From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #114 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, April 29 2000 Volume 03 : Number 114 Today's Subjects: ----------------- You want full circle.... [MarkBursa@aol.com] SPK [Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk] Re: Clock DVA ["Wilson, Paul" ] RE: Clock DVA [Jorge Punaro ] Re: speaking of the banshees... [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re: SPK ["tube disaster" ] Re: Re[14]: devo (was:factory fest (tunnelvision/acr/crispie ["tube disas] Re: Re[2]: Twopenneth on the Fall [John Roberts ] Re: factory fest (tunnelvision/acr/crispies) [John Roberts ] Re: speaking of the banshees... ["Stephen Jackson" ] Re: all tomorrow's parties [Brian Barnett ] Re: speaking of the banshees... ["tube disaster" ] Re: singles ["tube disaster" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 07:00:26 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: You want full circle.... Paul, << HEY! this brings us back to clock dva (who started this whole off-topic run in the first place!). i saw the john carruthers banshee line-up. enjoyable show. it was on halloween, if memory serves right. >> The off topic started when someone asked if anyone could recommend a few bands, one of which was the Comsat Angels. We ended up at the Box/Clock DVA. Recently Box vocalist Peter Hope has been rehearsing/recording with....the Comsat Angels (minus Steve Fellows).... Well, they're all from Sheffield so it's not that odd! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 13:32:13 +0100 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: SPK Graeme Revell must be making a packet over in Hollywood. He must do at least 20 soundtracks each year. That's a lot of money and a huge change of direction from what he was doing with SPK. Sorry to be so far off topic! Chris. Papa M tonight at the Garage..... "ian barrett" on 27/04/2000 20:11:13 To: idealcopy@smoe.org, stuart@tudor-rose.co.uk cc: (bcc: Chris Ray/Finance/MEDAS) Subject: Re: Re[13]: factory fest (tunnelvision/acr/crispies) Re Devo - I'd pretty much concur with most of what's been said about Devo in recent discussion here; a couple of good albums and then a progressive downward spiral into blandness. They certainly had their moments in the early days though, and were good value live. I think they're still kind of sporadically active as a unit (although I drew something of a line after Oh No It's Devo). Mark Mothersbaugh is making a mint doing soundtracks... Which links in to SPK, Stuart is spot on in his comments below. I met Graeme Revell a couple of times in the mid eighties, and he attempted to rationalise the direction that SPK were taking in terms of capturing the new fans with the Junk Funk type stuff and then carrying them back to more extreme territory (a la Leichenschrei etc). I could be wrong but he seemed a little abashed. Anyway, he too is currently making a stack with mainstream Hollywood movie soundtracks, and good luck to him, I say. Back on to Wire - is the editor of an early eighties English fanzine called BLAM! on this list? I ask because one issue carried a reasonable length interview with Colin Newman, just after he'd been dropped by 4AD. If I can track my copy down, if anybody is interested, if it's not already been thrown in and if said editor has no objections, I'll maybe do a transcript to the list... Ian - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 12:06 PM Subject: Re[13]: factory fest (tunnelvision/acr/crispies) From Stuart so many bands doing this stuff have ended up doing limp funk workouts , a great example being spk whose "junk funk" was a classic example of an interesting act blanding out and falling dismally between 2 stools. > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 14:08:43 +0100 From: "Wilson, Paul" Subject: Re: Clock DVA Don't rush out and spend your cash on old Clock DVA records. The following is from the Clock DVA website: "It should be noted that the entire ClockDVA back catalogue will be officially re-released later this year on an English label of integrity and quality. All the re-issues will be fully sanctioned and digitally remastered with the full co-operation of Adi Newton and all former DVA members. The re-issues will include additional bonus tracks previously unreleased. Any ClockDVA fan would be wise to wait for these releases than purchasing one of the inferior unsanctioned releases from Next Era / KK Records." Paul KW ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 09:40:31 -0600 From: Jorge Punaro Subject: RE: Clock DVA Mute Records is the english label that will re-release the Clock DVA back catalogue. Saludos Jorge - -----Mensaje original----- De: Wilson, Paul Para: 'Idealcopy Submissions' Fecha: Viernes, 28 de Abril de 2000 07:11 a.m. Asunto: Re: Clock DVA >Don't rush out and spend your cash on old Clock DVA records. The following >is from the Clock DVA website: > >"It should be noted that the entire ClockDVA back catalogue will be >officially re-released later this year on an English label of integrity and >quality. All the re-issues will be fully sanctioned and digitally remastered >with the full co-operation of Adi Newton and all former DVA members. The >re-issues will include additional bonus tracks previously unreleased. Any >ClockDVA fan would be wise to wait for these releases than purchasing one of >the inferior unsanctioned releases from Next Era / KK Records." > >Paul KW > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 16:05:53 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re: speaking of the banshees... Which begs the question -- anyone know whatever became of John MacKay after he & Kenny Morris (another whatever-happened-to?) jumped ship at the outset of that tour supporting (if memory serves) Join Hands, after which Robert Smith & Budgie were brought on board, kicking off a long Banshees