From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #106 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, April 21 2000 Volume 03 : Number 106 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Wire/ Fall crossover ["Stephen Jackson" ] Re: Twopenneth on the Fall [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: Wire/ Fall crossover [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re[2]: Twopenneth on the Fall [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] coum on now [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re: coum on now [Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk] Re: Fall/Wireviews Swim compy ["tube disaster" ] Re: Shift-Work ["Paul Pietromonaco" ] Re: Shift-Work [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: Like a Drill in the Heather (was: Hail the New Puritan) ["ian barrett] My Wire 120 Minutes/rfh review website [Paul Pietromonaco ] Re: Re[2]: Rudimentary Peni / anorak corner ["ian barrett" ] Re: Shift-Work ["tube disaster" ] Re: Re[2]: Twopenneth on the Fall ["marlon" ] factory fest (tunnelvision/acr/crispies) ["tube disaster" Subject: Wire/ Fall crossover With so much talk of the Fall recently, some of you might be interested in Mark E Smith's comments in Select this month... "Fuckin' 'ell! It's like the Hammer House of Horror! Mark E Smith, leader of the Fall is cackling with glee at the appearance of Wire on the front of The Wire. Gavin Rossdale (of Bush, interviewed together) is similarly amused by Wire's bald, OAP appearance..."Are we dead or what?" scoffs Mark...... Steve. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I'll leave graffiti where you've never been kissed. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 09:02:26 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Twopenneth on the Fall John, << Yes on Nation's Saving Grace tour, yes during the two drum WAFWO period - saw them like this at a Save the GLC festival in Brixton in 1984 - first fall gig and right impressed I was too, but towards the end they went right off. Agree that Frenz was utter dross. >> Pretty sure I was at thet Brixton gig. I seem to remember the bill including Spear of Destiny and Strawberry Switchblade (!!) Not my first Fall gig though....I was well into double figures by then! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 15:00:47 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re: Wire/ Fall crossover wonder if the band chose that shot? if so , i'd hate to see the ones they rejected....... however , having seen mes in the flesh last week he sure as hell ain't gonna be mistaken for gavin "nearvana" rossdale in a hurry himself.... still , things could be worse. anyone else see shane mcgowan on jo whiley last night? p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Wire/ Fall crossover Author: MIME:smj@zen.co.uk at INTERNET Date: 20/04/2000 13:48 With so much talk of the Fall recently, some of you might be interested in Mark E Smith's comments in Select this month... "Fuckin' 'ell! It's like the Hammer House of Horror! Mark E Smith, leader of the Fall is cackling with glee at the appearance of Wire on the front of The Wire. Gavin Rossdale (of Bush, interviewed together) is similarly amused by Wire's bald, OAP appearance..."Are we dead or what?" scoffs Mark...... Steve. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I'll leave graffiti where you've never been kissed. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 15:20:45 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: Twopenneth on the Fall Pretty sure I was at thet Brixton gig. I seem to remember the bill including Spear of Destiny and Strawberry Switchblade (!!) >>>>> excellent combination. i can imagine mes and kirk brandon getting on really well together backstage..... p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 15:40:49 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: coum on now i've just started reading last years "wreckers of civilization" book on coum/throbbing gristle. its pretty interesting reading about what they got up to in their coum "performance art" days , although the author is a bit of an unquestioning fan and a slightly more critical approach might have worked better. anyway , one thing i thought i'd share was in the mid-seventies gen and cosey did a lot of performances based on a theory of blue = female , orange = male. they'd do things like fill a stage with props painted half each colour , or gen would wear an orange outfit and cosey a blue one and they'd slowly swop. (i guess you had to be there). so i presume this is the thinking behind colins "the orange house and the blue house" , probably my favourite track on "bastard". some sort of oblique reference to him and malka i suppose. or maybe i'm completely wrong.p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:54:21 +0100 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: Re: coum on now The Whitechapel Art Gallery put on an exhibition last month