From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #101 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, April 16 2000 Volume 03 : Number 101 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: Chicago ["webmaster" ] Re: eBay ["MackDaddyD" ] chicago? ["D.T. Viecelli" ] Re: chicago? ["tube disaster" ] Wire influenced Brian Doherty [MihokoMk@aol.com] Re: All Tommorows Parties/Jam/MTV ["Paul Pietromonaco" ] Re: All Tommorows Parties/Jam/MTV ["Paul Pietromonaco" ] Re: shirts? ["tube disaster" ] Re: Wire influenced Brian Doherty ["tube disaster" ] [none] [owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 07:20:24 -0500 From: "webmaster" Subject: RE: Chicago Dan - I think most will agree, if there's one place to see a Wire gig, it would be in Chicago. Plus Silo are playing the next (?) night! Again, all CHICAGO Ideal Copyists interested in some communal activity, please drop a line to chicago@wiremailorder.com. charles "slightly biased here" /wmo shop@wiremailorder.com http://wiremailorder.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 09:15:43 -0500 From: "MackDaddyD" Subject: Re: eBay i have ahd a fair amount of experience with eBay, and other that the annoying (and marginally useful) feedback mechanism, my experiences are on the whole positive. fiscally, it is a far better place to sell than buy cast-off cds from my collection bring farr more in the far flung reaches of cyberspace than they do at the best used shops in chicago it can be real pricy if you must have the item at any cost, but then you can actually get said item at any cost. d __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 09:43:38 -0500 From: "D.T. Viecelli" Subject: chicago? >Any idea of how ticket sales are going for the Chicago gig? Plenty of tickets remain at this point (about 700). ***************************************************** David T. Viecelli / Boche Billions President THE BILLIONS CORPORATION 833 W. Chicago Ave., ste. 101 Chicago, IL 60622-5497 tel: 312-997-9999 fax: 312-997-2287 web: http://www.billions.com and introducing: BILLIONS AUSTRALIA Adelaide Brisbane Chicago Melbourne Perth Sydney Ask me about it! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 09:10:20 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: chicago? Hmmm. Now I'll have to start looking into how much airfare might be for an overnight flight. Unless, of course, the vast legions of Wire fans in central Arkansas, for whom Chicago AFAIK is the closet tour date, have arranged for a charter without telling me. Dan > >>Any idea of how ticket sales are going for the Chicago gig? > >Plenty of tickets remain at this point (about 700). > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 15:51:27 EDT From: MihokoMk@aol.com Subject: Wire influenced Brian Doherty The following is a short extract from a very long and interesting discussion in Opprobrium 4 with Brian Doherty of Lhasa Cement Plant. The full text is on line at www.info.net.nz/opprobrium/4/ >>Finally, I answered a classified ad in the Village Voice looking for a “visionary” singer/guitarist who was into the Feelies, the Meat Puppets, and Josef K. The namechecked bands suggested an intelligent, unorthodox approach (although I wasn’t yet familiar with Josef K, except as a Kafka character). The “audition” was a lot of fun - it turned that we had a lot of influences in common: Wire, Joy Division, Soft Boys, etc. We ran through a number of Wire and JD classics, and knew right away that it would be worth continuing. The other two musicians were Chuck Marcus (guitar) and Barre Duryea (bass), Barre having recently answered a previous ad of Chuck's. We quickly auditioned for a drummer (and found one - a young woman who happened to be an entertaiment lawyer). I suggested The Love Manual as a name (inspired by ‘The Book of Love’, a popular song) and it stuck. We worked up a repertoire of complex, clever upbeat rock quartet songs. And we played out a number of times in that configuration. The response was really very good and things seemed promising. Then our drummer started going out with a member of a famous New York minimalist “no-wave” duo - and suddenly we just weren’t cool enough. She missed a practice session and we never heard from her again. Her replacement was Nigel French, a powerhouse English drummer. His arrival prompted a name change to The Great Scouts. We continued writing our own