From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #103 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, April 18 2000 Volume 03 : Number 103 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Hail the New Puritan ["Wilson, Paul" ] Re: Hail the New Puritan [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] hail the new puritan ["andy and sheri wiseman" ] Long Trailing Messages (was All Tommorows Parties/Jam/MTV) ["Paul Pietrom] Re: All Tommorows Parties/Jam/MTV ["JH3" ] Re: Hail the New Puritan ["ian barrett" ] Re: shirts?B ["tube disaster" ] Re: Long Trailing Messages (was All Tommorows Parties/Jam/MTV) [Miles Goo] Re: rfh review ["andy and sheri wiseman" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 09:59:17 +0100 From: "Wilson, Paul" Subject: Hail the New Puritan While we're on the subject of videos - does anyone have a copy of the film "Hail the New Puritan"? It was directed by Charles Atlas (?). I had a copy I'd taped from Channel 4, here in the UK, but it got mangled and destroyed by a useless video player some years ago. The film was basically a documentary about Michael Clarke. He was dancing around for most of it, to music by The Fall - hence the film's title. If anyone has it, or can remember it, were there any Wire songs in it? Did it ever get an official release? Is it still available anywhere? Is there anyone out there who could do me a PAL copy, for a reasonable price (i.e. - not much more than cost)? Paul KW ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:33:08 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re: Hail the New Puritan this rings a vague bell but i've never seen it. the only mc pieces i've seen were the 89 "because we must" (which had a lot of wire in it) , and the "tx" film shown on bbc2 the night of the nottm gig. that had no wire but a lot of big bottom (who contain 1/3 of he said omala) , i really enjoyed the music on that. i can't believe "new puritan" got a commercial release somehow. the other thing that must exist somewhere is "bloodlines" by bruce , on the sleeve it says it was done for channel 4. anyone ever see it? no doubt it didn't exactly get shown on prime time.p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Hail the New Puritan Author: MIME:P.Wilson@bury.gov.uk at INTERNET Date: 17/04/2000 11:03 While we're on the subject of videos - does anyone have a copy of the film "Hail the New Puritan"? It was directed by Charles Atlas (?). I had a copy I'd taped from Channel 4, here in the UK, but it got mangled and destroyed by a useless video player some years ago. The film was basically a documentary about Michael Clarke. He was dancing around for most of it, to music by The Fall - hence the film's title. If anyone has it, or can remember it, were there any Wire songs in it? Did it ever get an official release? Is it still available anywhere? Is there anyone out there who could do me a PAL copy, for a reasonable price (i.e. - not much more than cost)? Paul KW ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:51:22 +0100 From: "andy and sheri wiseman" Subject: hail the new puritan i can remember a documentary about michael clarke when most of the music was slates era fall.there was also stuff about how he turned away from the royal ballet classical career thing to form his own troop.this pre-dates the curious orange nonsense,if i have anything on vhs i'll be in touch. re:band names. i always thought jim(clint ruin)thirwell could have had the commercial success of the the had he not called the band ...foetus... your favourite foetus incarnations please,and anyone know what he's up to these days(i lost interest with wiseblood). a.w ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 09:18:02 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Long Trailing Messages (was All Tommorows Parties/Jam/MTV) RE: long trailing messages. I've been trying to write this e-mail response without sounding petty or vindictive, and I can't do it. So, if the tone seems snide, I'm sorry. I'm sorta pissed off. Some of us put a lot of time in our e-mails, and any criticism stings like hell. Personally, I like long trailing messages. I don't plan on editing any more than I've done in the past. Since I see so many messages throughout the day, I need the reference as to what we're talking about - all of it. And, I've got the bandwidth at home and at work to handle it. I delete most messages after I recieve 'em. So, the threads vanish for me if they're not quoted in full. And, I do edit if I deem it appropriate. I guess it just boils down to personal preferences. Okay - I'm down off the soapbox now. No offense Jeffrey - I know that long trailing messages bug you as much as people