From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #147 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, May 18 2000 Volume 03 : Number 147 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Politics and music (preying on the uninformed) ["tube disaster" ] Re: CD Storage [Kathy P ] Another Political Group [george.m.hook@ac.com] Re: CD Storage [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Another Political Group ["tube disaster" ] Wire Haircuts and how bad is the MBV list? [Tim Robinson ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 19:57:32 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: Politics and music (preying on the uninformed) Ummm ... Most kids have about as much clue about adult relationships as they do about politics, so should any "love song" more ambitious than, say, Puppy Love be branded as "immoral"? I don't think so. Dan, who doubts that most 14-year-olds who like The Cure ever read Camus ... so there goes Killing an Arab straight into the dustbin >I feel that putting politics in music that is marketed towards kids is immoral. Why? >Because kids are not informed enough to be able to weigh the political views >expressed in the music against their counterparts. So, instead of making an informed >decision, kids often ape the artists politics for no other reason than "He or she's >cool," this leads to problems for both sides. For instance, if Rage against the >Machine is advocating Communism, Informed Communists are going to be typified as >fools, as there are going to be many 14 year old "Communists" running around doing a >poor job of advocating politics they don't really understand just because Rage made >Che so hip and cool....leading to a bad reflection on Communism in pop culture. In >addition, opposing political view points are no longer going to get their fair >exposure, say in the form of a book, so they too must prey on impressionable teens >by pandering to them with Rockin' cd's that can only do an inadequate job of >advocating a political position. I realize it is all too easy for artists to succumb >to the temptation of dumbing down a political position that they want to advocate by >condensing it into a three minute song, because the possibility of attracting some >coverts (even if poorly informed ones) is greater than say, doing it in book >form....but please for the sake of your own beliefs and maybe even those held by >others, if you're marketing your material towards kids, take the high road and just >reference a book in the liner notes. > >Robert. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 20:10:30 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: Wire Politics >And, Manscape had very stinging condemnations of politics dealing with >the fall of the Berlin wall. For example, the line in "Life In The >Manscape": > >"Free speech and More TV/Distribute liberally" > >Which was meant to illustrate the only benefit that Eastern Europe >would be getting out of the fall of communism. Whoops -- that means Wire probably didn't approve of Joe McCarthy ... Ray, you should've hung around after the show to set 'em straight! Dan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 22:39:15 -0400 From: Kathy P Subject: Re: CD Storage on 5/17/00 6:43 PM, Joshua at joshua@espresso.hampshire.edu wrote: > If you have a Mac, you can built a FileMaker database of all your music that > can talk to SoundJam to play stuff. Right on bro! This is a Mac, FileMaker Pro and SoundJam friendly household!! > The downside is obviosuly that, to do this for your whole collectin, you'd > have to spend almost $3000 on storage. But, by the time you get there, > maybe a 100G drive won't cost so much, eh? Newsflash: You can get 200 650 MB CDRs = total cost = $200.00 Total space = just over 100 GB downside, you have to flip CDs, or buy a jukebox - I think they have CDR jukeboxes now. Yeah baby!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 21:41:54 -0500 From: george.m.hook@ac.com Subject: Another Political Group Anybody ever hear of The Redskins? I saw them at the London School of Economics at a concert, once. You know, the place where Mick Jagger went to school. They had a short shelf life, but they were pretty overt, politically speaking. They were good red rockers, they were. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 21:59:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: CD Storage On Wed, 17 May 2000, Carl Archer wrote: > I'm certain that many people on this list have huge CD collections. I'm > approaching ownership of 1000 CDs and I'm now in need of something to put > them in. Can anybody with a serious answer get back to me. I am willing to > have a storage unit as tall as 7' (or just over 2m for you metric people). > Preferably, I'd like doors on it to keep dust out. If you're in Canada or the US, I'd recommend Can-Am cabinets (www.can-am.ca). They're fairly expensive - but they hold a lot in a very compressed space and stack very nicely. I have about 4,500 CDs, 1,000 cassettes, and about the same number of LPs (plus a bunch of box sets and other odd-sized music-related items), and I hope over several years to convert all of my storage for these to Can-Am's units. I think it comes out to about $.50/CD (US), which is about my cutoff point for value. - --Jeff Jeffrey Norman, Posemodernist University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Dept. of Mumblish & Competitive Obliterature http://www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 21:30:00 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: Another Political Group >Anybody ever hear of The Redskins? I saw them at the London School of >Economics at a concert, once. You know, the place where Mick Jagger went >to school. They had a short shelf life, but they were pretty overt, >politically speaking. They were good red rockers, they were. > I think they were part of a list of groups I cited last week as making good music *&* articulating politics that I find generally agreeable ... Definitely the best (only?) Marxist skinhead soul band ever. If only the 10"s & 12"s with non-LP B-sides weren't so expensive ... I'm missing about 4. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 04:54:30 +0100 From: Tim Robinson Subject: Wire Haircuts and how bad is the MBV list? > > From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > But it will certainly help if posts consist primarily of new content, with > only the minimum of repeated content necessary to make ideas clear. I have one message for people who don't like off-topic posts. Subscribe to the digest version and skip the bits you don't like. And if you think this list is bad, try the My Bloody Valentine list. Kevin Sheilds hasn't released an LP of his own since 1991...that list has wondered so badly off topic last time I looked (about a year ago) it was the same ten people discussing what they had for dinner that day. That said, as a result of all the off topic posts on that list I met someone who is now a very good friend...and she took me to see Wire at the RFH!. Surely the purpose of a list is to get a dialogue going between fans of a band....its only human nature that the topic will veer off course all the time! We are not bloody robots! > Okay, new topic...worst Wire hairstyle ever? Now you're talkin! Its got be the otherwise very cool Mr Graham Lewis in the video of Wire performing Drill that was shown at the RFH gig. Lewis was sporting an un-reconstructed MULLET complete with 15 inch collar flange. Nasty! In close second place is the very un-pleasant 80s pony tail that Mr Colin Newman is seen to be sporting in the clip for 'A Bargain at 30..' on the FSAMTV Video. Was it one of those stick on Velcro ones that Rodney had in that episode of 'Only Fools and Horses'? Once again it is quite clear that Bruce Gilbert shall always be the coolest member of Wire and has never committed any crimes against Hairdressing. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 23:44:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Wire Haircuts and how bad is the MBV list? On Thu, 18 May 2000, Tim Robinson wrote: > > Okay, new topic...worst Wire hairstyle ever? > > Now you're talkin! Its got be the otherwise very cool Mr Graham Lewis in > the video of Wire performing Drill that was shown at the RFH gig. Lewis was > sporting an un-reconstructed MULLET complete with 15 inch collar flange. Nasty! > > In close second place is the very un-pleasant 80s pony tail that Mr Colin > Newman is seen to be sporting in the clip for 'A Bargain at 30..' on the > FSAMTV Video. Was it one of those stick on Velcro ones that Rodney had in > that episode of 'Only Fools and Horses'? > > Once again it is quite clear that Bruce Gilbert shall always be the coolest > member of Wire and has never committed any crimes against Hairdressing. Unfortunately, there's this: http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~qwerty/wire/images/explodedviews2.jpg The best that can be said here is "John Cale 1966" - but even that doesn't redeem it... Gotta say, though, that Colin looks mighty sharp in Paul Rabjohn's photos at Andrew's site (http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~qwerty/wire/). And y'know, let's give Robert Gotobed some credit - he's never looked outright dorky that I've seen... - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/reviews.html ::SCENE 2: ::Aunt Fritzi applies lipstick in the mirror. In the next room, Sluggo ::removes his ever-present cap and blows his nose in a red handkerchief. ::Nancy enters the room and accuses Sluggo of stealing the donuts that ::Aunt Fritzi made for her. Sluggo looks at the clock, which reads 8:54, ::and says he'd better hurry or he'll be late for his trombone lesson. ------------------------------ Date: 18 May 2000 00:10:11 -0500 From: Jack Steinmann Subject: re: Wire Haircuts and how bad is the MBV list? Okay then, how do we meet her? Tim Robinson wrote: >as a result of all the off topic posts on that list I met someone who >is now a very good friend...and she took me to see Wire at the RFH! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 02:01:57 EDT From: VoxxJaguar@aol.com Subject: Behind the Curtain Please someone tell me about the quality of Behind the Curtain. I've heard it's 31 tracks of early demo material.(pinkflag only?) How is the quality of the recordings? This is an EMI official product, correct? df ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 23:13:28 -0700 From: Brian Barnett Subject: Re: Wire Politics Anyone who speaks of Sloanerangers are political and yes I am an american. tube disaster wrote: > >And, Manscape had very stinging condemnations of politics dealing with > >the fall of the Berlin wall. For example, the line in "Life In The > >Manscape": > > > >"Free speech and More TV/Distribute liberally" > > > >Which was meant to illustrate the only benefit that Eastern Europe > >would be getting out of the fall of communism. > > Whoops -- that means Wire probably didn't approve of Joe McCarthy ... Ray, > you should've hung around after the show to set 'em straight! > > Dan ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #147 *******************************