From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #113 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, April 28 2000 Volume 03 : Number 113 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re[11]: factory fest (tunnelvision/acr/crispies) [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] RE: Re[11]: factory fest (tunnelvision/acr/crispies) [Stuart Fairbrother ] RE: idealcopy-digest V3 #110 ["giluz" ] RE: Hard to find Fall and Wire ["giluz" ] RE: Mark E. Smith collaboration ["giluz" ] Re[13]: factory fest (tunnelvision/acr/crispies) [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re: 5/2 San Francisco show ["Steve Skeletals" ] RE: MP3 audio/CDs [Wireviews ] RE: MP3 audio/CDs ["giluz" ] The Channel (was Wire in Boston) ["A. Izenstark" ] Graham Lewis interview [Wireviews ] Re: Re[13]: factory fest (tunnelvision/acr/crispies) ["ian barrett" ] Re: DEVO [BillyD ] Re: DEVO ["tube disaster" ] Re: Re[12]: devo (was:factory fest (tunnelvision/acr/crispies) ["tube dis] devowendyospkblixawireopener [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: devowendyospkblixawireopener ["tube disaster" ] speaking of...bansheeshumanhandsiprdva...full circle? [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: Off topic show [Casper Milquetoast ] Re[14]: devo (was:factory fest (tunnelvision/acr/crispie [paul.rabjohn@ss] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 10:51:47 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[11]: factory fest (tunnelvision/acr/crispies) censored again! what i typed in was that the new devo track was on the south park soundtrack , but a big blank has appeared which makes it pretty impossible to get my original drift. is there a phil collins fan sitting at smoe.org sabotaging things in revenge for past disrespect? i think we should be told.....p Ah come on Paul, sidetrack to DEVO Ian (whose first gig was Devo at Newcastle City Hall in 1980 - hence softspot) >>>>>> well i can't resist that one. i was about 15/16 when devo first came over so i never got to see them , they were really big at my school. that 1980 gig would have been on the "whip it" tour i suppose , never played anywhere near where i was. after that they seemed to stay big in the us but never really had much profile in the uk and i don't think they played here until the early 90's when they did a very short tour for "smooth noodle maps". a bunch of my old school cronies all got together and went down to the town & country in homage. it was great to see them even though they were a bit fat and balding by then. they did a strange set ; most of the new album and "are we not men" and not much else. i think they split up shortly after but there was a track on the so maybe they've reformed (no i didn't buy it - anyone heard it?). i guess it's hard to imagine those devo guys driving taxis , must be a job for life.p ps i think there's a box set coming out pps "hard core vol 1" is a great cd. "hard core vol 2" is barrel scrapings.p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 10:23:19 +0100 From: Stuart Fairbrother Subject: RE: Re[11]: factory fest (tunnelvision/acr/crispies) You're not being censored Paul, honest. There was no 'big blank' on the original mail you sent to the list. At least not on the message I received. Dragged out my copy of the Reflex mag last night and found that I hadn't removed the flexi either, but I think it is safe to assume its the LP version of "Si tu attends". Scary to put the front cover of Reflex next to the front cover of recent The Wire mag. You are also responsible for TAG "Ha/Zulu" 12" getting an airing last night. Have you got the "Abstract" Magazines/LP compilations from the mid-eighties. They were pretty good. Sweatbox records were responsible for a lot of listenable Industrial Funk stuff around that time. Stu. - -----Original Message----- From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com [mailto:paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Sent: 27 April 2000 10:52 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re[11]: factory fest (tunnelvision/acr/crispies) censored again! what i typed in was that the new devo track was on the south park soundtrack , but a big blank has appeared which makes it pretty impossible to get my original drift. is there a phil collins fan sitting at smoe.org sabotaging things in revenge for past disrespect? i think we should be told.....p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 12:44:22 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: idealcopy-digest V3 #110 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On > Behalf Of Robert Jazz > * Had friggin' Brian Eno interested. He called Josh and left a message on > his answering machine (which he saved of course!!) I think Josh may have > gotten to meet Eno at some point. > * Had David Byrne check them out in N.Y. and express some interest. > Actually, there's a track on EBN's CD which was remixed by Eno. I thhink it's called "A Lad Insane", and Eno also plays a great synth solo on it. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 12:55:32 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: Hard to find Fall and Wire > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org > [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On Behalf Of MihokoMk@aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 10:20 PM > To: idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: Hard to find Fall and Wire > > > Just a thought - someone was after Shiftwork - if any of you lot > want me to > look out for particular hard to find titles in manchester's used record > stores then let me know. Well, yeah - I'm interested in the White Lightning CD-single, if you could get your hands on it. > The simple fact here is that CD's and records are too expensive. It is > possible to release a CD for a fiver - its just that after all > the middle men > (distributors, shops, tax) take their cut, the price gets drastically > inflated. Hard to avoid the tax part but if one cuts out the others then > music becomes more affordable. Isn't MP3 supposed to be killing CD sales? I remember that when CD's were first released, they said that their price will go down eventually. CD's were then more expensive than vinyl albums by 1-2 pounds. It didn't stop people from buying them and what finally happened was that the record companies found no reason to decrease prices, as CD's were selling so well. I'm afraid the same thing's gonna happen with MP3's, as Sony already announced that it's gonna sell its music via internet downloads. When the big names in the music industry start sticking their noses in, it will surely be used to the disadvantage of us consumers. The one positive thing that might come out of it is enabling independent record companies like Swim to reach more customers, to distribute more easily and eventually maybe sell cheaper CD's (don't get me wrong here - I'm not criticizing independent record labels for their high prices. As opposed to the big labels, these companies need every penny they could get for investing in their artists). giluz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 12:58:02 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: Mark E. Smith collaboration > > Fall fans out there might be interested in an up-coming Mark Smith > words/Mild > Man Jan music collaboration on one side of a magenta seven inch > in a limited > run of 500. Mild Man Jan provided the backbone of 'Mad.Men-Eng.Dog' for > Smith > to muddy up on 'The Marshall Suite.' Email mildmanjan@hotmail.com for more > info. > I tried querying about this in the e-mail you mentioned, but it was returned to me as "Host unknown". Was there a mistake in this address? Is there any other way I can find out about this collaboration? giluz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 12:06:40 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[13]: factory fest (tunnelvision/acr/crispies) You're not being censored Paul, honest. There was no 'big blank' on the original mail you sent to the list. At least not on the message I received. Dragged out my copy of the Reflex mag last night and found that I hadn't removed the flexi either, but I think it is safe to assume its the LP version of "Si tu attends". Scary to put the front cover of Reflex next to the front cover of recent The Wire mag. You are also responsible for TAG "Ha/Zulu" 12" getting an airing last night. Have you got the "Abstract" Magazines/LP compilations from the mid-eighties. They were pretty good. Sweatbox records were responsible for a lot of listenable Industrial Funk stuff around that time. Stu. >>>>> wonder what the devo track on the flip of "si tu attends" is like? looked like something pretty rare as i bought most of the devo stuff in the 80's and that track was new to me. but i thought i'd leave the magazine intact (for now). is "reflex" still going? i missed those abstract lp's , sound interesting. i do like industrial-type stuff but there's a perpetual problem ; to be good it needs to be dirty and rough. you try and commercialise it and you end up sounding like depeche mode (or even worse - hi trent - depeche mode meets guns n roses). so many bands doing this stuff have ended up doing limp funk workouts , a great example being spk whose "junk funk" was a classic example of an interesting act blanding out and falling dismally between 2 stools. i must add my piece on NIN. i saw them in b'ham maybe 1992 supported by the excellent wolfgang press who blew them off stage bigtime. i went expecting trent & co to be some really sleazy act and it was like some dire stadium rock show. the abiding memory was a pathetic cover of adam ant's "physical" which was slightly less menacing than "prince charming". i was standing