telling me to delete long trailing messages bug me. Cheers, Paul - ---------- > From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey > To: Grand Mute Proof > Subject: Re: All Tommorows Parties/Jam/MTV > Date: Sunday, April 16, 2000 12:32 PM > > On Sat, 15 Apr 2000, Paul Pietromonaco wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > Okay - I've got two of 'em done. I did the Autechre video "Second Bad > > Vilbel" and Aphex Twin's "Donkey Rhubarb". They're about 19 megs each - - > > QuickTime compression. Sorry about the size - I had to go to 30 fps to > > catch all of the fast edits. There's a lot of blinking in these videos. > > First: thanks, Paul. But what's the URL? > > Second: I'm mercifully deleting the six or seven replied-to messages that > trailed Paul's post - but PUH-LEASE, can we delete the stuff that isn't > directly relevant to whatever we're talking about? > > Paul's not the only one failing to do this, by a long shot - seems like > most posts to the list are dragging the internet equivalent of a long, > straggly roll of toilet paper attached to one's shoes (or worse). > > The operation of the delete key is not difficult... > > Jeff > > Ceci n'est pas une .sig ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:16:46 -0500 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: All Tommorows Parties/Jam/MTV >> From: Paul Pietromonaco >> Okay - I've got two of 'em done. I did the Autechre video >>"Second Bad Vilbel" and Aphex Twin's "Donkey Rhubarb". Hey, thanks for posting that, Paul! Interesting stuff... I doubt it will interest anyone to know this, but MTV2 (aka "M2") has been using Second Bad Vilbel as background music for their between-video "latest band news" spots for months. Perhaps you knew that. I had no idea what it was until now... Speaking of MTV2, they just finished their "A-Z" thing where they ran every video ever played on MTV (in alphabetical order by song title) over the course of 4 months. Somebody sent me a CSV list of them (591 KB), and apparently the Wire videos they showed were Ahead, Eardrum Buzz, In Vivo, Kidney Bingoes, and Silk Skin Paws; also He Said's Could You. Probably the last time they'll ever run any of them... John "H" Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 20:03:54 +0100 From: "ian barrett" Subject: Re: Hail the New Puritan There used to be a programme on Channel 4 called Alter Image which ran on Thursday evenings at about 8.30. They once had a performance of The Shivering Man (which I missed - not sure if M Clarke was involved in it). They also featured The Residents once, so that programme may have been a vehicle for Bloodlines. M Clarke and co also appeared on The Old Grey Whistle Test once, performing on stage with The Fall, who played 'Lay of the Land'. By the way, this has very possibly been covered in the past, but is that a confirmed and acknowledged use of 'Drill' in the film 'Heathers?' - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 11:33 AM Subject: Re: Hail the New Puritan > this rings a vague bell but i've never seen it. the only mc pieces i've seen were the 89 "because we must" (which had a lot of wire in it) , and the "tx" film shown on bbc2 the night of the nottm gig. that had no wire but a lot of big bottom (who contain 1/3 of he said omala) , i really enjoyed the music on that. i can't believe "new puritan" got a commercial release somehow. > > the other thing that must exist somewhere is "bloodlines" by bruce , on the sleeve it says it was done for channel 4. anyone ever see it? no doubt it didn't exactly get shown on prime time.p > > Author: MIME:P.Wilson@bury.gov.uk at INTERNET > Date: 17/04/2000 11:03 > While we're on the subject of videos - does anyone have a copy of the film "Hail the New Puritan"? It was directed by Charles Atlas (?). I had a copy I'd taped from Channel 4, here in the UK, but it got mangled and destroyed by a useless video player some years ago. The film was basically a documentary about Michael Clarke. He was dancing around for most of it, to music by The Fall - hence the film's title. > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:27:32 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: shirts?B Hell, why didn't you bloody *say* so? I'll take -- as *evidence*, of course -- the Outdoor Miner sleeve on XXL dark gray, if you please, though black is perfectly acceptable, too. Dan >Hell, I could do them cheaper than that and one at a >time. But that would be illegal then wouldn't it? > >Cheers, >Billy >(wearing my newly made Duet Emmo tee...) > >--- tube disaster wrote: >> >> Not to take away any possible revenue from the band >> &/or WMO, but the only >> T-shirt plans I know of are for Pink Flag on the >> tour ... Anyone interested >> in exploring the following, copied from another list >> I'm on? >> >> Dan >> >> >>Hi, I'm a graphic artist and I work at a Tshirt >> shop. I have access to >> all >> the equipment. Every once in a while I do a run of >> unlicensed shirts ... >> >> If I can get a majority of people on this list to >> decide on more graphics of >> punk icons that I can print, I'd be willing to do a >> run. I charge $10 per >> shirt(price includes postage anywhere in the US). >> >> Here are some of the the things that I've been >> wanting to print. 