songs and learned a number of covers like ‘Astronomy Domine’ by Pink Floyd, ‘Sand In My Joints’ by Wire and ‘Over My Head’ by Pere Ubu. We played places like the Lismar Lounge and the Pyramid Club as well as a strip club on Staten Island. We released a single in 1987 containing three songs, the Minuteman-ish ‘Diamond Boat’, the vaguely REM-ish ‘Camouflage’ and the acerbic ‘1’00”’ (exactly one minute long). This single was played by John Peel on both BBC Home and BBC World Service. Gradually, I became discontented with the relative weediness of our sound, especially in comparison with contemporaries like Band of Susans, Live Skull and the Dustdevils. I tried to inject a lot more volume and noise into the proceedings but Barre wouldn’t have it. There was one last amped-up rehearsal that was about the best thing we ever did and then…nada. The impetus was depleted. All in all, it was an interesting detour for me into the realms of more mainstream rock (in fact, we were turned down at a CBGB’s audition for “sounding too much like the Byrds, Neil Young” and one other group I can't recall right now). << Lhasa Cement Plant's 'I Am Providence' CD on Flydaddy is well worth a listen if you can find a copy. I also wouldn't hesitate to recommend Live Skull (esp. 'Positraction'), Dust Devils (esp. 'Struggling Electric & Chemical') and Band Of Susans to any Wire fans who haven't yet heard them. All these bands are now sadly defunct. Anyone out there ever heard this Great Scouts single? Being sucked in again, Fibreglass Messiah ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 15:50:34 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: All Tommorows Parties/Jam/MTV Hi everyone, Okay - I've got two of 'em done. I did the Autechre video "Second Bad Vilbel" and Aphex Twin's "Donkey Rhubarb". They're about 19 megs each - QuickTime compression. Sorry about the size - I had to go to 30 fps to catch all of the fast edits. There's a lot of blinking in these videos. I'll do more as time permits. Cheers, Paul - ---------- > From: Casper Milquetoast > To: Paul Pietromonaco > Cc: idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: Re: All Tommorows Parties/Jam/MTV > Date: Saturday, April 15, 2000 1:22 AM > > Cool cool, i haven't seen the autechre vid yet, but i had heard about it > and saw a small clip of it on the amp website but not enough to make any > impression. i won't be able to respond to mail through this account for > about a week or so unless i find a way to do it from home. either way if > you give me song links as to where i could get them i'll do my best to > extract the squarepusher vid and send it to you. > > casper > > Paul Pietromonaco wrote: > > > > Okay, that's cool. You'll have to wait for the weekend though - I'm pretty > > booked up today. (^_^) > > > > I've got the Lesbian Robot Bjork video as well. Did you get a quicktime of > > that? The Bjork single has a great video capture of that, although I did > > buy the DVD single. > > > > Say - speaking of Chris Cunningham, have you ever seen the video he did for > > Autechre? For the song Second Bad Vibel, I believe. Really disturbing, > > and cool. I have that on tape - maybe I should digitize that as well? > > (Got it off MTV's AMP, when it was super cool!) > > > > Cheers, > > Paul > > > > ---------- > > > From: Casper Milquetoast > > > To: > > > Cc: idealcopy@smoe.org > > > Subject: Re: All Tommorows Parties/Jam/MTV > > > Date: Friday, April 14, 2000 1:46 AM > > > > > > I am really really really really nice. If you don't already have it I'll > > > do my best to get Come On My Selector which is one of the greatest Chris > > > Conningham vids ever! Better than Come To Daddy, but the quicktime isn't > > > nearly as cool as the real video. > > > > > > /me gives his soul for a Chris Conningham video set, Hell I'd settle for > > > Come On My Selector, Come To Daddy, that Portishead one, and the Lesbian > > > Robot Bjork video. If anyone knows anything else Chris has done please > > > let me know. I hear he's making his own feature length film too, I smell > > > the next David Fincher, only in black and white. And it most likely have > > > a soundtrack equal or greater than Pi. > > > > > > Ohhhhhhhh Orbital Breakbeat Track......... > > > > > > *goes to change pants* > > > > > > casper > > > > > > Paul Pietromonaco wrote: > > > > > > > > Jeez - if you guys are really nice, maybe I'll