From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #110 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, April 25 2000 Volume 03 : Number 110 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Another the Wire Dream [MihokoMk@aol.com] Rant2XU [MihokoMk@aol.com] Re: idealcopy-digest V3 #109 ["Robert Jazz" ] Re: factory fest (tunnelvision/acr/crispies) [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: idealcopy-digest V3 #109 [Joshua ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 15:48:09 EDT From: MihokoMk@aol.com Subject: Another the Wire Dream Somehow the Stranglers have misheard the lyric from '2 people in a room' that isn't printed on the inside sleeve of 154 and believe it to be stolen from their song 'peasant in the big shitty'. They chase Colin & Bruce around the streets of some metropolis full of very tall buildings screaming 'You're not real oh no you're not' however they soon run out of steam and fade away into a MOR miasma of turgid blandness, their motion slowed to a negligable pace like ants stuck in honey (beekeeper woz 'ere). Colin and Bruce admire the view from atop a skyscraper. "Obviously time had its way with them," observes Bruce. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 15:48:18 EDT From: MihokoMk@aol.com Subject: Rant2XU Contrast 12XU with Kluba Cupol or MZUI and any of Colin's more recent tunes. There is a thread but it's a very fine one. No wonder He Said's RFH performance confused so many people. By the way the 'It-ness' Hox CD (Lewis/Karperyd) which I bought last week is EGL's finest not-Bruce release IMO, a great collision of harsh digital tones and quality pop hooks. It isn't surprising that people who love the entire Wire+offshoots ouevre have eclectic tastes, although I get the impression from reading the IC mails that a lot of Wire fans are more interested in obscure eighties reissues than new music. Bruce's adventures in sound at Disobey certainly opened my ears to new listening experiences. Most people seemed to understand the challenging nature of the Disobey events, but when he did a DJ stint at a Labradford gig people actually asked me to tell him he was crap! Which is missing the point really. Of course I told them to go and tell him themselves. I'm sure Bruce wouldn't have been at all perturbed, since he certainly wasn't trying to present a 'listen to my amazing DJ skills' affair, more just playing around with sounds and letting them find their own juxtapositions. Some people seemed to take it all a bit too seriously and even seemed insulted by a lack of beats, let alone beat matching. Anyone who views any kind of artistic stance as pretentious and something to be avoided is going to have problems with a huge amount of Wire related activity. No wonder Colin refers to the 'everything after Pink Flag sucks' brigade. Perhaps it shouldn't be surprising that Wire revisiting and revising 'old' material still sound fresher than nearly every so called modern guitar band. However as Bruce, Graham and Colin would probably agree, the most interesting sounds today are coming from a collision of computer cut ups and more conventional approaches. Which makes the current Wire 'beat combo' set up at once absurd and utterly innovative in the sense that they are proving how utterly outside of the humdrum procession of fashion and rock convention they have always been. I remember hearing 12XU on a punk compilation 'Burning Ambitions' and being struck by how different it was to everything else there - early Buzzcocks, ATV and the Fall also stood out in individuality but sounded ramshackle in comparison. All these bands shared a humourous intelligence but 'Boredom' , 'Bingo masters Breakout' and 'Life' all sound very much of their time whereas 12XU is time out of joint, timeless and still curious. A whole load of US bands took 12XU as the starting point for the 'hardcore' thing whilst Wire of course had already moved on... sorry I didn't mean to write a bleedin' essay! Don't start me off! As for Fall discussion, I would like to let it be known to the illustrious senders on this list that the Fall are the only band who've managed to sneak more records into my collection than Wire etc. I first happened across them during the early Brix years and still find mystic wonder in many of their records... Mark Smith has been a massive influence. How could he not be? Like Wire, the Fall have spent so much time on my turntable that his word-images are forever encrypted in my brain. 