From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #112 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, April 27 2000 Volume 03 : Number 112 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re[2]: all time flops [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] RE:factory fest (THE BOX 89) [Creatured ] Wire in Boston [Danny Gromfin ] Re: idealcopy-digest V3 #111/EBN/TVT ["MackDaddyD" ] Re: Re[2]: factory fest (tunnelvision/acr/crispies) [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: Re[2]: factory fest (tunnelvision/acr/crispies) [Creatured ] Re: (THE BOX 89) [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: Wire in Boston [Joshua ] FW: Wire in Boston [Stacey Neustadt ] Re: Re[6]: factory fest (tunnelvision/acr/crispies) [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: wirefactoryboxantigroup23skidoo [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] RE: Wire in Boston ["Holstein, Brian" ] Re[8]: factory fest (tunnelvision/acr/crispies) [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re[2]: wirefactoryboxantigroup23skidoo [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re: wirefactoryboxantigroup23skidoo [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: Re[8]: factory fest (tunnelvision/acr/crispies) ["ian barrett" 3. zoviet france ; collusion >now i bet someone on this list is a fan of this. sorry , i can't see anything >here at all. yawn Yes I quite like the three albums of theirs which I have on tape although they were a bit disappointing live after the amazing sinetone onslaught of Ryoji Ikeda earlier this year at Manchester's Contact theatre. So do you want to sell 'Collusion'? How much? Hard to believe it could be worse than Utah Saints... Fibreglass Messiah ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 05:44:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Creatured Subject: RE:factory fest (THE BOX 89) Well,i looked at my THe Box cd and i think it is another band now. The music still sounds terrible,mellow pop.Looks like they are French Canuckian from Montreal. This is thier Fourth Album. The name of it is called " The Pleasure And The PAin". When i seen this i thought i remembered the original Box having a song or album with the same name (The Pleasure and the Pain). And it is produced by Martin Rushent. The band members of the 89 Box are: Jean Pierre "Laszlo" Brie-Bass Claude Thibault-Guitar Philippe Bernard-Drums Guido Pisapia-Keyboards Jean Marc-Lead Vocals I guess i should have looked at the members and i would have known they were different,but i think when i heard i just threw to the side. Richard - --- paul.rabjohn@ssab.com wrote: > i've just got one 7" single , i'll try to find out what it was > called. black cover. > > when clock dva reformed (late 80's?) and did stuff like "the hacker" > , was that any use? i see a lot of that stuff in dump bins and had > wondered as to the quality. did they get adi newton / john carruthers > back? the only album i ever bought was "advantage" , good but some of > that "industrial funk" sounds really dated now.p > > > ______________________________ Reply Separator > _________________________________ > Subject: Re: factory fest (tunnelvision/acr/crispies) > Author: MIME:MarkBursa@aol.com at INTERNET > Date: 26/04/2000 00:10 > > > Rick, > > << I didn't mean to jump into a conversation and say that was thier > sound > for thier whole career. I bought a cd of thiers from 88 or 89 that > sucked,so thier music got worse,i guess. >> > > I don't think they lasted more than a couple of years. I thought I > had everything they ever released - the 1st EP (No time for talk etc > - 5 tracks), Old Style Drop Down 12in, Secrets Out LP, Live album and > Great Moments in Big Slam mini-LP (8 tracks). the newest is dated > 1984, and I'm pretty sure they split after that. > > Good live too - saw them a couple of times.... > > Mark > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 08:49:16 -0400 From: Danny Gromfin Subject: Wire in Boston There were a few people who were wondering what group was opening for Wire in Boston. According to an ad in the Boston Phoenix, it is Peer Group (featuring Peter Prescott), ex-Burma/Suns/Kustomized. Anybody have an idea what Peer Group is like? Danny ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 08:25:20 -0500 From: "MackDaddyD" Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V3 #111/EBN/TVT > Hell, don't know if you know this but EBN came really close in the big > music business game. TVT was prepared for big things with them. > here's a few things they did achieve: Ask *ANY* band who's been on TVT about the the great things the label has accomplished for them. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 09:27:13 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: factory fest (tunnelvision/acr/crispies) Hi Paul, << when clock dva reformed (late 80's?) and did stuff like "the hacker" , was that any use? i see a lot of that stuff in dump bins and had wondered as to the quality. did they get adi newton / john carruthers back? the only album i ever bought was "advantage" , good but some of that "industrial funk" sounds really dated now.p >> You know, I've often wondered about those albums myself....never bothered to buy them...I think they were heavily based on samples and electronics - not sure if anybody except Adi Newton was involved by that stage... 'Advantage' was recorded by the second DVA line-up (after the others left to form the Box). Saw them at the ICA and they were much better than on record. I quite like the film noir feel of some of the album - the opening two tracks are really good. But I agree that the Industrial Funk aspects sound extremely dated now. If you want a really great Clock DVA album try and find a copy of Thirst. White Souls in Black Suits is good too - if you can find it. It was released on tape only originally but there were some (Italian I think) vinyl copies... not sure if either of those albums is on CD. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 06:45:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Creatured Subject: Re: Re[2]: factory fest (tunnelvision/acr/crispies) Yes,those are great albums,Thirst and White souls . I'm going to get some demos from that era.One set is called DVAtion Demos and the others probably dont have a name to them. If anyone is interested in copies when i get them,let me know privatley. Rick - --- MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > Hi Paul, > > << when clock dva reformed (late 80's?) and did stuff like "the > hacker" , was > that any use? i see a lot of that stuff in dump bins and had wondered > as to > the quality. did they get adi newton / john carruthers back? the only > album i > ever bought was "advantage" , good but some of that "industrial funk" > sounds > really dated now.p >> > > You know, I've often wondered about those albums myself....never > bothered to > buy them...I think they were heavily based on samples and electronics > - not > sure if anybody except Adi Newton was involved by that stage... > > 'Advantage' was recorded by the second DVA line-up (after the others > left to > form the Box). Saw them at the ICA and they were much better than on > record. > I quite like the film noir feel of some of the album - the opening > two tracks > are really good. But I agree that the Industrial Funk aspects sound > extremely > dated now. > > If you want a really great Clock DVA album try and find a copy of > Thirst. > White Souls in Black Suits is good too - if you can find it. It was > released > on tape only originally but there were some (Italian I think) vinyl > copies... > not sure if either of those albums is on CD. > > Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 15:46:00 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[4]: factory fest (tunnelvision/acr/crispies) Hi Paul, << when clock dva reformed (late 80's?) and did stuff like "the hacker" , was that any use? i see a lot of that stuff in dump bins and had wondered as to the quality. did they get adi newton / john carruthers back? You know, I've often wondered about those albums myself....never bothered to buy them...I think they were heavily based on samples and electronics - not sure if anybody except Adi Newton was involved by that stage... >>>>>> so he did the anti group then went back to clock dva i guess? i never knew who was involved second time around. 'Advantage' was recorded by the second DVA line-up (after the others left to form the Box). Saw them at the ICA and they were much better than on record. I quite like the film noir feel of some of the album - the opening two tracks are really good. But I agree that the Industrial Funk aspects sound extremely dated now. >>>>>>> advantage is quite a glossy big label production , but they were never going to sell much with that kind of sound (just like shriekback , hula , chakk and all the others who tried). not bad , but i havn't played it for years to be honest. If you want a really great Clock DVA album try and find a copy of Thirst. White Souls in Black Suits is good too - if you can find it. It was released on tape only originally but there were some (Italian I think) vinyl copies... not sure if either of those albums is on CD. >>>>> so i presume the earlier stuff was rougher/harder? can't recall often having seen much of it in second hand shops (and i do look....) p Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 10:13:48 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Re[4]: factory fest (tunnelvision/acr/crispies) Paul, >>so he did the anti group then went back to clock dva i guess? i never knew who was involved second time around.