displaying, among other things, one of Cosey's costumers, few pics of GP and Cosey and a centre spread ... of Cosey. I've had a flick through the book and from what i can gather it's pretty comprehensive. Chris. (Will they put the Chameleons tickets on sale for crying out loud!?!?!) paul.rabjohn@ssab.com on 20/04/2000 15:40:49 To: idealcopy@smoe.org cc: (bcc: Chris Ray/Finance/MEDAS) Subject: coum on now i've just started reading last years "wreckers of civilization" book on coum/throbbing gristle. its pretty interesting reading about what they got up to in their coum "performance art" days , although the author is a bit of an unquestioning fan and a slightly more critical approach might have worked better. anyway , one thing i thought i'd share was in the mid-seventies gen and cosey did a lot of performances based on a theory of blue = female , orange = male. they'd do things like fill a stage with props painted half each colour , or gen would wear an orange outfit and cosey a blue one and they'd slowly swop. (i guess you had to be there). so i presume this is the thinking behind colins "the orange house and the blue house" , probably my favourite track on "bastard". some sort of oblique reference to him and malka i suppose. or maybe i'm completely wrong.p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 09:08:18 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: Fall/Wireviews Swim compy >Thought I'd bung in my 2p regarding The Fall; a few >years back I as quite the Fall aficionado and own a >daft amount of their stuff. I actually thought >Levitate was great, and it remains my favourite one of >theirs after the cliche Nations Saving Grace. >However, I bought Marshal Suite not too long ago and, >well, thought it was utter crap, really. For me it >had pretty much no redeeming features whatsoever. >Still, it's all subjective, right? Right. Which is why I find Marshall Suite a somewhat reassuring semi-return to form after, for me, the largely unlistenable Levitate ... Dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 09:12:47 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: Twopenneth on the Fall >> >>for all they've done i'd still rate "live at the witch trials" as my fave.<< >> >> Ah, you're just an old punker!....Witch Trials is great - though I prefer >> Dragnet (genuinely sinister) and Grotesque (one of the funniest albums ever >> made...MES yelling 'Pay the Borough!' over deranged punk-rockabilliy that >> sounds like it was recorded on a portable cassette player... no wonder >> Americans are usually baffled by the Fall!) > >How can anyone not like these three LPs? But from the earlier stuff you >gotta add Hex Enduction Hour - which used to be referred to as mid period >Fall when I was a young lad - with Winter prob my fave off that LP. > >> >>i know what you mean about the brix-era albums , but i thought that line up >> was great live.<< > >Yes on Nation's Saving Grace tour, yes during the two drum WAFWO period - >saw them like this at a Save the GLC festival in Brixton in 1984 - first >fall gig and right impressed I was too, but towards the end they went >right off. Agree that Frenz was utter dross. >> >> Frenz Experiment being particularly filler-full.... Heresy! The last really good thing they did before Shiftwork came along, though the intervening albums each has more top-notch moments than the vast majority of bands muster in their *careers* ... I got bored with the late >> '80s albums, but they got it back together in the early '90s with 'Extricate' >> and 'Shiftwork' before losing it again.... Extricate has Martin Bramah on >> guitar. > >Saw Extricate tour at Cov Poly and they were awesome again. But seen on >subsequent tours in Brum and Leics circa Shiftwork and they were awful. > >Back to awesome again with Infotainment Scan and Middle CLass REvolt but >not convinced by LIght User. Oddly enough, I did like Cerebral Caustic. >Saw them at Brum and Sheffield circa Infotainment and MCR. How come noone >has menitioned MC REvolt as a top fall album? Ummm ... because it's not? But see my note above about "the intervening albums" ... it applies here, too. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 08:30:54 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: Shift-Work > > >> (hmmm ... by my count, > > >> we're overdue by at least 2 such comps) > > > >Innt there a new singles comp? We have it at the record store > >where I spend a few (paid) hours. It's called, er, um, "Baseball > >Caps Reversed?" No, no . . . "Dyin' for a Pee?" "Do you do you > >do you know why I hate you bay-bay?" (is it Nike or Gatorade > >that's using the Monks ["Monk Time"] in a tv ad?) Crap. I don't > >remember, but it's the past ten years or so singles. > > Jesus, if you're serious, please let me know the title. Isn't somebody on > here on FallNet (well, besides me, who as noted before quit bothering to > read them more than a year ago)? > Are you talking about "A Past Gone Mad"? That's the lastest Fall release that I'm aware of. I picked it up in England when I was there in February. It's a collection of tracks selected by Stewart Lee, who (apparently) is a commedian. It's supposed to collect the best of the fall from 1990-2000. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 12:02:18 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Shift-Work Paul, << Are you talking about "A Past Gone Mad"? That's the lastest Fall release that I'm aware of. I picked it up in England when I was there in February. It's a collection of tracks selected by Stewart Lee, who (apparently) is a commedian. It's supposed to collect the best of the fall from 1990-2000. >> And a most bizzarre selection it is too. Contains few of the really good tracks from the period....and some real duffers.....though again it's all subjective ;-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 23:30:29 +0100 From: "ian barrett" Subject: Re: Like a Drill in the Heather (was: Hail the New Puritan) > > > there's one scene > > where a radio is playing; the DJ announces the next song as being (something > > like) "Teenage Suicide; Don't Do It" by some fictional band who I think are > > mentioned at various points in the film, and a couple of bars are heard > > before either the scene ends or somebody switches off the radio. And I > > could almost SWEAR that the musical fragment was from the original 'Drill'; > > I stuck it out to the end of the film to check the credits, and sure enough, > > no mention was made. Perhaps when/if you watch the film again......? > > The fictional band is called Big Fun, and they sound like drippy shit. > There's no Wire related anything about the song. > > It's funny, I guess, which is like *some* Wire, but not funny in the same > way. > > -Joshua Curses! Maybe some wag at Channel 4 overdubbed this bit. Or maybe I was nodding off. I'm perplexed, but resigned. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:16:56 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: My Wire 120 Minutes/rfh review website Hi everyone, Okay, U.S. West disconnected my DSL last night, and since I don't have fixed IP (yet..) the URL changed. So, here's the sites that this list has been watching: http://216.160.72.62/rfh http://216.160.72.62/wire http://216.160.72.62/aphex http://http://216.160.72.62/swervedriver (Okay - the last one is new, but might be of interest to some members. It's the "Last Train To Satansville" video from Swervedriver. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 19:19:59 +0100 From: "ian barrett" Subject: Re: Re[2]: Rudimentary Peni / anorak corner > >regrettably, i think Psychick TV, however you spell it, would win any >extended prolificity contest, particularly if you included solo albums and >related projects. didn't they release a whole box set of new material that >came in a briefcase once? > What about that guy Muzlimgauze? He was churning albums out at a rate of about one a month before his recent death. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 19:15:57 +0100 From: "ian barrett" Subject: Re: Re[2]: rfh review .> Anyone know if anything ever came out from Ark, the band that Hanley & > Scanlon joined (formed?) after their final dust-up with MES? > > Dan > I saw Ark play live in Leeds, probably about a year ago. My reactions and emotions were mixed, having also seen The Fall around the time of the major rupture which lead to the departure of Hanley etc. Musically, very tight, very punchy; but the vocalist just didn't fit. A young, long haired, leather trousered, open shirted, about-as-far-from-MES-as-you could-get type who looked as if he was keeping somebody's seat warm for them. Whether they got round to releasing anything I couldn't say. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 18:25:04 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: Shift-Work >> > >> (hmmm ... by my count, >> > >> we're overdue by at least 2 such comps) >> > >> >Innt there a new singles comp? We have it at the record store >> >where I spend a few (paid) hours. It's called, er, um, "Baseball >> >Caps Reversed?" No, no . . . "Dyin' for a Pee?" "Do you do you >> >do you know why I hate you bay-bay?" (is it Nike or Gatorade >> >that's using the Monks ["Monk Time"] in a tv ad?) Crap. I don't >> >remember, but it's the past ten years or so singles. >> >> Jesus, if you're serious, please let me know the title. Isn't somebody on >> here on FallNet (well, besides me, who as noted before quit bothering to >> read them more than a year ago)? >> >Are you talking about "A Past Gone Mad"? That's the lastest Fall release >that I'm aware of. I picked it up in England when I was there in February. > It's a collection of tracks selected by Stewart Lee, who (apparently) is a >commedian. It's supposed to collect the best of the fall from 1990-2000. Yeah ... some equivalent gathering of old Fall tracks seems to come out every couple of months. What I'm hoping for is a collection of singles, esp. non-LP tracks, proper (as if anything from The Fall could really be termed "proper"), a la Early Years or the 4584869s. We got one for the (approximate dates here) '77-'79 stuff, & another one for '80-'83, & then one for '84-'89 ... someone's timing has been *really* off for the last decade, I'd say. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 21:12:10 -0700 From: "marlon" Subject: Re: Re[2]: Twopenneth on the Fall spear of destiny - wonderful wonderful - eastworld westworld - wonderwall came crashing down - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 7:20 AM Subject: Re[2]: Twopenneth on the Fall > > Pretty sure I was at thet Brixton gig. I seem to remember the bill including Spear of Destiny and Strawberry Switchblade (!!) > >>>>> excellent combination. i can imagine mes and kirk brandon getting on really well together backstage..... p > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:18:26 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: factory fest (tunnelvision/acr/crispies) I'm pleased to report that, after whining & crying here a couple of weeks ago over the possibility that it might be unavailable, yesterday the mailman brought me the Tunnelvision CD on LTM. (Turns out that I needn't have gone to the bother of ordering it from a British vendor, as it & the other LTM discs -- including the various Crispy Ambulance, Section 25 & Josef K releases, most of which I summarily ordered as soon as I found out -- seem to be available from, if memory serves, darlapop.com [I've been having bizarre computer problems the last couple of days & now find that I can't call up any sites without getting an "internal error" message, so can't check] at domestic prices.) I've haven't yet had a chance for a complete playing, but what I've heard has impressed me. I'm reminded less of Joy Division per se than some of the other bands they influenced, esp. early Crispy Ambulance &, even more, somebody I can't *quite* place & don't feel like ransacking my record collection (which could take days, anyway) to discover ... possibly Lack of Knowledge. (Anybody remember them? An odd pedigree ... their 2nd 7" was on Crass, & their LP, The Sirens Are Back, came out I believe on the Crass-affiliated Corpus Christi label. And yet as I noted at the time, in one of the last 2 or 3 fanzine reviews I ever wrote, back in early '84, they showed far more signs of having listened to Crispy Ambulance than to Crass, & would've sounded perfectly at home on Factory. Later on, 2/3rds of the band -- bassist Tony Barber & drummer Phil Barker -- wound up in the latter-day incarnation of the Buzzcocks. All of which explains Barker's otherwise odd-seeming involvement with the Stratford Mercenaries, who of course also include Steve Ignorant &, I believe, alumni of Conflict & DIRT. Anyway, I digress horribly ...) Anyone have any idea of how the CD's demo version of Morbid Fear/Watching the Hydroplanes compares to the Factory 7"? I could've sworn that the same guy who taped me the Names' Swimming LP & Nightshift 7" back in the early '80s (speaking of whom, I was cheered to see that LTM are looking at an October release of a Names CD) did the same with the Tunnelvision, but if so I haven't been able to find it in about 16 years, so that's that. And while I'm wallowing in old Factory muck, anyone know if A Certain Ratio's first, apparently quite rare 7" -- All Night Party/Thin Boys (or maybe it was Wide Boys ... whichever one they didn't do, I believe John Foxx's Ultravox did do, if that makes any sense) -- was ever anthologized? I've only got it on a normal-bias tape, dubbed from a friend's 7" nearly 2 decades ago ... Come to think of it, *that* single may be what Tunnelvision remind me of most. Or maybe it's Crispy Ambulance's Not What I Expected, dubbed at the same time off the same friend, the bastard. (Alas, judging from the track listings, that truly great 10" is about the only Crispies vinyl *not* included on LTM's Plateau Phase & Fin reissues.) Dan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 01:34:21 -0500 From: "AudioPig" Subject: Re: factory fest (tunnelvision/acr/crispies) :And while I'm wallowing in old Factory muck, anyone know if A Certain :Ratio's first, :apparently quite rare 7" -- All Night Party/Thin Boys (or maybe it :was Wide Boys ... whichever one they didn't do, I believe John Foxx's :Ultravox did do, if that makes any sense) -- was ever anthologized? I've :only got it on a normal-bias tape, dubbed from a friend's 7" nearly 2 :decades ago ... : "Thin Boys" appears on the 'Old & The New' compilation, reissued on CD by Factory/Creation a few years ago...a live version of "All Night Party" shows up on the 'Graveyard & The Ballroom' album, pressed on CD at the same time as the above. i think the only place the original 7" version of the song shows up on CD is one of the 4 'Palatine' compilations, forget which one... ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #106 *******************************