at the back next to 2 of pwei who were pissing themselves at how limp it all was ; about 5 years later they signed to trent's label...... i know some people rate NIN but sorry , they stank the place out. now the wolfgang press , there's a band..... p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 03:41:01 -0700 From: "Steve Skeletals" Subject: Re: 5/2 San Francisco show >From: jasonmb@calweb.com >Does anyone know if you can buy tickets for the May 2 Great American show >online or by phone? Ticketmaster only has the May 3 Fillmore date listed >on their web site. > >My schedule will only allow me to go to the Great American show, and I'm >slightly concerned that I might not be able to get tickets. You can get tickets through BASS (phone orders 510-762-BASS) Purchase tickets online: http://www.ticketweb.com Order your tickets by fax. $1.50 service charge. V/MC only. 415-885-5075 Or purchase tickets at the box office for no service charge. 859 O'Farrell St. 415-885-0750 See you there... -- Steve http://home.earthlink.net/~skeletals/ "Do your friends and neighbours regard you as a threat? I'll just consume, be silent, and die." [J. Aston/M. Aston] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 05:00:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Wireviews Subject: RE: MP3 audio/CDs - --- giluz wrote: > I remember that when CD's were first released, > they said that their price will go down eventually. They also said that they were more or less indestructable. I remember seeing Tomorrow's World (a BBC popular science programme) that had the very first CDs demonstrated. They attacked them with knives and such-like, 'frisbeed' them across the studio -- and they still worked. 100%. Of course, by the time of general release, they were somewhat /less/ indestructable... [MP3] > When the big names in the music industry > start sticking their > noses in, it will surely be used to the disadvantage > of us consumers. That depends on what format they end up using. The most worrying scenario, which the likes of Sony are currently trying to push, is modifying MP3 (or something similar) into a time-limited file, so you would download them and only have the music for a limited time unless you pay more money. Now, I am against piracy, and the amount of illegal MP3s on the Internet is a problem, but tackling that by using destructive files is not the answer, as people will still be able to upload some format or other of illegal copies. > one positive thing that might come out of it is > enabling independent record > companies like Swim to reach more > customers, to > distribute more easily and > eventually maybe sell cheaper CD's Doubtful. Swim, like many other small labels, cannot sell very cheap CDs due to basic economic reasons. Five quid or so is a /break-even/ point, and many majors are happy to sell a certain amount of stuff at this level because it is balanced by their bigger acts selling at full-price (along with videos, etc). Also, they have the backing of other areas of their corporation in many cases. Indie labels do not have either option at their disposal. Selling at full-price is the only way they can make any cash! Also, majors probably don't care too much if an act fails, or sells only 25% of its stock. Again, that can be /very/ problematic for indie labels. Best, Craig Wireviews. ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://welcome.to/wireviews News, reviews and dugga. Snub.Comms: http://welcome.to/snub Veer Audio: http://listen.to/veer - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 15:43:03 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: MP3 audio/CDs > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org > [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Wireviews > Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 2:01 PM > To: idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: RE: MP3 audio/CDs > > > --- giluz wrote: > > I remember that when CD's were first released, > > they said that their price will go down eventually. > > They also said that they were more or less > indestructable. I remember seeing Tomorrow's World (a > BBC popular science programme) that had the very first > CDs demonstrated. They attacked them with knives and > such-like, 'frisbeed' them across the studio -- and > they still worked. 