From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #107 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, April 22 2000 Volume 03 : Number 107 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: factory fest (tunnelvision/acr/crispies) [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: factory fest (tunnelvision/acr/crispies) ["marlon" >Anyone have any idea of how the CD's demo version of Morbid Fear/Watching the Hydroplanes compares to the Factory 7"? I could've sworn that the same guy who taped me the Names' Swimming LP & Nightshift 7" back in the early '80s (speaking of whom, I was cheered to see that LTM are looking at an October release of a Names CD) did the same with the Tunnelvision, but if so I haven't been able to find it in about 16 years, so that's that.<< I was actually present at the recording session for the first TVN demo, which became the single. It was recorded at Cargo Studios in Rochdale, which was part-owned by Peter Hook. Martin Hannett didn't like it as was so remixed it, without telling the band, at Britannia Row in London, where he was recording Section 25's album. The resulting version was faster, more trebly and with more reverb... It didn't add anything, and frankly sounds more dated than the demo. I'm fascinated to hear the TVN album, as for a time I "managed" the band - inasmuch as an 18-year-old can manage a band!! It's a real shame I didn't know about the album in advance as I probably have stuff on tape that the band doesn't even have.... >>Come to think of it, *that* single may be what Tunnelvision remind me of most. Or maybe it's Crispy Ambulance's Not What I Expected, dubbed at the same time off the same friend, the bastard. (Alas, judging from the track listings, that truly great 10" is about the only Crispies vinyl *not* included on LTM's Plateau Phase & Fin reissues.)<< TVN would certinaly have heard the ACR, but not the Crispies. Virtually the entire set was written - and the demo recorded - before they would have ever heard Crispy Ambulance. Chris Anderton (TVN singer) was a big Joy Division fan while Ian Butterworth (bass) was an absolutely massive Wire fan....he was the only other person I knew who had a copy of Colin's A-Z, and in fact he and I and another guy called Steve Farmery actually went down to London to see Mzui.... I stumbled across Crispy Ambulance in Manchester quite by chance. I'd gone there about July 1980 to see the Psycheledelic Furs, but the gig was cancelled. So I went to see Crispy Ambulance at a crap pub (I'd heard them on Peel). they were astonishingly good - nothing like the first single, and I got to know them after the gig. Ended up with me putting them on in Blackpool one night. I've said this before, but Crispy Ambulance reminded me of Wire as much as anyone, not least because of their insistence of always playing new material. It's a rwal shame that they didn't make an album before the Plateau Phase...they must have discarded at least two albums' worth of material before they actually made an album... If you want copies of any of the factory stuff let me know as I have just about everything.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 20:03:49 -0700 From: "marlon" Subject: Re: factory fest (tunnelvision/acr/crispies) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "AudioPig" > :And while I'm wallowing in old Factory muck, anyone know if A Certain > :Ratio's first, > :apparently quite rare 7" -- All Night Party/Thin Boys (or maybe it > :was Wide Boys ... whichever one they didn't do, I believe John Foxx's > :Ultravox did do, if that makes any sense) "wide boys" was on ultravoxs first album (that eno produced) and wallowing in factory product sounds sane to me too ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 23:33:06 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: factory fest (tunnelvision/acr/crispies) >----- Original Message ----- >From: "AudioPig" > >> :And while I'm wallowing in old Factory muck, anyone know if A Certain >> :Ratio's first, >> :apparently quite rare 7" -- All Night Party/Thin Boys (or maybe it >> :was Wide Boys ... whichever one they didn't do, I believe John Foxx's >> :Ultravox did do, if that makes any sense) > >"wide boys" was on ultravoxs first album (that eno produced) and wallowing >in factory product sounds sane to me too Yep. Good album. I've been beating a correspondent of mine about the head & shoulders lately, via e-mail, for telling me that he'd given it a listen a few years back but traded it in because he felt it fell far short of the Midge-Ure-era U'vox that he liked so much. I mean, I'm one of the more overt '80s New Wave partisans on this list, but for god's *sake*, man ... Speaking of which, I could probably find this out myself with a modicum of research, but I've got to go repair to bed ASAP -- anyone know whether the first U'vox was the first album that Eno ever produced (except perhaps for his own projects), as I speculated might be the case a few days ago in an e-mail to the above miscreant? Dan Dan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 00:02:00 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: factory fest (tunnelvision/acr/crispies) > >>>Come to think of it, *that* single may be what Tunnelvision remind me of >most. Or maybe it's Crispy Ambulance's Not What I Expected, dubbed at the >same time off the same friend, the bastard. (Alas, judging from the track >listings, that truly great 10" is about the only Crispies vinyl *not* >included on LTM's >Plateau Phase & Fin reissues.)<< > >TVN would certinaly have heard the ACR, but not the Crispies. Virtually the >entire set was written - and the demo recorded - before they would have ever >heard Crispy Ambulance. Oh, despite the way it might have sounded, I didn't mean to suggest that TVN were *aping* the Crispies or ACR (which of course is the sort of premise that the critics apparently couldn't get over, judging from the CD booklet) by any means ... just that they were plugged into a very similar vibe, or zeitgeist, or what have you. Speaking of other bands in a similar vein, does anyone know anything about a Manchester band called the Colors Out of Time? I stumbled across their first single, Dancing With Joy (Division?)/Rock Section/Mambo Girls Mambo, in Phoenix after reading a favorable review in god only knows what fanzine & was quite impressed. Spent about 17 years trying to determine whether an announcement I'd seen in an issue of that Rough Trade zine (Masterbag? Catalogue?) of their forthcoming 2nd single, She Spins (presumably also on their own label, Monsters in Orbit), ever actually came to pass ... till in response to a query about 2 years ago someone on the punk77 list pointed me to a seller in Greece or some such place who actually had a copy. Stupidly, I didn't follow up. Dan ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #107 *******************************