<< I guess so.... << so i presume the earlier stuff was rougher/harder? can't recall often having seen much of it in second hand shops (and i do look....) p >> Very much so. Hard to describe - menacing, psychedelic, almost jazzy in places... 4 Hours was the single which might ring a bell??? I have a feeling that Thirst may have been reissued on CD (it was on the Fetish label originally along with 23 Skidoo) but I only have the vinyl. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 16:27:05 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[6]: factory fest (tunnelvision/acr/crispies) I have a feeling that Thirst may have been reissued on CD (it was on the Fetish label originally along with 23 Skidoo) but I only have the vinyl. Mark >>>> i must try to get hold of that. 23 skidoo are a band i've never really heard much by , i bought a cheap "industrial" compilation of early 90's stuff and its got a pretty unexciting "industrial funk" track by 23s called "sayonara step" (or something similar) , i presume that was some sort of reformation as my impression of their earlier stuff was that it was a lot more challenging/less commercial than this. i think the one i heard and liked was called "7 songs" , but i never bought it.p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 09:45:15 -0500 From: "AudioPig" Subject: 23 skidoo > i must try to get hold of that. 23 skidoo are a band i've never really heard much by , i bought a cheap "industrial" compilation of >early 90's stuff and its got a pretty unexciting "industrial funk" track by 23s called "sayonara step" (or something similar) , i presume >that was some sort of reformation as my impression of their earlier stuff was that it was a lot more challenging/less commercial than >this. i think the one i heard and liked was called "7 songs" , but i never bought it.p : finding 23 skidoo stuff will be much easier later this year (if all goes well), because they're re-releasing almost all of their output on 4 cd's....the singles cd looks especially boss. here's the info: >>>>>> the label Ronin, which is a hip hop & beatz label run by the brothers Turnbull will be re-issuing the Skidoo titles in the fall. This very neatly coincides with a brand new full length title Skidoo are releasing on the Virgin label in September. The album features Roots Manuva and Pharoah Saunders among others. The EP's lead track is 'Dawning' featuring Pharoah Saunders. There is a white label 12" of 2 or 3 new tracks (presumably from this record or at least session) that has been around for a while. it is quite good rhythmic as one would expect but with the slightly odd appearance of some dave gilmour like guitar but still pretty fine nonetheless. The track listings for the re-issues are as follows; 23 SKIDOO CD INFO 'THE GOSPEL COMES TO NEW GUINEA' LP/CD (THE SINGLES COMPILATION) the gospel comes to new guinea (1981) last words (1981) ethics (1980) another baby's face (1980) tearing up the plans pts.1&2 (1982) just like everybody (1982) gregouka (1982) coup (1984) recoup (1984) language (1984) ooze (1984) assassin (1985) maghrebi (1987) 'SEVEN SONGS' LP/CD 1.kundalini 2.vegas el bandito 3.mary's operation 4.lockgroove 5.new testament 6.iy 7.porno base 8.quiet pillage 'THE CULLING IS COMING' LP/CD Pt.1 A Summer Rite live at W.O.M.A.D 11.23 am 17/7/82 1. banishing 2. invocation 3. flashing 4. stifling 5. healing 5. contemplation 6. s-matrix 7. insemination 8. shrine 9. mahakala 'URBAN GAMELAN' LP/CD 1.fuck you GI 2.fire (feat.Schizzo-P) 3.misr wakening 4. jalan jalan 5.urban gamelan act1 6.sirens 7.helicopterz 8.kongo do 9.langauge dub 10.drunken reprisal 11.coup de grace 'JUST LIKE EVERYBODY' LP/CD COMPILATION 1.kundalini 2.vegas el bandito 3.iy 4.just like everybody (feat.T.Soar) 5.assassin 6.coup 7.urban gamelan act 1 8.kongo do 9.language dub 10.drunken reprisal 11.shrine 12.porno base ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 10:44:24 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: (THE BOX 89) In a message dated 4/26/0 7:47:03 AM, creature48212@yahoo.com writes: >And it is produced by Martin Rushent. wow. haven't seen that name in print for a