100%. Of course, by the time of > general release, they were somewhat /less/ > indestructable... Yeah - I remember the first CD demonstration programme I saw on TV - the guy took the CD, spread some butter and jam on it, put it in the CD player and the beginning of Genesis' Abacab started playing. Years later, Israelis still didn't get rid of the habit of testing their CD players like this. Giluz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 10:02:07 -0400 From: "A. Izenstark" Subject: The Channel (was Wire in Boston) The Channel is, unfortunately, long gone. It turned into some sort of strip club for a brief time around '92 or so, before it got demolished because it was in the way of the Big Dig. And the Paradise has seemingly met its demise, as well. Mostly because of underage drinking, apparently. The space is being reincarnated as a restaurant. Amanda ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 15:48:23 +0100 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: Fashion For those of you who helped me out; the Watchdog programme is on tonight. My partner should be lurking in the background. Chris. The Information in this communication is confidential and may be privileged and should be treated by the recipient accordingly. If you are not the intended recipient please notify me immediately. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 09:00:55 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: Hard to find Fall and Wire > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org >> [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On Behalf Of MihokoMk@aol.com >> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 10:20 PM >> To: idealcopy@smoe.org >> Subject: Hard to find Fall and Wire >> >> >> Just a thought - someone was after Shiftwork - if any of you lot >> want me to >> look out for particular hard to find titles in manchester's used record >> stores then let me know. > >Well, yeah - I'm interested in the White Lightning CD-single, if you could >get your hands on it. Whereas I finally broke down early this year & ordered the So & Slow It Grows CD single from a UK seller, but still don't know if they'll be able to dig up a copy. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 09:04:30 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: Re[10]: factory fest (tunnelvision/acr/crispies) >> p (resisting devo side-track opportunity) > > >Ah come on Paul, sidetrack to DEVO >Ian (whose first gig was Devo at Newcastle City Hall in 1980 - hence softspot) >>>>>>> well i can't resist that one. i was about 15/16 when devo first came over so i never got to see them , they were really big at my school. that 1980 gig would have been on the "whip it" tour i suppose , never played anywhere near where i was. after that they seemed to stay big in the us but never really had much profile in the Not really ... people stayed *aware* of them, but only as the (mis)perceived poster boys for all that was gimmicky & frivolous about New Wave. Commercially speaking, they were one-hit wonders, that one hit being, of course, Whip It. Too bad ... once upon a time I thought that Are We Not Men had probably inspired more punk covers than any other album, though I decided some time ago that that distinction had been usurped by Pink Flag. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 17:17:51 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: Hard to find Fall and Wire Whereas I finally broke down early this year & ordered the So & Slow It Grows CD single from a UK seller, but still don't know if they'll be able to dig up a copy. Dan >>>>> did you try mute bank? there's stacks of wire stuff (including a lot of solo items) still available. very little seems to get deleted , you might well be lucky with the SASIG cd (worth having ; 3 good bonus tracks).p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:19:25 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Re[10]: factory fest (tunnelvision/acr/crispies) Dan, << Not really ... people stayed *aware* of them, but only as the (mis)perceived poster boys for all that was gimmicky & frivolous about New Wave. >> That was certainly how I perceived them. Quite enjoyed them at first (remember being quite into them at school...) but I soon gave up. I'd completely lost interest by the time of Whip it...just lumped them (rightly or wrongly) in with other crap "quirky" American nooo wave like the Knack.... Doesn't really sound any better to these ears today. Just very dated, unlike some of the other bands we've been discussing recently.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 17:47:12 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[12]: factory fest (tunnelvision/acr/crispies) >>>>>>> well i can't resist that one. i was about 15/16 when devo first came over so i never got to see them , they were really big at my school. that 1980 gig would have been on the "whip it" tour i suppose , never played anywhere near where i was. after that they seemed to stay big in the us but never really had much profile in the Not really ... people stayed *aware* of them, but only as the (mis)perceived poster boys for all that was gimmicky & frivolous about New Wave. Commercially speaking, they were one-hit wonders, that one hit being, of course, Whip It. Too bad ... once upon a time I thought that Are We Not Men had probably inspired more punk covers than any other album, though I decided some time ago