From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #118 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, May 4 2000 Volume 03 : Number 118 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re:Paul Haig/Billy MacKenzie ["MackDaddyD" ] Wire in SF ["giluz" ] FW: Wire in SF ["giluz" ] Wire in SF [ajwells@ix.netcom.com] expensive hobby [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re: Wire in SF [Brian Barnett ] Re: Wire in SF [fernando ] Live Wire [Creatured ] Sorry/Jah Wobble 12" [Creatured ] RE: Sorry/Jah Wobble 12" ["giluz" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 08:13:51 -0500 From: "MackDaddyD" Subject: Re:Paul Haig/Billy MacKenzie > Is Paul Haig still active? Sure. He has his own label (doesn't everyone these days?) called Rhythm of Life and recently released an album with vocals by the late, great Billy MacKenzie. http://www.rolinc.co.uk/ Incidentally, as I think I have mentioned here B4, the Associates early catalog is slated for reissue by V2 beginning with the original UK version (yippee!) of Sulk in June. http://www.billymackenzie.com/ David - Fists clenched in anticipation of 5/10 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 16:29:43 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: Wire in SF Has anyone been to yesterday's gig in SF? I mean, this is a Wire mailing list, and althtough it's quite nice to hear and debate about everyone's other musical tastes, I would expect to hear comments about any gig, just as there was a long discussion about the RFH gig. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 16:38:00 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: FW: Wire in SF - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On Behalf Of giluz Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 4:30 PM To: IdealCopy Subject: Wire in SF >I would expect to hear comments about any gig, just as there was a long discussion about the RFH >gig. Of course I meant any Wire gig and not any other. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 09:05:03 -0700 From: ajwells@ix.netcom.com Subject: Wire in SF Whew... what an exhilarating show!! Hopefully my ears will open up in another day or so... The Great American Music Hall is a fantastic place to see any band, Wire in particular... in Colins' words, its "amazingly roccoco" and smaller than tonights second SF venue, The Fillmore... I arrived partway into Matmos' set... they did some intriguing sonic exploration, and at times Graham and Bruce actually came out and listened to their set from the side of the stage, but the prospect of two guys hunched over laptops fiddling with mice and touchpads is one that I'm getting pretty bored with... anyway they were politely short, and luckily their minimal set up broke down in minutes... the lights came up... and then after a short while those familiar harmonics began to ring out of the speakers... a drifting wall of feedback that faded as three middle aged (and one OLD) men came out onstage weilding guitars... the harmonic feedback softened and Mr Gotobed clicked off a count of four and... This galvanizing, tight, precise, powerful noise poured out of the monitors... those hairs on the back of my neck stood all the way up and stayed there for some time... while they were playing 20 something year old material, there was no trace of nostalgia, reference or any of the things that you come to expect in todays ideally copied culture... it was just pure, beautiful noise that kept you completely in the moment, as the band themselves were... Reports of them seeming uninvolved onstage make no sense after seeing the show last night... Colin was spry and played a fantastic spangly guitar, and his vocals were clear as a bell... Bruce did his usual history teacher in front of the class pose, but his guitar sounded absolutely fantastic... brutally loud but completely precise... Graham was probably the most animated, doing backing and leads with aggression... and his bass playing was muscular and melodic... Robert was the key link for me though... his metronome simplicity has to be among the most underrated time signatures in rock... he has lost absolutely nothing, and his playing was on the very high level set by the rest of the band... for some reason, although I have loved the past decade or so of technological advances and a lot of computer-influenced music in general, seeing everything stripped back to basics seems more modern now than anything... no fiddling around with monitors or hiding behind disembodied, appropriated sound... just the movement of muscles and fingers and the resulting howl... I can see why younger bands have been reluctant to follow them at festivals I wont go through the set list... it was similar to what you have read from the other shows... more 80s choices than I would have expected though... they came back out and did 12xu and then a drawn out Drill that was absolutely FANTASTIC... even at their age, this has to be one of the most physical bands I've ever experienced... more so than the Gang Of Four in their heyday... I had kept my expectations low, but I had an absolutely incredible time... if my ears rebound today I will try and get into the Fillmore tonight Aj ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 18:02:52 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: expensive hobby well i've been playing on ebay , dangerous to the old piggy bank i'm afraid. first i got (cheap) a 3-track us promo of he said "could you". 