long while! anyone know what he's been up to? if this is too off topic, respond off list. although the current string of posts leads me to believe it's a-ok :o) - -paul (a big big factory records fan...interesting how we go from wire to factory to this band "box" that turns out to be 2 bands...enjoying the posts) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:12:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Subject: Re: Wire in Boston On Wed, 26 Apr 2000, Danny Gromfin wrote: > There were a few people who were wondering what group was opening for > Wire in Boston. According to an ad in the Boston Phoenix, it is Peer > Group (featuring Peter Prescott), ex-Burma/Suns/Kustomized. > > Anybody have an idea what Peer Group is like? I'm coming up with 0 on the Web. Here's a funny story about opening bands: I went to see Jane's Addicion once when I was in high school. I lived in Newport, about 45 minutes south of Providence, so my parents were driving my krewe to the show (they were very encouraging to our group of punk hooligans). On the way, on URI radio, is an interview with the dude from the opening band, whose name I don't catch. But they play a track of his technothrash (I was also into Nitzer Ebb at the time. Bigtime. Showtime.) and I really dig it. So we go to the show, which was fine (why does smoke from smoke machines taste sweet? What's it made of?), but the single overwhelming and memorable feature of the show was this opening band, which was some of the most powerfully energetic nuts-kicking, teeth-baring, music I'd ever heard come out of a computer. Boots and inconvenient hairstyles were flying, and I was soaked with sweat. On the way out at the end of the evening, we discover that the band is going on tour right after this one, and that they'll be coming back through Providence a few months later. So my sister and I picked up tickets for $5. Not bad, considering that tickets to see Nine Inch Nails now cost almost $50. Now, aside from the fact that Mr. Reznor went on to become terribly famous, he has never, to my knowledge, actually returned to Providence. The Living Room, where we saw him, closed shortly thereafter, supposedly for three weeks, while it moved. Nobody wanted those young people in their neighborhood, so the best club in Providence is now gone. So...does anybody want tickets to a nonexistant 1989 show of NIN? I should sell them on EBay, if the tix still exist. - -Joshua ___ ___ http://www.swingpad.com (Digital Art and Artisanship) - --- --- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:08:29 -0400 From: Stacey Neustadt Subject: FW: Wire in Boston A lurker revealed...and all it took was a challenge to my web-searching skills and a mention of the Volcano Suns! Some Peer Group mentions: 1998 opening for Pere Ubu (God, I love those guys!): http://www.bostonphoenix.com/archive/music/98/06/25/CELLARS_BY_STARLIGHT.htm l 1997 review: http://www.bostonphoenix.com/alt1/archive/music/reviews/03-06-97/BUTTERCUP.h tml 1998 benefit album (which also features a track from Seks Bomba...their album is on YaYa Records, my husband's label): http://www.section304.com/255.htm 1997 picture: http://world.std.com/~thirdave/misc_images/peer.html Ummm...that's pretty much it. There were a few others, but not worth looking at (or from the Department of Redundancy Department). All Wire, all the time (kinda like studying for a test!), Stacey - -----Original Message----- From: Joshua [mailto:joshua@espresso.hampshire.edu] Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 11:12 AM Cc: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: Wire in Boston On Wed, 26 Apr 2000, Danny Gromfin wrote: > There were a few people who were wondering what group was opening for > Wire in Boston. According to an ad in the Boston Phoenix, it is Peer > Group (featuring Peter Prescott), ex-Burma/Suns/Kustomized. > > Anybody have an idea what Peer Group is like? I'm coming up with 0 on the Web. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:13:45 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Re[6]: factory fest (tunnelvision/acr/crispies) Paul, >>>> i must try to get hold of that. 23 skidoo are a band i've never really heard much by , i bought a cheap "industrial" compilation of early 90's stuff and its got a pretty unexciting "industrial funk" track by 23s called "sayonara step" (or something similar) , i presume that was some sort of reformation as my impression of their earlier stuff was that it was a lot more challenging/less commercial than this. i think the one i heard and liked was called "7 songs" , but i never bought it.p >> In the kingdom of 'industrial funk' 23Skidoo (and ACR) rule supreme... 