make a QuickTime of my > > > > Windowlicker video. Oh, yeah, maybe the dancing bear video (Donkey > > Rhubarb > > > > is the title) as well. > > > > > > > > (^_^) > > > > > > > > -Paul ...who also has the Come To Daddy and On videos as well. > > > > > > > > ---------- > > > > > From: Casper Milquetoast > > > > > To: > > > > > Cc: idealcopy@smoe.org > > > > > Subject: Re: All Tommorows Parties/Jam/MTV > > > > > Date: Thursday, April 13, 2000 8:14 PM > > > > > > > > > > With the exception of one video I've seen, just about every Aphex > > Twin > > > > > video is a masterpeice of cinema. I've been looking for a quicktime > > > > > version of Window Licker and any other video off of the Come To Daddy > > > > > set. I cannot remember the song for the life of me (probably film or > > the > > > > > track following) but it contains these large "grateful deadish" bears > > > > > with the RDJ face stamped into it. It has to be the most hilarious > > peice > > > > > of film I have ever witnessed. If anyone has a quicktime version of > > that > > > > > I *might* be able to hook you up with a copy of the Chris Conningham > > > > > (spel?) video "Come On My Selector" by Squarepusher (because whatever > > > > > peice of film this man touches is beautiful). I just have to figure a > > > > > way to get it off the cd to send. > > > > > > > > > > casper > > > > > > > > > > ian barrett wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/April/2000 wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was there so I'll talk about it..... > > > > > > > > > > > > Hats off all round to Tim! > > > > > > > > > > > > > Forgive me if I've missed anything or got the order wrong, I had > > > > > > > been listening to Aphex Twins set in the early hours of the > > previous > > > > > > > morning and was a little worse for wear. > > > > > > > > > > > > Speaking of Aphex Twin, MTV's (ahem) Alternative Nation* featured > > an > > > > > > old(er) bit of ATwin the other night, some track from "I Care > > Because > > > > You > > > > > > Do" or whatever it's called. ALSO Chris Morris's new series "Jam" > > on > > > > C4 > > > > > > has used ATwin on the soundtrack (also featured so far have been > > Eno, > > > > Barry > > > > > > Adamson, To Rococo Rot etc). A good viewing tip that one, if you > > fancy > > > > > > seeing somebody's nightmares/chemical hallucinations committed to > > film. > > > > > > * Don't want to be too hard on the show that brought me the videos > > of > > > > In > > > > > > Vivo, Post Code Orange and something from My Pet Fish, but whenever > > I > > > > watch > > > > > > (and it's the only reason I retain MTV) I usually feel pretty let > > down. > > > > Did > > > > > > it have better days? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 15:54:52 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: All Tommorows Parties/Jam/MTV You know, in retrospect, it would probably be a good idea if I told you where they were... (^_^;;) http://63.225.175.81/aphex Oh - and, please don't copy these for all of your friends. They're for your own personal use only. (This is copyrighted material, after all...) Cheers, Paul - ---------- > From: Paul Pietromonaco > To: idealcopy@smoe.org > Cc: Casper Milquetoast > Subject: Re: All Tommorows Parties/Jam/MTV > Date: Saturday, April 15, 2000 3:50 PM > > Hi everyone, > Okay - I've got two of 'em done. I did the Autechre video "Second Bad > Vilbel" and Aphex Twin's "Donkey Rhubarb". They're about 19 megs each - > QuickTime compression. Sorry about the size - I had to go to 30 fps to > catch all of the fast edits. There's a lot of blinking in these videos. > I'll do more as time permits. > Cheers, > Paul > > ---------- > > From: Casper Milquetoast > > To: Paul Pietromonaco > > Cc: idealcopy@smoe.org > > Subject: Re: All Tommorows Parties/Jam/MTV > > Date: Saturday, April 15, 2000 1:22 AM > > > > Cool cool, i haven't seen the autechre vid yet, but i had heard about it > > and saw a small clip of it on the amp website but not enough to make any > > impression. i won't be able to respond to mail through this account for > > about a week or so unless i find a way to do it from home. either way if > > you give me song links as to where i could get them i'll do my best to > > extract the squarepusher vid and send it to you. > > > > casper > > > > Paul Pietromonaco wrote: > > > > > > Okay, that's cool. You'll have to