'This Nation's Saving Grace' is still one of the darkest, funniest and most mysterious rock records ever made. Like Wire they exist outside of time, and are even more hermetic and strange. Even stranger the other night Mark Smith lurked into a central Mancunian electronic noise haunt looking decrepit and Dickensian, and late in the evening grabbed me by the head and said, "I love you!" I was a bit lost for words as anyone probably would be. Fall fans out there might be interested in an up-coming Mark Smith words/Mild Man Jan music collaboration on one side of a magenta seven inch in a limited run of 500. Mild Man Jan provided the backbone of 'Mad.Men-Eng.Dog' for Smith to muddy up on 'The Marshall Suite.' Email mildmanjan@hotmail.com for more info. Does anyone else out there think that beautifully subtle new song 'He Knows' could have evolved from a reworking of 'A Part Of Our History'? Who is hypnotising Wire with all their love? Did they adorn themselves with ornaments? Who's going to the Garage then? I'll be there every night with a representative of EMI shouting requests for 'Mr Suit' :-) That Swim sampler is remarkably consistent isn't it? Stay glued to your PC nets, Fibreglass Messiah ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 19:32:52 EDT From: "Robert Jazz" Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V3 #109 Hello all, I know all the EBN folks quite well. Sadly, they packed it around two years ago due to a variety of reasons: inactivity of the group, moving, other projects and perhaps record label procrastination - Josh and Gardner moved to N.Y.C. and Ron still lives here in Providence where he still is involved in the DJ electronic scene and also working at the record shop, In Your Ear. Josh and Gardner still work in the related fields of multi-media production and sound engineering. I'm not sure how much is related directly to their own original music these days. Josh did a remix of a track from my group which was a wonderful success, we still have tentative plans to do some other things in the future with him. EBN was an incredible live outfit, but I think perhaps the initial interest of them as a recording group was past it's sell-by date by the time their full-length was released. - - Robert ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 19:37:23 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: factory fest (tunnelvision/acr/crispies) Dan, << What did the VeeVV (if I'm remembering the name correctly) stuff sound like? I remember the letter from a band member in the Offense Newsletter (the main zine to which I contributed stuff in the early '80s) relating the name-(&, I guess, direction-)change, though for the longest time I mistakenly thought that band included refugees from Clock DVA instead ... guess that was The Box, though. >> VeeVV sounded totally unlike Tunnelvision - a sort of industrial funk direction (a bit like Chakk, if you remember them). VeeVV was a sort of 'merger' of two bands - Chris and Ian from TVN plus three guys from a band called Bossanova, which was a sort of punk-funk band. The fronmt man from Bossanova was a guy called Mark Ormerod who'd been in a lot of Blackpool punk bands and he was the singer in VeeVV - Chris who had been vocalist in TVN just played guitar. So while LTM includes VeeVV as part of he Tunnelvison story on the web page the bands couldn't have been further apart in terms of sound.... The Box were good too - basically the original ClockDVA minus Adi Newton. 'Thirst' by Clock DVA - now there's an album!!! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:20:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V3 #109 On Mon, 24 Apr 2000, Robert Jazz wrote: > I know all the EBN folks quite well. Ah! A definitive answer! > Sadly, they packed it around two years ago due to a variety of reasons: > inactivity of the group, moving, other projects and perhaps record label > procrastination - Josh and Gardner moved to N.Y.C. and Ron still lives here > in Providence where he still is involved in the DJ electronic scene and also > working at the record shop, In Your Ear. Josh and Gardner still work in the > related fields of multi-media production and sound engineering. I'm not sure > how much is related directly to their own original music these days. Suck. In Your Ear is a great record store, but it's kind of a waste of a musician. > Josh did a remix of a track from my group which was a wonderful success, we > still have tentative plans to do some other things in the future with him. > > EBN was an incredible live outfit, but I think perhaps the initial interest > of them as a recording group was past it's sell-by date by the time their > full-length was released. Well, it's hard to record something that kinetic and, well, live. It's too bad. I really liked them. But I continue to hold my pet theory that they were done in by having the shittiest opening act ever, an M.C. Hammer knockoff that managed to empty the hall except for those with an overactive sense of irony. - -Joshua (no relation, other than having lived nearby) ___ ___ http://www.swingpad.com (Digital Art and Artisanship) - --- --- ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #110 *******************************