3 versions ; normal lp cut , us edit and german edit. the german version is much shorter and the rhythm track kicks in from the start. the us version is very different , proper played drums rather than the tinny drum machine. interesting disc , comes in a plain card sleeve with a red/white sticker on. i guess these 2 edits are unavailable elsewhere? but it gets worse. some guy put up a copy of the dominoe and not about to die bootleg lp's. i went in at the minimum on dominoe and got it , nobody else bidded. however , the natd went ballistic , some japanese guy bought it for $71 (ouch!). as you might have guessed , this bought another copy instantly onto the market and i won that for less than half the first one. and now yet another one is up there , it was at about $20 this morning if anyone's interested. so its beans on toast for me now , these 2 records better arrive on one piece....... p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 10:25:09 -0700 From: Brian Barnett Subject: Re: Wire in SF Colin playing a Dan Electro whew. ajwells@ix.netcom.com wrote: > Whew... what an exhilarating show!! Hopefully my ears will open up in > another day or so... > > The Great American Music Hall is a fantastic place to see any band, Wire > in particular... in Colins' words, its "amazingly roccoco" and smaller > than tonights second SF venue, The Fillmore... I arrived partway into > Matmos' set... they did some intriguing sonic exploration, and at times > Graham and Bruce actually came out and listened to their set from the > side of the stage, but the prospect of two guys hunched over laptops > fiddling with mice and touchpads is one that I'm getting pretty bored > with... anyway they were politely short, and luckily their minimal set > up broke down in minutes... the lights came up... and then after a short > while those familiar harmonics began to ring out of the speakers... a > drifting wall of feedback that faded as three middle aged (and one OLD) > men came out onstage weilding guitars... the harmonic feedback softened > and Mr Gotobed clicked off a count of four and... > > This galvanizing, tight, precise, powerful noise poured out of the > monitors... those hairs on the back of my neck stood all the way up and > stayed there for some time... while they were playing 20 something year > old material, there was no trace of nostalgia, reference or any of the > things that you come to expect in todays ideally copied culture... it > was just pure, beautiful noise that kept you completely in the moment, > as the band themselves were... > > Reports of them seeming uninvolved onstage make no sense after seeing > the show last night... Colin was spry and played a fantastic spangly > guitar, and his vocals were clear as a bell... Bruce did his usual > history teacher in front of the class pose, but his guitar sounded > absolutely fantastic... brutally loud but completely precise... Graham > was probably the most animated, doing backing and leads with > aggression... and his bass playing was muscular and melodic... Robert > was the key link for me though... his metronome simplicity has to be > among the most underrated time signatures in rock... he has lost > absolutely nothing, and his playing was on the very high level set by > the rest of the band... for some reason, although I have loved the past > decade or so of technological advances and a lot of computer-influenced > music in general, seeing everything stripped back to basics seems more > modern now than anything... no fiddling around with monitors or hiding > behind disembodied, appropriated sound... just the movement of muscles > and fingers and the resulting howl... I can see why younger bands have > been reluctant to follow them at festivals > > I wont go through the set list... it was similar to what you have read > from the other shows... more 80s choices than I would have expected > though... they came back out and did 12xu and then a drawn out Drill > that was absolutely FANTASTIC... even at their age, this has to be one > of the most physical bands I've ever experienced... more so than the > Gang Of Four in their heyday... I had kept my expectations low, but I > had an absolutely incredible time... if my ears rebound today I will try > and get into the Fillmore tonight > > Aj ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 11:05:32 -0700 From: fernando Subject: Re: Wire in SF At 10:25 AM 5/3/00, Brian Barnett wrote: >ajwells@ix.netcom.com wrote: > > > Whew... what an exhilarating show!! Hopefully my ears will open up in > > another day or so... I was mesmerized by the show as well... the sound could have been a bit better, in that even Colin's vocals were somewhat distorted... > > This galvanizing, tight, precise, powerful noise poured out of the > > monitors... those hairs on the back of my neck stood all the way up and > > stayed there for some time... while they were playing 20 something year > > old material, there was no trace of nostalgia, reference or any of the > > things that you come to expect in todays ideally copied culture... it > > was just pure, beautiful noise that kept you completely in the moment, > > as the band themselves were... This was, indeed, the most revealing and wonderful part of the show. The punk stuff, if you want to call it that, retained the urgency of all those years ago, but