7songs is a cracker - only about 30 mins long and doesn't miss a beat. Good news anbout the reissues. I'd definitely get the singles comp and 7 songs. Other stuff treat with caution but you might like it. Tearing up the plans was just that. Minimal, not funky at all, and recorded with "reduced personnel" (it says on the sleeve). Urban gamelan has a lot of tinkling gongs etc... The band had a very changeable line-up. Went from indie-pop to TG-style noise. At one point included funky bass player called Sketch who was in dire early-80s funk duo Lynx. He's on Coup (aka Fuck you GI)... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:26:19 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: wirefactoryboxantigroup23skidoo man, by the time i got through today's mail, we segued from the box to the anti group and 23 skidoo! i never knew who was in the anti group. i have one 7" in a red plastic sleeve with no credits. so it was a clock dva side project? In a message dated 4/26/0 9:30:49 AM, paul.rabjohn@ssab.com writes: > i think the one i heard and liked was called "7 songs" that is a good one, yeah. "urban gamelan" is less songlike, more percussive (as the name implies) and atmospheric. "the culling is coming" is an interesting live set, featuring dave tibet, also percussive/atmospheric with an interesting lock groove in the middle of one side of the record. then there's two good 12"s from the "7 songs" era (1982-84) called "tearing up the plans" and "language" and another 12" called "23 skidoo vs. the assassins with soul" from 1986 which is probably more like what you heard on the comp. i also have a fantastic post punk 7" that i could never believe was the same 23 skidoo. it's got little info on the sleeve and vinyl. sleeve says "manufactured through PEI" and the label says "pineapple products" and "pulp 23" and there's no date on it. it features two tracks, "ethics" and "another babys face." does anyone have more info on this single? it's one of my favorite records from the post punk era. so, who's going to irving plaza on the 15th?! - -paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:27:02 -0400 From: "Holstein, Brian" Subject: RE: Wire in Boston ahh, to hear the name living room mentioned again. i lived in worcester for a while in the late 80's, and had the channel in boston and said living room the same distance away in providence. and now it's gone? do you know if the channel is still around? i saw the damned there, iggy, killing joke in providence. definitely the glory years of my concert going. also saw many a great show at the rat in kenmore square. additionally, i caught nine inch nails opening for peter murphy on his deep tour, some club on landsdowne street. at the time, nine inch nails were unheard of, and quite a force to reckon with. so unable was peter to follow them that he performed one of most tedious shows i've ever seen, though i did see him in boston a year or two earlier on a bill with tom verlaine and the church. after verlaine and murphy, as good as murphy could probably be without bauhaus, the church were a bore, though honestly, they never did a thing for me anyway. > single overwhelming and memorable feature of the show was this opening > band, which was some of the most powerfully energetic nuts-kicking, > teeth-baring, music I'd ever heard come out of a computer. Boots and > inconvenient hairstyles were flying, and I was soaked with sweat. On the > way out at the end of the evening, we discover that the band is going on > tour right after this one, and that they'll be coming back through > Providence a few months later. So my sister and I picked up tickets for > $5. Not bad, considering that tickets to see Nine Inch Nails now cost > almost $50. > > Now, aside from the fact that Mr. Reznor went on to become terribly > famous, he has never, to my knowledge, actually returned to Providence. > The Living Room, where we saw him, closed shortly thereafter, supposedly > for three weeks, while it moved. Nobody wanted those young people in > their neighborhood, so the best club in Providence is now gone. < > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:37:12 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[8]: factory fest (tunnelvision/acr/crispies) The band had a very changeable line-up. Went from indie-pop to TG-style noise. At one point included funky bass player called Sketch who was in dire early-80s funk duo Lynx. He's on Coup (aka Fuck you GI)... Mark >>>> ah , "intuition" , what a great piece of industrial funk that wasn't. brings