that that distinction had been usurped by Pink Flag. Dan >>>> i recall an interview with kurt cobain where he talked at length about devo as really influential as one of the very few "alternative" acts to go mainstream in the early 80's. whereas in the uk they certainly weren't seen that way but rather as a "quirky" american act (like the b-52's , tubes etc). after "whip it" they got very little exposure here and never seemed too concerned to change that. p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 17:51:59 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[12]: factory fest (tunnelvision/acr/crispies) .. Doesn't really sound any better to these ears today. Just very dated, unlike some of the other bands we've been discussing recently.... Mark >>>> true , like so much 80's stuff the production kind of locks it into that era. i guess most people here would like the rougher early stuff if anything , the "hard core vol 1" probably is worth a listen for the sort of primitive home made electronics they messed around with in 75-77. but stuff like freedom of choice/new traditionalists/oh no its devo just get progressively blander as they lost the original "weirdness" . p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 10:17:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Wireviews Subject: Re: (Not) hard to find Wire - --- tube disaster > Whereas I finally broke down early this year & > ordered the So & Slow It > Grows CD single from a UK seller, but still don't > know if they'll be able to > dig up a copy. Anyone after UK Wir(e) releases from their second period can get them all from Mute's web-site. Go to http://www.mute.co.uk/store.htm and search for Wire. Ideal Copy and Bell are currently on sale and even most of the 7" and 12" stuff is still in stock... Craig Wireviews. ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://welcome.to/wireviews News, reviews and dugga. Snub.Comms: http://welcome.to/snub Veer Audio: http://listen.to/veer - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 10:36:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Wireviews Subject: Graham Lewis interview If you haven't seen it yet, check out http://www.playlouder.com/feature/18/#vids This site features a set of QuickTime interviews with Graham Lewis taken at ATP. Craig Wireviews. ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://welcome.to/wireviews News, reviews and dugga. Snub.Comms: http://welcome.to/snub Veer Audio: http://listen.to/veer - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 20:11:13 +0100 From: "ian barrett" Subject: Re: Re[13]: factory fest (tunnelvision/acr/crispies) Re Devo - I'd pretty much concur with most of what's been said about Devo in recent discussion here; a couple of good albums and then a progressive downward spiral into blandness. They certainly had their moments in the early days though, and were good value live. I think they're still kind of sporadically active as a unit (although I drew something of a line after Oh No It's Devo). Mark Mothersbaugh is making a mint doing soundtracks... Which links in to SPK, Stuart is spot on in his comments below. I met Graeme Revell a couple of times in the mid eighties, and he attempted to rationalise the direction that SPK were taking in terms of capturing the new fans with the Junk Funk type stuff and then carrying them back to more extreme territory (a la Leichenschrei etc). I could be wrong but he seemed a little abashed. Anyway, he too is currently making a stack with mainstream Hollywood movie soundtracks, and good luck to him, I say. Back on to Wire - is the editor of an early eighties English fanzine called BLAM! on this list? I ask because one issue carried a reasonable length interview with Colin Newman, just after he'd been dropped by 4AD. If I can track my copy down, if anybody is interested, if it's not already been thrown in and if said editor has no objections, I'll maybe do a transcript to the list... Ian - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 12:06 PM Subject: Re[13]: factory fest (tunnelvision/acr/crispies) From Stuart so many bands doing this stuff have ended up doing limp funk workouts , a great example being spk whose "junk funk" was a classic example of an interesting act blanding out and falling dismally between 2 stools. > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 18:17:04 -0400 From: Casper Milquetoast Subject: Off topic show Sergio Vega of Quicksand fame will be playing in Johnstown, PA next thursday a the Community center. Not all wire related but I'd guess there might be a few quicksand fans on the list. If I can get a ride to go then I will deffinately be there. If anyone is an emo fan I highly suggest going if in the area. Quicksand was one of the greatest emo bands that ever existed. casper ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 16:46:40 -0700 (PDT) From: BillyD Subject: Re: DEVO I wouldn't waste money on the South Park soundtrack. Well, I did. The song isn't that good. David Byrne worked with DEVO on a track on his 'Feelings' cd... There have also been some other soundtrack songs. The last time they played around here was Lolapalooza in '96. Didn't see it though. I did see them in DC in 1988. Show was ok. Opened with video which was pretty cool. They do have a great video collection. Cheers, Billy - --- paul.rabjohn@ssab.com wrote: > > > > p (resisting devo side-track opportunity) > > > Ah come on Paul, sidetrack to DEVO > Ian (whose first gig was Devo at Newcastle City Hall > in 1980 - hence softspot) > >>>>>> well i can't resist that one. i was about > 15/16 when devo first came over so i never got to > see them , they were really big at my school. that > 1980 gig would have been on the "whip it" tour i > suppose , never played anywhere near where i was. > after that they seemed to stay big in the us but > never really had much profile in the uk and i don't > think they played here until the early 90's when > they did a very short tour for "smooth noodle maps". > a bunch of my old school cronies all got together > and went down to the town & country in homage. it > was great to see them even though they were a bit > fat and balding by then. they did a strange set ; > most of the new album and "are we not men" and not > much else. i think they split up shortly after but > there was a track on the south park album so maybe > they've reformed (no i didn't buy it - anyone heard > it?). i guess it's hard to imagine those devo guys > driving taxis , must be a job for life.p > > ps i think there's a box set coming out > > pps "hard core vol 1" is a great cd. "hard core vol > 2" is barrel scrapings.p > ===== . ./\/\/\. [ . . ] /\ -- -Get Well Sammy! (R)SOT Ltd. http://depechemode.acmecity.com/freestate/54 http://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 19:41:38 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: DEVO >I did see them in DC in 1988. Show was ok. Opened with >video which was pretty cool. They did the same in Phoenix in 12/81 ... did they *ever* have opening bands? Dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 20:36:46 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: Re[12]: devo (was:factory fest (tunnelvision/acr/crispies) Doesn't really sound any better to these ears today. Just very dated, unlike some of the other bands we've been discussing recently.... Mark >>>> true , like so much 80's stuff the production kind of locks it into that era. i guess most people here would like the rougher early stuff if anything , the "hard core vol 1" probably is worth a listen for the sort of primitive home made electronics they messed around with in 75-77. but stuff like freedom of choice/new traditionalists/oh no its devo just get progressively blander as they lost the original "weirdness" . p Devo Live: The Mongoloid Years is also well worth looking into, as it's from the same early era (4 from Cleveland 10/31/75, 4 from Akron 12/76, 9 from Max's Kansas City 5/77). I lost interest about halfway through Freedom of Choice -- now, if only Girluwant had been the hit instead of Whip It ... oh, well. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 00:50:48 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: devowendyospkblixawireopener hi all, with all these strings of off-topic posts drawing me out of my shell, i guess i should backstep and introduce myself... hi! i'm paul, native new yorker, eagerly awaiting the 15th (pun intended-i hope wire gets corny and plays that longtime fave of mine!), enjoying the off-topicness here. i'm always interested to see where fans of one particular artist/group are coming from. my first post to this list was back when this reunion was announced. i mentioned that i was getting the chance to redeem myself for one of the worst decisions i ever made (not seeing wire over a decade ago because their show was on a monday night!). who knew they'd take this long to come back!?! well, the 15th is a monday, so it's obvious i'm being tested by a higher power here :o) difference this time is i'm holding my ticket already... - ---WIRE CONCERT related material this paragraph---> so, have any listers seen pansonic live? anything interesting to expect on stage? i know i'm about to compare apples n oranges (well maybe two different varieties of apples), but when i saw labradford last fall, the live aspect of the whole thing was sorta neglected. two of em sat, and the other stood with his back to the crowd. i like their music alot, but there didn't seem to be any reason to be in the room with them. of course, godspeed you black emperor! followed and made the whole evening worth far more than the price of admission. anyhow, i'm hoping pansonic will put on an appealing live performance. i haven't seen many of the newer