did not have the ephemeral chaos of '77... thus making last night's songs and sound very suited for today... meaning, that they were able to translate the music from then to now, without any loss of power... or without the signature of any particular Wire period -- just AMAZING! Even more powerful, was the ease with which the early and mid period Wire songs blended... that was pure magic... Pink Flag into Silk Skin Paws into 40 Versions into Boiling Boy. WOW!!! > > > > Reports of them seeming uninvolved onstage make no sense after seeing > > the show last night... Colin was spry and played a fantastic spangly > > guitar, and his vocals were clear as a bell... Bruce did his usual > > history teacher in front of the class pose, but his guitar sounded > > absolutely fantastic... brutally loud but completely precise... Graham > > was probably the most animated, doing backing and leads with > > aggression... and his bass playing was muscular and melodic... Robert > > was the key link for me though... his metronome simplicity has to be > > among the most underrated time signatures in rock... he has lost > > absolutely nothing, and his playing was on the very high level set by > > the rest of the band... I doubt that there are many bands this long into their history that can do what they did last night... stage presence was just right... Colin and Graham showed all the needed enthusiasm that went with the music... and the music and the re-working of the songs is what came through. I also thought that Robert was in top form... but it is hard to leave the others far behind... it was truly the sum greater than the parts... >if my ears rebound today I will try > > and get into the Fillmore tonight I will be there... hopefully, the sound will be a little more clear... my recording was not very good -- MD with no recording level control -- but the Fillmore is harder to record with more frisking of bags and persons (my Mic is way too big to easily conceal... unless I do a Boogie Nights kind of a thing). - -fernando ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 11:40:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Creatured Subject: Live Wire Did anyone tape any of the shows on this tour yet? I would like to get a copy. Ask for my list. Rick __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 12:30:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Creatured Subject: Sorry/Jah Wobble 12" I got a song by Jah Wobble on tape that i have been trying to find out the name and which record it is on since the early eighties or whenever it came out,i think it is 82 to 83 era. I thought it might be from a four song 12" Ep that has four versions of the same song,but i cant remember why i thought this. The song has a middle eastern sound and some dub effects on it. It has pretty standard Jah bass sound to it. The backing vocals have a middle eastern sound to them. This might be one of the collobrations with Holger Czukay as it sounds a little like the Full Circle that Holger,Jah & Jaki put out around that time.It also has some horns playing on it too,i believe a trumpet. I have this song on tape from a radio station(101.9 WDET) that is fading out a little,so i would really like to get the vinyl of it as i really love this song. Thanks for any help anyone can give in advance,Rick __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 10:42:20 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: Sorry/Jah Wobble 12" I've got a 12" Jah Wobble-Holger Czukay - Jaki Liebezet collaboration (not Full Circle) that sounds just like what you're describing - typical Wobble bass line and vocals with Czukay's french horns. I forgot what it's called - I'll have to look for it at home - but I remembered that it had lots of guest musicians including The Edge, and was much more funky than Full Circle. I can tape it for you to regular analogue cassette or to mini-disc if you want. By the way, does anyone know if Can's Landed and Flow Motion were ever released on CD? By the time it took me to write this message the name of the 12" popped into my head - it was called Snake Charmer (I think). giluz > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org > [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Creatured > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 9:30 PM > To: idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: Sorry/Jah Wobble 12" > > > I got a song by Jah Wobble on tape that i have been trying to find out > the name and which record it is on since the early eighties or whenever > it came out,i think it is 82 to 83 era. I thought it might be from a > four song 12" Ep that has four versions of the same song,but i cant > remember why i thought this. > The song has a middle eastern sound and some dub effects on it. It > has pretty standard Jah bass sound to it. The backing vocals have a > middle eastern sound to them. This might be one of the collobrations > with Holger Czukay as it sounds a little like the Full Circle that > Holger,Jah & Jaki put out around that time.It also has some horns > playing on it too,i believe a trumpet. > I have this song on tape from a radio station(101.9 WDET) that is > fading out a little,so i would really like to get the vinyl of it as i > really love this song. > Thanks for any help anyone can give in advance,Rick > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #118 *******************************