back memories of crappy school discos along with "tainted love" and "dare". anyway , enough of this off-subject rambling i have been forced into. better say something about wire ; 1. there's a link to a fanzine called "cracked machine" appeared on wireviews , 2 very good interviews with colin/bruce. the colin one is especially good , you get some real feeling for the tensions in the band (colin/graham). its around "bastard" , but colin makes some points about manscape (plus first letter/vien) very similar to discussions here recently. basically he sounds happy with the material but pissed off with the mixing and not happy with how things turned out. the one he really praises is IBTABA btw. go look. 2. now i have been known to occasionally buy wire items, and i just managed to buy the "reflex" fanzine with free "si tu attends" flexi from some dutch guy. never thought i'd get that , the disc is still stapled into the zine and plays devo on the other side. i'd guessed the mag was dutch but its american , there's both a colin and full band interview. i suppose its the same track as on the it seems cd , i don't think i'll rip it out. i thought i might regret it but its actually a really interesting buy. p (resisting devo side-track opportunity) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:42:10 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: wirefactoryboxantigroup23skidoo man, by the time i got through today's mail, we segued from the box to the anti group and 23 skidoo! i never knew who was in the anti group. i have one 7" in a red plastic sleeve with no credits. so it was a clock dva side project? >>> i'm sure people here know more than me on this , but i think it was adi newton plus cronies , i know not who else.p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:52:18 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: wirefactoryboxantigroup23skidoo Paul, << it's got little info on the sleeve and vinyl. sleeve says "manufactured through PEI" and the label says "pineapple products" and "pulp 23" and there's no date on it. it features two tracks, "ethics" and "another babys face." does anyone have more info on this single? it's one of my favorite records from the post punk era. >> What you have is the first 23 Skidoo single, which sounds completely different to the rest of the band's output. Half the group left before the 7 songs album and the band became a lot more experimental... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:12:31 +0100 From: "ian barrett" Subject: Re: Re[8]: factory fest (tunnelvision/acr/crispies) - ----- Original Message ----- From: > p (resisting devo side-track opportunity) > Ah come on Paul, sidetrack to DEVO Ian (whose first gig was Devo at Newcastle City Hall in 1980 - hence softspot) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:56:25 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: wirefactoryboxantigroup23skidoo Odd coincidence -- I picked up the Anti Group's Big Sex 12" at a used store just 2 afternoons ago (though not as odd as the fact that, judging from the Typical Girls list, in that same purchase I was acquiring Unknown Gender's 2nd LP [along with their first one] at the same time someone in Switzerland was doing the same), though I guess I already had it on the Audiophile CD. Oh, well. As for Clock DVA, obviously I need to drag out my cassette of White Souls & play it (for probably the first time in 16 years) ... Thirst is a big favorite of mine -- the Four Hours/Sensorium 7" made the LP an essential purchase, needless to say. Advantage is indeed considerably slicker, but it has its moments. The late-'80s incarnation of Clock DVA made no impression on me, judging from the fact that all I remember of their (Newton's?) The Hacker 12" is that it was soulless electronics. Someone's probably already mentioned it, but White Souls did come out in a vinyl edition from some Italian or Spanish outfit ... & I'm pretty sure Thirst came out on CD in the early '90s. I know that Advantage did, because I fucked around & wound up not buying it while it was available (I've only got a dubbed copy, though the 12" of Breakdown [if I'm remembering the title correctly] was kind enough to pop up in the used store a couple of blocks from here some years ago). 