From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #142 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, May 16 2000 Volume 03 : Number 142 Today's Subjects: ----------------- New Bruce Single [flaherty michael w ] New Bruce Single (fwd) [flaherty michael w ] re: DC show; or why such an awful setlist? [Jack Steinmann ] Re: Chairs Missing [jasonmb@calweb.com] RE: cranky Boston show review ["giluz" ] RE: Washington show report. ["giluz" ] RE: Americans and Marxism ["giluz" ] RE: Leicester City: a clarification [Stuart Fairbrother Subject: New Bruce Single According to Wire Views, Bruce has a new single (well, one side of a new single) on raft records. There is no information on where it is available. Does anyone (Craig? Charles?) no of a source in the US for this? While I'm on the topic of product, I check Post Everything several times a week to see if they're up and running--they've been saying coming soon for quite some time now. For those who don't know, they will be selling Pinkflag.com items to US customers through a secure server. So ... waiting and hoping, Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 20:53:26 -0500 (CDT) From: flaherty michael w Subject: New Bruce Single (fwd) >available. Does anyone (Craig? Charles?) no of a source in the US for Just after I hit the send button I thought, "I forgot to edit. Hope there are no embarrassing mistakes." Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: 15 May 2000 22:18:28 -0500 From: Jack Steinmann Subject: re: DC show; or why such an awful setlist? Would anyone deeply disappointed in their Wire show please get in touch so they can unload their copy of It's All in the Brochure on me? Thank you. Jack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 21:45:54 -0700 From: obie Subject: Wire CD question I was wondering if the CD for sale at the shows are all the same? Where there others available? The one I picked up was the "third day" CD. If there where others , are they available somehow? - -- ********************** Obie Sanders Systems administrator Spotlife INC obie@spotlife.com ********************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 00:04:20 -0700 From: jasonmb@calweb.com Subject: Re: Chairs Missing >OK, I can't find a CD of Chairs Missing anywhere. Anbody got an extra >they'd like to sell? I really loved that album to the point where I >borrowed it for, oh, three years or so from a friend, but it didn't occur >to me to buy it until the other day. At which point I picked up Pink Flag >and the Peel Sessions, but CDNow came back saying that it wasn't in their >catalogue any more. Amazon has the A List and ... Manscape, I think. >But no Chairs Missing. > >Anyone know a decent record store on the net somewhere? I'm embarrassed >ordering from CDNow or Amazon anyway. It's available from: http://www.cdconnection.com/ and http://www.cdsource.com/ CD Source has the best price. - -- Jason Borchers jasonmb@calweb.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 10:29:30 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: cranky Boston show review > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org > [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Kent Lundberg > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 10:12 PM > To: idealcopy@smoe.org > Cc: klund@mediaone.net > Subject: cranky Boston show review > > > Wire played, but they didn't really perform. > > > 2. Bruce never faced the audience. Not once. I don't expect him to > dance around and swing his arms like Pete Townshend, but he acted like > he was there against his will, and was pretty pissed about it. > > 3. Colin never really connected with the crowd. Yes, I know that's > very much "in character" for Wire, but we were all psyched to be there, > and it was as if he didn't care. About ten people shouted "That's the > lowdown" during the break in Lowdown, and Colin just looked annoyed. If > he had been willing to pander a little to the audience, he could have > had the whole crowd eating out of his hand, screaming "That's the > lowdown" at the top of their lungs by the end of the song. I mean, > geez, the crowd went nuts when Colin and Graham said "hellohellohello" > during their sound check. Couldn't they have played off that energy, > even just a little bit? > > 4. Warning: Sounds like a casual fan alert: I wanted to hear Ahead, > Madman's Honey, and Ambitious. Pout. And my girlfriend felt the > absence of Kidney Bingos was tragic. Sniff. All of this - not playing audience fabourites and not noticing the audience is one of the things that makes me love Wire so much. It's also a Wire trademark. I remember coming back from the RFH gig, when my wife asked me whether they played The Fly and I said: "god no, The Fly was an almost hit - they couldn't play that". I have to admit that this art school attitude could be a bit tedious, but still, this is one of the things Wire's about (just like not playing old material [he he]). I think the only band I could compare them to in that respect (and also in lots of others) is the Fall. > > 5. They weren't as tight as I expected. This criticism is a little > unfair, I know, because my point of reference is the Bauhaus reunion > last year. (Haskins, Ash, and J have continued to play together as Love > and Rockets, and you could tell. They were *really* tight.) Wire > haven't been playing together for the past ten years, and I felt like it > really showed. They have been honest about this lack of proficiency in > all their interviews, but I was a little surprised by the missed notes > and fumbled chords. I know that lots of members of this mailing list are Bauhaus fans. I think Peter Murphy's singing sounded dated already in the mid-80's. Love and Rockets never did anything really exciting to my taste. Even though I have some sympathy to old Bauhaus albums, and I think that some of them contain really great songs, I think this comparison between them and Wire is out of place, and even ridiculous. I can't find anything to connect these bands together except for the fact that they both operated along the same time. Anyway, the "loosest" Wire period / lineup will sound to me better than the tightest Bauhaus gig. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 10:29:37 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: Washington show report. > I am just making an observation NOT introducing my politics on the > list, was that > there were quite a few people that I spotted from the Wire show > in the opposition > group to million mom march on sunday. > What was the million mom march about? giluz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 10:29:34 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: Americans and Marxism > > When the Clash first toured the U.S., I guess "I'm So Bored with > the U.S.A" > received a rousing response. It's a funny thing about these > radical and/or > political English groups: They tour the States, see what the country is > really about, and either start incorporating American music styles into > their songs (rockabilly, jazz, blues) or they up and move here (Johnny > "Rotten" Lydon currently resides in LA; Andy Gill worked as a Record > Company PR guy here, etc.). > > Why do you think that is? > 1. Most new trends in rock music had their roots in America, from rockabilly to punk. 2. US is where the big money is. 3. Brits have this fascination with America (just as lots of Americans are fascinated by England) 4. US is a big place. I mean, I remember being amazed at how uncommercial bands like My Bloody Valentine could still perform to an audience of a few thousands in London. For me, being from a small country with a very mainstream oriented music industry (Israel), it was really amazing. I imagine that in the US you can even get bigger numbers. 5. All of this is strictly theoretic since I've never been there. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 09:07:11 +0100 From: Stuart Fairbrother Subject: RE: Leicester City: a clarification There are at least two Leicester City season ticket holders on this list. I am one. In the last four seasons Leicester are one of only 5 teams to finish in the top ten in each season, 2 League Cup wins, 1 runner-up, and playing European football for the 2nd season in three. Even the London based media had started to recognise that we have a talented and hardworking team and of course the best manager in the country, yet it seems that there are still blinkered individuals who have to follow the now clichéd boring boring Leicester tag. Was it being workmanlike and dour that meant Leicester knocked Leeds out of the League Cup two seasons running and put paid to the championship hopes by beating them convincingly and starting the rot that set in thereafter. No, it was being the better side. That said - David O'Leary, top man, and I'm glad Leeds got third place (no little thanks to a certain dour performance by Leicester at Anfield two weeks ago eh?). And all the best to Arsenal in Copenhagen on Wednesday, lister Paul Rabjohn is over there supporting the Gooners. - -----Original Message----- From: MarkBursa@aol.com [mailto:MarkBursa@aol.com] Sent: 16 May 2000 00:35 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Leicester City: a clarification I'd just like to make it clear that I am in no way a Leicester fan - but I quite admire their qualities of over-achievement - improbable cup wins through workmanlike, dour performances. It's a bit like, say, an Inspiral Carpets roadie making a million selling album. Unlikley but...er...what's that you say???? Mark (Leeds, to answer the obvious question) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 03:11:02 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: RE: cranky Boston show review First Kent, then Gil: >> 2. Bruce never faced the audience. Not once. I don't expect him to >> dance around and swing his arms like Pete Townshend, but he acted like >> he was there against his will, and was pretty pissed about it. >> >> 3. Colin never really connected with the crowd. Yes, I know that's >> very much "in character" for Wire, but we were all psyched to be there, >> and it was as if he didn't care. > >All of this - not playing audience fabourites and not noticing the audience >is one of the things that makes me love Wire so much. It's also a Wire >trademark. I'll pretty much second this as well as most of the things Gil said afterwards. I remember one of the UK press reviews of the RFH gig -- forget which one now -- mentioned that the '78 ROCKPALAST footage showed the band at their best, and that the Wire that took the stage that evening was cold and bored. This puzzled me to no end, because years and fashion aside, the 1978 Wire was *exactly* the same in stage presence and demeanor as the 2000 version. Strangely, I've never taken it as though Wire doesn't care about the audience -- it's always struck me that they want the sounds and their conviction to carry the show, and that if they put enough into that endeavor, the audience will follow. This isn't the same as "not caring," not by a longshot. The aim seems to be to elevate rather than to humiliate, and that's a world of difference. They take what they do seriously. They don't talk to the crowd much. Bruce stands that way and concentrates on his playing. They lay out the sounds for you to take or leave, and they do exactly what they want. You want the singalong, well, you've come to the wrong show, laddie, and there are lots of other worthy folks (to name a disparate three, Blur, Springsteen, and Parliament/Funkadelic) who can deliver that for you if that's what you require in a live show. This is Wire. later, Miles ====================================================== Miles Goosens UNlimited edition R. Stevie Moore CDs now available! http://www.rsteviemoore.com My personal website http://www.mindspring.com/~outdoorminer/miles "If a million people say a stupid thing, it is still a stupid thing." -- Anatole France ====================================================== ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #142 *******************************