1st record >> Clash logo, anything related to The Addicts, The Jam >> logo from In The City, >> an early Alice Cooper portrait, and anything >> Thunders-related. I would >> mention Iggy, but I'm from detroit and there are way >> too many posers runnin >> around in Iggy and MC5 shirts right now. Let me >> know if there are any cool >> punk/rock n roll show poster websites. >> I'll only print a graphic if I can get 10 people to >> buy it.<< >> >> >> >> > >===== >. ./\/\/\. > [ . . ] > /\ > -- -Get Well Sammy! (R)SOT Ltd. >http://depechemode.acmecity.com/freestate/54 >http://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. >http://invites.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 22:27:46 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Long Trailing Messages (was All Tommorows Parties/Jam/MTV) At 09:18 AM 04/17/2000 -0700, Paul Pietromonaco wrote: >Some of us put a lot of time in our e-mails, and any criticism stings like >hell. Personally, I like long trailing messages. I don't plan on editing >any more than I've done in the past. Since I see so many messages >throughout the day, I need the reference as to what we're talking about - >all of it. And, I've got the bandwidth at home and at work to handle it. >I delete most messages after I recieve 'em. So, the threads vanish for me >if they're not quoted in full. And, I do edit if I deem it appropriate. > >I guess it just boils down to personal preferences. Nope, it doesn't. The key part of your message is "I've got the bandwidth at home" -- even with DSL, cable modems, and more generous e-mail space allowances proliferating, there are many people who don't have the bandwidth, and who may be leaving the list or sacrificing another interesting list to stay on this one. It shouldn't be that way. Just because I could send a 200k animated .gif to the list without challenging the resources of my computer or ISP doesn't mean that it's a good idea for me to do it, or that I'm doing anyone a favor by doing it. This seems like an easy "golden rule" call. My interest as listowner is to keep this community accessible to as many people as possible. List configuration switches already allow me to enforce certain standards -- automatic bouncing of HTML messages (which many users such as those connecting through UNIX dumb terminals at universities *cannot* read) and of messages that exceed a certain character length (handy for those who quote a whole *digest* at a go!). I could take control of the over-quoting issue too -- by making every post subject to my approval. But that would be a time consuming task that would also slow the flow of information to a snail's pace. I hope it never comes to that. Judicious quoting is also strongly suggested in the list welcome message, and this suggestion was also posted to the list at the same time, not to mention the too-frequent (IMO) reminders I've issued about it. We want quoting and context, we really do! But keeping whole threads in your message isn't just unnecessary, it's impolite, no matter what your intentions. So please take care with this, o.k.? With list traffic way up this year thanks to our heroes' reunion, it's a bigger issue than ever and one I hope everyone will keep in mind. /ruler-wielding nun mode OFF, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 07:53:43 +0100 From: "andy and sheri wiseman" Subject: Re: rfh review i'll send this again html off! -----Original Message----- From: andy and sheri wiseman To: wire Date: 17 April 2000 21:26 Subject: rfh review a very positive review of the rfh gig in the may issue of "uncut" magazine. written by david stubbs who seems to know his stuff.i can,t copy it all but i particularly liked the final sentence."For those who are deadly serious about their ironic intentions,Wire remain a cherished touchstone." exactly! spot on! if you would like the entire review maybe someone with superior typing skills could make a fist(or a least more than one finger). yours a.w incidentally their classic album re-visited is hex enduction hour. spot on again! ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #103 *******************************