bands/artists i listen to these days. - ---DEVO/WENDY O----> i had the good fortune of seeing devo twice. both shows started with devo films/videos. the first time was around 1980 (swelling itching brain era), and the second was the whip it flowerpot hat tour. funny thing that time was they had a very elaborate stage set-up including huge lighted panels and treadmills in addition to all the musical equipment, and the gig was in a small theater that couldn't handle the wattage of the light panels. a few times during the set, the treadmills stopped, lights went out, the p.a. went out. it was almost as funny as seeing the plasmatics blow up a car on the very same stage. when wendy o hit the plunger, the explosion sent the curtains flying (didn't catch fire though) and the heat could be felt by me and my friends about 20 rows back! - ---SPK/BLIXA---> i met blixa bargeld one night on the first tour with nick cave and the bad seeds. we were in a bar in the east village. no joke, he was drinking screwdrivers! now that's what i call responsible drinking. anyway, i asked him what music he liked, and his complete answer to my question was "well i don't like spk!" congrats to those of you who read up to this point :o) cheers, paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 22:57:04 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: devowendyospkblixawireopener >with all these strings of off-topic posts drawing me out of my shell, i guess >i should backstep and introduce myself... > >hi! i'm paul, native new yorker, eagerly awaiting the 15th (pun intended-i >hope wire gets corny and plays that longtime fave of mine!), enjoying the >off-topicness here. i'm always interested to see where fans of one particular >artist/group are coming from. my first post to this list was back when this >reunion was announced. i mentioned that i was getting the chance to redeem >myself for one of the worst decisions i ever made (not seeing wire over a >decade ago because their show was on a monday night!). who knew they'd take >this long to come back!?! well, the 15th is a monday, so it's obvious i'm >being tested by a higher power here :o) My reasoning exactly for committing to go to the 5/10 show in Chicago, 5/10 of course being the first song on Document & Eyewitness ... >---SPK/BLIXA---> i met blixa bargeld one night on the first tour with nick >cave and the bad seeds. we were in a bar in the east village. no joke, he was >drinking screwdrivers! now that's what i call responsible drinking. anyway, i >asked him what music he liked, and his complete answer to my question was >"well i don't like spk!" > >congrats to those of you who read up to this point :o) I did, but don't have much to add ... except to wonder how many people here ever saw SPK back in their g(l)ory days. I did, along with maybe 25 other people in a tiny, short-lived venue in Phoenix run by the former vocalist of Human Hands, David Wiley (later a sometimes keyboardist for International Language, now deceased, I believe of AIDS), I believe circa the summer of '82. Rather harrowing ... never having heard them before (though I had an idea what to expect, thanks to reviews), I remember describing them in a letter to The Offense Newsletter as a good candidate to serve as the dance band for a homecoming at Auschwitz, or something like that. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 23:08:16 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: speaking of the banshees... ... which I'm not sure anybody was, come to think of it, though certainly they fit in with some of the bands we've been discussing lately. Anyway, last week, after seeing a friend's 2-man band (guitar & drums) perform at an open-mike night in a local club & end their mandated 7-minute set with some driving, pulsing guitar raucousness that reminded me strongly of the last part of Jigsaw Feeling, I took The Scream to work to loan to said friend. (When I asked him if was familiar with the LP, he acted as if he'd smelled something malodorous -- I guess he was knew the band only by the subsequent pop-goth stuff, which of course IIIIIIIIII happen to like a lot.) Anyway, I'm pleased to report that he's downright rapturous over the album in general & the slabs of post-punk guitar shards in particular ... Today, I dug out the 8-song Peel Sessions release for him as well. Which begs the question -- anyone know whatever became of John MacKay after he & Kenny Morris (another whatever-happened-to?) jumped ship at the outset of that tour supporting (if memory serves) Join Hands, after which Robert Smith & Budgie were brought on board, kicking off a long Banshees revolving-guitarist tradition? Dan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 01:32:15 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: speaking of...bansheeshumanhandsiprdva...full circle? hi folks! In a message dated 4/28/0 12:07:34 AM, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: >saw SPK back in their g(l)ory days. I did, along with maybe 25 other >people in a tiny, short-lived venue in Phoenix run by the former vocalist >of >Human Hands, David Wiley (later a sometimes keyboardist for International >Language, now deceased, I believe of AIDS) wiley died in 1989. the second edition of the human hands double lp on ipr has a dedication on the cover. speaking of ipr...