wait for the weekend though - I'm > pretty > > > booked up today. (^_^) > > > > > > I've got the Lesbian Robot Bjork video as well. Did you get a > quicktime of > > > that? The Bjork single has a great video capture of that, although I > did > > > buy the DVD single. > > > > > > Say - speaking of Chris Cunningham, have you ever seen the video he did > for > > > Autechre? For the song Second Bad Vibel, I believe. Really > disturbing, > > > and cool. I have that on tape - maybe I should digitize that as well? > > > (Got it off MTV's AMP, when it was super cool!) > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Paul > > > > > > ---------- > > > > From: Casper Milquetoast > > > > To: > > > > Cc: idealcopy@smoe.org > > > > Subject: Re: All Tommorows Parties/Jam/MTV > > > > Date: Friday, April 14, 2000 1:46 AM > > > > > > > > I am really really really really nice. If you don't already have it > I'll > > > > do my best to get Come On My Selector which is one of the greatest > Chris > > > > Conningham vids ever! Better than Come To Daddy, but the quicktime > isn't > > > > nearly as cool as the real video. > > > > > > > > /me gives his soul for a Chris Conningham video set, Hell I'd settle > for > > > > Come On My Selector, Come To Daddy, that Portishead one, and the > Lesbian > > > > Robot Bjork video. If anyone knows anything else Chris has done > please > > > > let me know. I hear he's making his own feature length film too, I > smell > > > > the next David Fincher, only in black and white. And it most likely > have > > > > a soundtrack equal or greater than Pi. > > > > > > > > Ohhhhhhhh Orbital Breakbeat Track......... > > > > > > > > *goes to change pants* > > > > > > > > casper > > > > > > > > Paul Pietromonaco wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Jeez - if you guys are really nice, maybe I'll make a QuickTime of > my > > > > > Windowlicker video. Oh, yeah, maybe the dancing bear video (Donkey > > > Rhubarb > > > > > is the title) as well. > > > > > > > > > > (^_^) > > > > > > > > > > -Paul ...who also has the Come To Daddy and On videos as well. > > > > > > > > > > ---------- > > > > > > From: Casper Milquetoast > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Cc: idealcopy@smoe.org > > > > > > Subject: Re: All Tommorows Parties/Jam/MTV > > > > > > Date: Thursday, April 13, 2000 8:14 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > With the exception of one video I've seen, just about every Aphex > > > Twin > > > > > > video is a masterpeice of cinema. I've been looking for a > quicktime > > > > > > version of Window Licker and any other video off of the Come To > Daddy > > > > > > set. I cannot remember the song for the life of me (probably film > or > > > the > > > > > > track following) but it contains these large "grateful deadish" > bears > > > > > > with the RDJ face stamped into it. It has to be the most > hilarious > > > peice > > > > > > of film I have ever witnessed. If anyone has a quicktime version > of > > > that > > > > > > I *might* be able to hook you up with a copy of the Chris > Conningham > > > > > > (spel?) video "Come On My Selector" by Squarepusher (because > whatever > > > > > > peice of film this man touches is beautiful). I just have to > figure a > > > > > > way to get it off the cd to send. > > > > > > > > > > > > casper > > > > > > > > > > > > ian barrett wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/April/2000 wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was there so I'll talk about it..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hats off all round to Tim! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Forgive me if I've missed anything or got the order wrong, I > had > > > > > > > > been listening to Aphex Twins set in the early hours of the > > > previous > > > > > > > > morning and was a little worse for wear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Speaking of Aphex Twin, MTV's (ahem) Alternative Nation* > featured > > > an > > > > > > > old(er) bit of ATwin the other night, some track from "I Care > > > Because > > > > > You > > > > > > > Do" or whatever it's called. ALSO Chris Morris's new series > "Jam" > > > on > > > > > C4 > > > > > > > has used ATwin on the soundtrack (also featured so far have > been > > > Eno, > > > > > Barry > > > > > > > Adamson, To Rococo Rot etc). A good viewing tip that one, if > you > > > fancy > > > > > > > seeing somebody's nightmares/chemical hallucinations committed > to > > > film. > > > > > > > * Don't want to be too hard on the show that brought me the > videos > > > of > > > > > In > > > > > > > Vivo, Post Code Orange and something from My Pet Fish, but > whenever > > > I > > > > > watch > > > > > > > (and it's the only reason I retain MTV) I usually feel pretty > let > > > down. > > > > > Did > > > > > > > it have better days? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 20:08:46 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: shirts? Not to take away any possible revenue from the band &/or WMO, but the only T-shirt plans I know of are for Pink Flag on the tour ... Anyone interested in exploring the following, copied from another list I'm on? Dan >>Hi, I'm a graphic artist and I work at a Tshirt shop. I have access to all the equipment. Every once in a while I do a run of unlicensed shirts ... If I can get a majority of people on this list to decide on more graphics of punk icons that I can print, I'd be willing to do a run. I charge $10 per shirt(price includes postage anywhere in the US). Here are some of the the things that I've been wanting to print. 1st record Clash logo, anything related to The Addicts, The Jam logo from In The City, an early Alice Cooper portrait, and anything Thunders-related. I would mention Iggy, but I'm from detroit and there are way too many posers runnin around in Iggy and MC5 shirts right now. Let me know if there are any cool punk/rock n roll show poster websites. I'll only print a graphic if I can get 10 people to buy it.<< ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 20:24:24 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: Wire influenced Brian Doherty > >Lhasa Cement Plant's 'I Am Providence' CD on Flydaddy is well worth a listen >if you can find a copy. My word ... all that *plus* a title taken from HP Lovecraft's gravestone -- sounds like a must-have. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 20:43:34 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: the room? Considering the width & depth of knowledge of various bands, obscure & otherwise, on this list, I figured I'd post this before resuming typing my fingers to bloody stubs trying various search engines ... Anyway, I'm trying to find info on an '80s Liverpool (vaguely Joy Divisionesque at times ... but then who wasn't?) band called The Room ... more specifically, on the band that lead singer David Jackson formed afterward, in the late '80s. About a year ago I found a link, possibly through GEMM, that informed me for the first time of the existence of the 2nd band, but unfortunately I don't seem to have made a record of the name, & now I can't remember it to save my life or rediscover the aforementioned link. If anyone's memory needs jogging, I know of the following Room releases (the first few were on Box [their own label?], the later ones on Red Flame) -- Motion/Wating Room 7" Bated Breath/In Sickness & Health 7" Things Have Learnt to Walk That Ought to Crawl (speaking of Lovecraft) .../can't call the B-side's name (Flying?) off the top of my head 7" 100 Years/The Whole World Sings 7" Bitter Reaction cassette Indoor Fireworks LP Clear LP (or 12" ... I don't own this one) Much thanks. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 00:33:23 -0400 (EDT) From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [none] with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 205GQJFN; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 18:38:58 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" To: Cc: "Casper Milquetoast" Subject: Re: All Tommorows Parties/Jam/MTV Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 18:39:03 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Okay, due to demand from no-one (^_^), I've placed higher quality videos of the two I've made so far. They're in .AVI format. Intel Indeo 5.0 compression. Don't forget - you might need to download the latest codecs from Intel if you want to play them. (And, yes, the Donkey Rhubarb .AVI is there now - it was compiling when I updated my web page.) Also - normally I'd make the QuickTime videos streaming, but for some reason, it's not working with a 19 meg file. So, they're just flattened for now. Sorry about that. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #101 *******************************