revolving-guitarist tradition? Dan >>>> ooh , another side-track. second gig i ever went to was the banshees supported by the cure in mid-79 , about the third-from-last gig mckay & morris played. utterly brilliant , i thought those 2 were so cool. mckay stood so far at the back of the stage he was virtually in the dressing room. i quite liked their pop stuff but for me i never loved them in the same way as those first 2 albums. (incidentally i also preferred the early cure in their "we don't have an image" days. v-neck jumpers over t-shirts and jeans , 3 imaginary boys , great stuff). m&m then did nothing for about 10 years , then both put just one single out and nothing since. mckay formed a band called "zor gabor" , a sort of goth sound with a female singer (good idea that). very much what you'd expect , i liked it but it didn't make much impression (can't recall the exact tracks but it was a 3tr 12" on intape , i've got it). the kenny morris single was on ptv's label , a 12" called "le main morte". very arty , i bought it but wasn't too impressed. neither was followed up as far as i know. recently they've appeared on a couple of punk retro shows , mckay looking the same but very thin , morris just the same as ever. both looked sad at how it had all went. they seemed to have buried the hatchet with siouxsie finally , the impression was she is a bit scary as an enemy... p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 08:40:26 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: SPK Must be. I believe he did the soundtrack for one of the flicks I saw at the 50-cent theatre Tue night, The Green Mile or Girl Interrupted ... except that when the credits rolled I couldn't place his name & thought he must be that guy from ... Blur? ... Graham Coxon, who stepped out & did some instrumental stuff for the soundtrack for, IIRC, the X-Files movie a year or 2 ago. Dan > >Graeme Revell must be making a packet over in Hollywood. He must do at >least 20 soundtracks each year. That's a lot of money and a huge change of >direction from what he was doing with SPK. >Sorry to be so far off topic! > >Chris. > >Papa M tonight at the Garage..... > > > > >"ian barrett" on 27/04/2000 20:11:13 > >To: idealcopy@smoe.org, stuart@tudor-rose.co.uk >cc: (bcc: Chris Ray/Finance/MEDAS) > >Subject: Re: Re[13]: factory fest (tunnelvision/acr/crispies) > > > > >Re Devo - I'd pretty much concur with most of what's been said about Devo >in >recent discussion here; a couple of good albums and then a progressive >downward spiral into blandness. They certainly had their moments in the >early days though, and were good value live. I think they're still kind of >sporadically active as a unit (although I drew something of a line after Oh >No It's Devo). Mark Mothersbaugh is making a mint doing soundtracks... >Which links in to SPK, Stuart is spot on in his comments below. I met >Graeme Revell a couple of times in the mid eighties, and he attempted to >rationalise the direction that SPK were taking in terms of capturing the >new >fans with the Junk Funk type stuff and then carrying them back to more >extreme territory (a la Leichenschrei etc). I could be wrong but he seemed >a little abashed. Anyway, he too is currently making a stack with >mainstream Hollywood movie soundtracks, and good luck to him, I say. >Back on to Wire - is the editor of an early eighties English fanzine called >BLAM! on this list? I ask because one issue carried a reasonable length >interview with Colin Newman, just after he'd been dropped by 4AD. If I can >track my copy down, if anybody is interested, if it's not already been >thrown in and if said editor has no objections, I'll maybe do a transcript >to the list... >Ian >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: ; >Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 12:06 PM >Subject: Re[13]: factory fest (tunnelvision/acr/crispies) > >From Stuart > so many bands doing this stuff have ended up doing limp funk workouts , a >great example being spk whose "junk funk" was a classic example of an >interesting act blanding out and falling dismally between 2 stools. >> >> > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 08:46:12 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: Re[14]: devo (was:factory fest (tunnelvision/acr/crispie >Devo Live: The Mongoloid Years is also well worth looking into, as it's from the same early era (4 from Cleveland 10/31/75, 4 from Akron 12/76, 9 from Max's Kansas City 5/77). I lost interest about halfway through Freedom of Choice -- now, if only Girluwant had been the hit instead of Whip It ... oh, well. Dan >>>> did you hear the robert palmer version of guw? p< Good lord, no. Had no idea he'd ever done it. I picked up one of his 3 days ago in a 15-LPs-for-$10 grab just for the novelty value of hearing him do Gary Numan's I Dream of Wires (from ... Telekon?) with Mr Webb on keyboards ... Dan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 16:41:07 +0100 (BST) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: Re[2]: Twopenneth on the Fall You've got the right gig. Damned headlined. Also on bill, New Model Army, Benjamin Zephaniah and Brilliant. John Roberts On Thu, 20 Apr 2000 paul.rabjohn@ssab.com wrote: > > Pretty sure I was at thet Brixton gig. I seem to remember the bill including Spear of Destiny and Strawberry Switchblade (!!) > >>>>> excellent combination. i can imagine mes and kirk brandon getting on really well together backstage..... p > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 16:45:32 +0100 (BST) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: factory fest (tunnelvision/acr/crispies) > What did the VeeVV (if I'm remembering the name correctly) stuff sound like? I think I saw these support Marc Riley and Yeah Yeah Noh in Leeds once. If so, they were pretty nondescript. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 12:04:04 EDT From: Comerandy@aol.com Subject: all tomorrow's parties can someone please re-send the url for the all tomorrow's parties site? thanks ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 18:49:02 +0100 From: "Stephen Jackson" Subject: Re: speaking of the banshees... >Which begs the question -- anyone know whatever became of John MacKay after he & Kenny Morris (another whatever-happened-to?) jumped ship at the outset of that tour supporting (if memory serves) Join Hands, after which Robert Smith & Budgie were brought on board, kicking off a long Banshees revolving-guitarist tradition? After MacKay left, the Banshees used Steve Jones, before nicking John McGeoch from Magazine as a permanent replacement. Smith didn't arrive til Hyaena IIRC... Steve. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I'll leave graffiti where you've never been kissed. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 18:51:08 +0100 From: "Stephen Jackson" Subject: Re: speaking of the banshees... >After MacKay left, the Banshees used Steve Jones, before nicking John >McGeoch from Magazine as a permanent replacement. Smith didn't arrive til >Hyaena IIRC... Just thought....did Smith play for a bit and then bugger off, only later to return....Either ways, McGeoch was the best guitarist the Banshees ever had... Steve. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I'll leave graffiti where you've never been kissed. - -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Jackson To: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com ; Ideal Copy Date: 28 April 2000 18:49 Subject: Re: speaking of the banshees... >>Which begs the question -- anyone know whatever became of John MacKay after >he & Kenny Morris (another whatever-happened-to?) jumped ship at the outset >of that tour supporting (if memory serves) Join Hands, after which Robert >Smith & Budgie were brought on board, kicking off a long Banshees >revolving-guitarist tradition? > > >Steve. >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >I'll leave graffiti where you've never been kissed. >- > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 15:48:21 -0700 From: Brian Barnett Subject: Re: all tomorrow's parties http://www.alltomorrowsparties.co.uk/ with the added bonus of inertia http://www.inertiatour.com/ Comerandy@aol.com wrote: > can someone please re-send the url for the all tomorrow's parties site? > thanks ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 12:59:10 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: speaking of the banshees... >>After MacKay left, the Banshees used Steve Jones, before nicking John >>McGeoch from Magazine as a permanent replacement. Smith didn't arrive til >>Hyaena IIRC... > >Just thought....did Smith play for a bit and then bugger off, only later to >return....Either ways, McGeoch was the best guitarist the Banshees ever >had... > >Steve. Yep, that's what happened. After MacKay vanished, Smith played the rest of their tour dates (on which The Cure were opening anyway), then went back to his own band full-time (except for doing The Glove with Steve Severin). He returned in time for Hyaena & the shows represented on Nocturne. Dan >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >I'll leave graffiti where you've never been kissed. >-----Original Message----- >From: Stephen Jackson >To: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com ; Ideal Copy > >Date: 28 April 2000 18:49 >Subject: Re: speaking of the banshees... > > >>>Which begs the question -- anyone know whatever became of John MacKay >after >>he & Kenny Morris (another whatever-happened-to?) jumped ship at the outset >>of that tour supporting (if memory serves) Join Hands, after which Robert >>Smith & Budgie were brought on board, kicking off a long Banshees >>revolving-guitarist tradition? >> > >> >>Steve. >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>I'll leave graffiti where you've never been kissed. >>- >> > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 13:51:48 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: singles Probably this matter has been addressed before & simply escaped my attention, in which case I apologize ... Anyway, in checking for "Wir" on CD Zone's sight this afternoon, I came across something I didn't recognize -- namely, CD singles of A Big Glue Canal (CDMUTE132 ... in Craig's discography, MUTE132 is the remix of Gilbert's Ab Ovo) & Over and Over (TONE8). I initially assumed that since I don't recognize the song title Over and Over, there must be another band called Wir ... except that TONE8 is also the the desingation for the Vien single (which I also need to obtain). (Potentially complicating matters is the fact that a 12", First Last Number, is attributed to "Wir 30" by CDZone & identified as TONE5.) Anyone able to shed any light on any of this? Dan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 14:09:04 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: singles Whoops ... Duh. I see that The First Last Letter is the Hafler Trio release ... Dan >Probably this matter has been addressed before & simply escaped my >attention, in which case I apologize ... Anyway, in checking for "Wir" on CD >Zone's sight this afternoon, I came across something I didn't recognize -- >namely, CD singles of A Big Glue Canal (CDMUTE132 ... in Craig's >discography, MUTE132 is the remix of Gilbert's Ab Ovo) & Over and Over >(TONE8). I initially assumed that since I don't recognize the song title >Over and Over, there must be another band called Wir ... except that TONE8 >is also the the desingation for the Vien single (which I also need to >obtain). (Potentially complicating matters is the fact that a 12", First >Last Number, is attributed to "Wir 30" by CDZone & identified as TONE5.) > >Anyone able to shed any light on any of this? > >Dan > ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #114 *******************************