23 Skidoo ... All I've got is the Coup 12", which I believe someone has mentioned (don't have time to go searching through the night's e-mails because work beckons), & a live tape, & probably a couple of cuts on comps whose names I couldn't remember if my life depended on it. Must look that up when I'm back home, as there may've been some other interesting stuff included as well. Dan > >man, by the time i got through today's mail, we segued from the box to the >anti group and 23 skidoo! i never knew who was in the anti group. i have one >7" in a red plastic sleeve with no credits. so it was a clock dva side >project? > >In a message dated 4/26/0 9:30:49 AM, paul.rabjohn@ssab.com writes: > >> i think the one i heard and liked was called "7 songs" > >that is a good one, yeah. "urban gamelan" is less songlike, more percussive >(as the name implies) and atmospheric. "the culling is coming" is an >interesting live set, featuring dave tibet, also percussive/atmospheric with >an interesting lock groove in the middle of one side of the record. then >there's two good 12"s from the "7 songs" era (1982-84) called "tearing up the >plans" and "language" and another 12" called "23 skidoo vs. the assassins >with soul" from 1986 which is probably more like what you heard on the comp. >i also have a fantastic post punk 7" that i could never believe was the same >23 skidoo. it's got little info on the sleeve and vinyl. sleeve says >"manufactured through PEI" and the label says "pineapple products" and "pulp >23" and there's no date on it. it features two tracks, "ethics" and "another >babys face." does anyone have more info on this single? it's one of my >favorite records from the post punk era. > >so, who's going to irving plaza on the 15th?! > >-paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 18:44:29 +0100 From: "Tim Maher" Subject: Re: Re[4]: factory fest (tunnelvision/acr/crispies) White Souls in Black Shirts and Thirst were released in the early 90's on the "Contempo" label. Details as follows: "White Souls..." CONTECD 157 Released June 1992 "Thirst" CONTECD 192 Released Jan 1995 If anyones interested I can provide a complete list of releases by Clock DVA/ The Box/ The Anti-Group. Regards Tim > I have a feeling that Thirst may have been reissued on CD (it was on the > Fetish label originally along with 23 Skidoo) but I only have the vinyl. > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:45:55 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Re[4]: factory fest (tunnelvision/acr/crispies) Tim, >>White Souls in Black Shirts and Thirst were released in the early 90's on the "Contempo" label. Details as follows: "White Souls..." CONTECD 157 Released June 1992 "Thirst" CONTECD 192 Released Jan 1995 If anyones interested I can provide a complete list of releases by Clock DVA/ The Box/ The Anti-Group.<< Thanks for that - I thought I'd seen 'Thirst somewhere on CD but not 'White Souls'. I do have the vinyl of WSIBS which is rare enough.... A discography would be useful. Cheers, Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 18:38:53 -0700 From: jasonmb@calweb.com Subject: 5/2 San Francisco show Does anyone know if you can buy tickets for the May 2 Great American show online or by phone? Ticketmaster only has the May 3 Fillmore date listed on their web site. My schedule will only allow me to go to the Great American show, and I'm slightly concerned that I might not be able to get tickets. - -- Jason Borchers jasonmb@calweb.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 10:26:41 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[10]: factory fest (tunnelvision/acr/crispies) > p (resisting devo side-track opportunity) > Ah come on Paul, sidetrack to DEVO Ian (whose first gig was Devo at Newcastle City Hall in 1980 - hence softspot) >>>>>> well i can't resist that one. i was about 15/16 when devo first came over so i never got to see them , they were really big at my school. that 1980 gig would have been on the "whip it" tour i suppose , never played anywhere near where i was. after that they seemed to stay big in the us but never really had much profile in the uk and i don't think they played here until the early 90's when they did a very short tour for "smooth noodle maps". a bunch of my old school cronies all got together and went down to the town & country in homage. it was great to see them even though they were a bit fat and balding by then. they did a strange set ; most of the new album and "are we not men" and not much else. i think they split up shortly after but there was a track on the south park album so maybe they've reformed (no i didn't buy it - anyone heard it?). i guess it's hard to imagine those devo guys driving taxis , must be a job for life.p ps i think there's a box set coming out pps "hard core vol 1" is a great cd. "hard core vol 2" is barrel scrapings.p ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #112 *******************************