(shameless plug to follow)...you can see pictures of bruce licher's letterpress artwork at my (poorly executed) website Trudge... http://members.tripod.com/~Trudge >Which begs the question -- anyone know whatever became of John MacKay after >he & Kenny Morris (another whatever-happened-to?) jumped ship at the outset >of that tour supporting (if memory serves) Join Hands, after which Robert >Smith & Budgie were brought on board, kicking off a long Banshees >revolving-guitarist tradition? HEY! this brings us back to clock dva (who started this whole off-topic run in the first place!). i saw the john carruthers banshee line-up. enjoyable show. it was on halloween, if memory serves right. so, is anyone planning to meet before the irving plaza show? i'll be at detour (13th st, just west of 1st ave) for a guinness. best pint in the big apple! - -paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 03:09:50 -0400 From: Casper Milquetoast Subject: Re: Off topic show Well, I'll answer this the best I can considering I really do not put many labels on much (i know I did in the last post but I guess I used it as a sort of foothold which most labels are) emo: basicly it is a type of hardcore with a lot of breakdowns and tempo changes. Vocals are never very consistant often changing from singing to screaming to crying as opposed to the "normal" hardcore which just has some man growling into the mic like some sort of caged beast. Emo is basicly a more talented and often more instresting hardcore. Quicksand, The Deftones, Boy Sets Fire, and some people even call Fugazi emo (I honestly do not get that but I guess some of it might be, probably only putting a title to something that couldn't possibly have one). sXe: a youth movement stemmed from the DC hardcore scene during the early eighties. Bands such as Minor Threat, The Teen Idles, The Untouchables, and SOA began to reject drug culture. The name itself "straight edge" came from a Minor Threat song with the same title. In another song the basis of the movement became "Don't some, don't drink, don't fuck, at least I can fucking think." But clearly stated later on in another version of the song Ian Mackaye states "This is no set of rules, for some people it's fucking, for others it's playing golf, all I know is that I can't keep up I can't keep up, out of step with the world." Which basicly meant that anything that might be considered a crutch is wrong. People whom consider themselves sXe often where X's on their hands, which is called being "X"ed up. Of course as most humans do they took the initial concept and preverted it to include veganism, drinking caffiene, and many other things. The sXe movement today has become a radicly millitant group that in many cities have formed gangs. Bands like Earth Crisis have begun telling kids to kill drug dealers and people who smoke. Most sXe bands today are found on victory records and often reside in NYC. Ian Mackaye seems to no longer associate himself with the current movement. (If I should happen to sound a little harsh on the sXe movement, I think I have every reason to after I was beaten down for being "X"ed up and drinking coke at the same time. I used to consider myself sXe and only listened to the old DC Hardcore and did not have much contact with the militant side up into that point. When that occured I ceased associating with the movement and started smoking, drinking, using some drugs, and of course the unmentionable *insert large grin here*. Although listening to Minor Threat did get me into Wire, so it couldn't have been that bad.) Crust: Basicly just English punk like Oxymoron and Chaotic Discord speed up until it is nothing but noise. Hardcore and crust are basicly the same thing, just the hardcore kids wash themselves. > > What in the hell is emo/sxe/crust. Isn't it Punk? > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 10:22:41 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[14]: devo (was:factory fest (tunnelvision/acr/crispie Devo Live: The Mongoloid Years is also well worth looking into, as it's from the same early era (4 from Cleveland 10/31/75, 4 from Akron 12/76, 9 from Max's Kansas City 5/77). I lost interest about halfway through Freedom of Choice -- now, if only Girluwant had been the hit instead of Whip It ... oh, well. Dan >>>> did you hear the robert palmer version of guw? p ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #113 *******************************