideal Copy (Enigma CDE-73270) - - autographed by Bruce, Colin and Graham, by the way (^_^) - it clearly lists the lyric as "I'd rather make furniture than go to midnight mass". The Mute edition (CD STUMM 42) skips the question altogether - it lists the lyric as "I'd rather go to midnight mass". Hey - even (A)ndrew's page has it listed as "furniture". Colin? Colin? Over to you, Colin... (^_^) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 17:18:33 +-100 From: Alan Gray Subject: Re Former hairline How about a collection of video clips of the worst Wire haircuts - "Former Hairline"? From what I saw at the RFH This could now be called ... "hairs missing" Alan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 12:26:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Subject: Furniture OK, while we're on the subject: You: a)Tulip b)Jew-Lip (!?) c)Julep ...you pea-brained earwig.... and while I'm thinking about it, what the hell does that mean? - -Joshua ___ ___ http://www.swingpad.com (Digital Art and Artisanship) - --- --- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 09:33:28 -0700 From: Brian Barnett Subject: Re: Furniture A very small braineater. Joshua wrote: > OK, while we're on the subject: > > You: > > a)Tulip > b)Jew-Lip (!?) > c)Julep > > ...you pea-brained earwig.... > > and while I'm thinking about it, what the hell does that mean? > > -Joshua > > ___ ___ > > http://www.swingpad.com (Digital Art and Artisanship) > > --- --- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 17:27:32 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: Wire = The Carpenters? Anyone remember Bill Nelson? He had a great song called "Furniture Music"..... - ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Short To: Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 4:42 PM Subject: Re: Wire = The Carpenters? > More compelling evidence... > > 12xu "Saw you in a mag..." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 17:36:19 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: Wire Politics I have to confess, I have a Tape of "Sandinista" in my car, It was all I got left with when I split with my ex (yeah, Cheers!). I dug it out of a cupboard a few months ago and decided to give it the 'retrospective' listen. It didn't work, It lasted about 30 min's and then I had to turf it out. I just think the songs are so weak. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org > > > > I dunno ... I find Sandinista so flaccid & boring that I've never listened > > to it all the way through, though it's not the *lyrics* that are at fault, > > merely the music. > > I think you should give it a few more chances, especially now, when that > whole punk-new wave thing can be looked at from a more detached perspective. > It took me some years to get used to Sandinista myself. The fact that I like > it so much still amazes me, especially because it has lots of reggae in it, > a musical style that never appealed to me. But I think Sandinista captured > the late 70's musical atmosphere in UK. Also, the lyrics tend to focus on > the music industry and the way punk was co-opted by the big record > companies. Maybe that's the reason why they sound so fresh now while lots of > other Clash political songs' lyrics are a bit dated - the music industry > just got bigger and nastier, but basically remained the same (er.. big and > nasty). > > Studio work - the way they worked in the studio is much more contemporary > than the way other bands worked at the time. Punk was mainly about playing > live and messing around in the studio was an artsy-fartsy thing. Very few > white bands took the reggae concept of dub so extremely, and concerned > themselves so much with the way they sounded, trying to create a new concept > of studio work, but still maintaining the joy and fun of throwing wild ideas > to the air. > > giluz > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 13:15:17 -0400 From: "Katherine Pouliot" Subject: Re: accent challenges?? Thanks Paul - For the rest of you, enough about us *damned accent-challenged* or otherwise Americans... Katherine > Okay - I refuse to take the blame for hearing this as furniture. If you > look in the original American edition of The Ideal Copy (Enigma CDE-73270) > - autographed by Bruce, Colin and Graham, by the way (^_^) - it clearly > lists the lyric as "I'd rather make furniture than go to midnight mass". > The Mute edition (CD STUMM 42) skips the question altogether - it lists the > lyric as "I'd rather go to midnight mass". > > Hey - even (A)ndrew's page has it listed as "furniture". > > Colin? Colin? Over to you, Colin... (^_^) > > Cheers, > Paul > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 18:27:06 +0100 From: "Stephen Jackson" Subject: Re: Furniture Wars (was Re: politicle undertones) It's 'furniture' which at least makes some sense in the context of the song, what with Christ being the son of a carpenter and all.....References to Joseph and Mary, God etc..... Steve. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I'll leave graffiti where you've never been kissed. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 18:28:38 +0100 From: "Stephen Jackson" Subject: Re: Furniture Anglo stuff: Earwig...insect with pincers, term of abuse. Pea-brained...not clever. Steve. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I'll leave graffiti where you've never been kissed. - -----Original Message----- From: Joshua To: CIA/KGB/FBI/HOT Date: 18 May 2000 17:28 Subject: Furniture >OK, while we're on the subject: > >You: > >a)Tulip >b)Jew-Lip (!?) >c)Julep > >...you pea-brained earwig.... > >and while I'm thinking about it, what the hell does that mean? > >-Joshua > >___ ___ > >http://www.swingpad.com (Digital Art and Artisanship) > >--- --- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 13:35:27 -0400 From: "Katherine Pouliot" Subject: Re: Wire Politics RE: > I think it's possibly easier for Brits to see the > political aspects of Wire, especially if you were > growing up, as I was, in "Thatcher's Britain". To > take up a particular point, "The house not home", > for example, is presumably the House of Commons > (as well as any domestic home), innit? Stephen, thanks for clarifying that. I've never even been to Britain, let alone grow up there, so why would I know those political subjects they sing about? I used to have a pen pal there about 10 years ago or so, but we didn't exchange political views either, really. However, I could perceive some lyrics in relation to the US government, too. For example, "The house not home" = the White House for all intensive purposes. Similar commentary on the ruling parties, if you will. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 17:51:55 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: Wire = The Carpenters? Very Good Sir!!! Bravo.....;-) - ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Short To: Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 4:42 PM Subject: Re: Wire = The Carpenters? > More compelling evidence... > > 12xu "Saw you in a mag..." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 14:17:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: Wire Politics On Thu, 18 May 2000, Katherine Pouliot wrote: > For example, "The house not home" = the White House for all intensive > purposes. Similar commentary on the ruling parties, if you will. hey, as long as we're correcting soundalike phrases, it's "for all intents and purposes". i'm not sure what "intensive purposes" are, but it doesn't suit the actual meaning of the phrase. re: wire's politics: maybe it's because i don't have the british perspective, but i always felt like they were mostly just against homogenization, whose greatest agent lately has been corporate globalization and a certain amount of recurrent, apolitical trendiness (see "Queen Of Ur"). i'm sure they'd sound more rightist in a far-left political climate. aaron ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 11:59:00 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: Furniture >>OK, while we're on the subject: >> >>You: >> >>a)Tulip >>b)Jew-Lip (!?) >>c)Julep >> >>...you pea-brained earwig.... >> >>and while I'm thinking about it, what the hell does that mean? >Anglo stuff: > >Earwig...insect with pincers, term of abuse. >Pea-brained...not clever. > >> And, just to be clear - according to my lyric sheets - it's tulip. Why are earwigs considered Anglo? We have them here in Seattle. They're kinda nasty looking. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 20:15:23 +0100 From: "Stephen Jackson" Subject: Re: Furniture >Why are earwigs considered Anglo? We have them here in Seattle. >They're kinda nasty looking. My mistake. Cause the original poster asked, I kind of assumed that perhaps earwigs were indigenous to Europe. Evidently not. Steve. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I'll leave graffiti where you've never been kissed. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 20:19:30 +0100 From: "Stephen Jackson" Subject: Re: Furniture >Yes, yes, we have that one here, too. Which makes me wonder why you asked.... >> >and while I'm thinking about it, what the hell does that mean? ....when evidently you must be aware that a "pea-brained earwig" is a none-too-clever earwig, with pincers on it's butt ;-) Can I just take this opportunity to state the fact that the new Super Furry Animals album ("Mwng") is really really fantastic....... Steve. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I'll leave graffiti where you've never been kissed. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #148 *******************************