From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #99 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, April 14 2000 Volume 03 : Number 099 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Mary Lou Lord/Bevis Frond/Mormon Tabernacle Choir do Wire [MarkBursa@] New Listmember ["Steve Skeletals" ] Re: Fwd: comment -- The Wire Page [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re: D&E box-set [Wireviews ] Re: Mary Lou Lord/Bevis Frond/Mormon Tabernacle Choir do Wire ["tube disa] RE: Mary Lou Lord/Bevis Frond/Mormon Tabernacle Choir do Wire ["giluz" ] Re: reissues [fernando ] Re: Closer [non-Wire] [fernando ] Live reviews/pics wanted [Wireviews ] Re: New Listmember [george.m.hook@ac.com] Hang Beekeeper? Burn Swimmers? [MihokoMk@aol.com] Re: Closer [MarkBursa@aol.com] RE: Closer ["Sampson, James O." ] Re: All Tommorows Parties/Jam/MTV ["ian barrett" ] Offtopic-Phantom Chords. [BOURGEOISIE ] Mystery Colin appearance??? [BillyD ] Re: Mystery Colin appearance??? [george.m.hook@ac.com] Remaster my Senses [george.m.hook@ac.com] RE: Mary Lou Lord/Bevis Frond/Mormon Tabernacle Choir/2d Grade Recorder Consort do Wire [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: All Tommorows Parties/Jam/MTV [Casper Milquetoast ] Re[2]: Closer [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re[2]: All Tommorows Parties/Jam/MTV [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 05:49:32 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Mary Lou Lord/Bevis Frond/Mormon Tabernacle Choir do Wire Jeffrey, >>Am I hallucinating, or did the Feelies used to cover this one live in the late '80s/early '90s? (Yes, exactly as...)<< Wouldn't have put it past 'em - I guess it would have been faster than the original. The two times I saw the Feelies (86 and 89) they covered Patti Smith's Dancing Barefoot, Take it as it Comes by the Doors, Sedan Delivery by Neil Young, She Said She Said by the Beatles and See no Evil by Television... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 03:15:27 -0700 From: "Steve Skeletals" Subject: New Listmember Hello. I was just flipping through the local weekly paper on the subway coming home tonight when I see that Wire is doing a show here May 3rd! I have never had the opportunity to see Wire live (I lost track of them after 1989) and look forward to it greatly. I don't even have my Wire albums (actually cassettes) anymore. So tomorrow I will see what I can find at various used record stores. I have all these Wire songs going through my head now! Last year I was at a club and "Ahead" came on. It was really great to dance to that, since I hadn't heard it in about 10 years! It really brings all my memories of the mid/late 80s back. I'm really curious about how they sound live and what their new stuff sounds like. -- Steve ...time to play catch-up... http://home.earthlink.net/~skeletals/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:24:36 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re: Fwd: comment -- The Wire Page i had a quick scan at ebay , problem is a) its a bit pricey b) its all us-based so postage makes a lot of small items unrealistic. does anyone here ever buy(or sell) stuff off it? certainly is a lot of wire stuff in there , nothing mega-rare though. just wondering.p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Fwd: comment -- The Wire Page Author: SE:qwerty@CMU.EDU at INTERNET Date: 12/04/2000 19:26 I got this email today. The D&E box contains several rare CD singles. Andrew - ---------- Forwarded message begins here ---------- Could you please spread the word that I have a couple of Wire items for auction on eBay? Here's the numbers: 306368349 - the Document & Eyewitness box set 306372989 - the "Eardrum Buzz" CD3 I'd like to see this stuff go to a good home. :) Cheers chasmÉmac.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 05:57:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Wireviews Subject: Re: D&E box-set - --- paul.rabjohn@ssab.com wrote: > small items unrealistic. does anyone here ever > buy(or sell) stuff off it? certainly is a lot of > wire stuff in there , nothing mega-rare though. > just wondering.p If the D&E box is the same on I saw in London a couple of years back, it contains some CD singles that are still available via Mute... C ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://welcome.to/wireviews News, reviews and dugga. Snub.Comms: http://welcome.to/snub Veer Audio: http://listen.to/veer - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 08:46:36 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: Mary Lou Lord/Bevis Frond/Mormon Tabernacle Choir do Wire >Jeffrey, > >>>Am I hallucinating, or did the Feelies used to cover this one live in the >late '80s/early '90s? > >(Yes, exactly as...)<< > >Wouldn't have put it past 'em - I guess it would have been faster than the >original. The two times I saw the Feelies (86 and 89) they covered Patti >Smith's Dancing Barefoot, Which came out in '88 as the B-side of their Away 12" ... dunno if it ever appeared on LP or not, as the only Feelies album I've got is the first one (on vinyl, which means I don't have the CD's bonus-track addition of their version of Paint It Black, speaking of covers). For a moment there back then, it seemed as if every band on Earth was covering Dancing Barefoot, as the Celibate Rifles, U2 & maybe even REM (via, if memory serves, a flexi with The Bob Fanzine ... I could be confusing that with the U2, though) had versions out about the same time. Which I suppose makes it Patti's equivalent of Outdoor Miner -- a great, but over-covered song. Dan Take it as it Comes by the Doors, Sedan Delivery by >Neil Young, She Said She Said by the Beatles and See no Evil by Television... > >Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 17:07:55 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: Mary Lou Lord/Bevis Frond/Mormon Tabernacle Choir do Wire >For a moment there back >then, it seemed as if every band on Earth was covering Dancing Barefoot, as >the Celibate Rifles, U2 & maybe even REM (via, if memory serves, a flexi >with The Bob Fanzine ... I could be confusing that with the U2, though) had >versions out about the same time. Which I suppose makes it Patti's >equivalent of Outdoor Miner -- a great, but over-covered song. You forgot the excellent cover of Berri Sakharof and Niki Mono (I think I got the name right) in Crammed's "Fuck Your Dreams, This Is Heaven" which also featured Minimal Compacvt and Tuxedomoon. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 17:11:44 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: Mary Lou Lord/Bevis Frond/Mormon Tabernacle Choir do Which I suppose makes it Patti's equivalent of Outdoor Miner -- a great, but over-covered song. Dan >>>>> too true , did you ever hear it butchered by the mission? i saw patti in about 96 and that was about the only oldie she did , a big chunk of her set being covers like "not fade away" , "purple rain" and (i kid you not) "smoke on the water". it was an , er , interesting night.p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 11:39:54 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Mary Lou Lord/Bevis Frond/Mormon Tabernacle Choir do Wire Dan, << Which came out in '88 as the B-side of their Away 12" ... dunno if it ever appeared on LP or not, as the only Feelies album I've got is the first one (on vinyl, which means I don't have the CD's bonus-track addition of their version of Paint It Black, speaking of covers). For a moment there back then, it seemed as if every band on Earth was covering Dancing Barefoot, as the Celibate Rifles, U2 & maybe even REM (via, if memory serves, a flexi with The Bob Fanzine ... I could be confusing that with the U2, though)<< Nope, that was the Feelies version. The 12in issue was later - maybe only on promo copies (I have the Bob version and a promo12in). I'd be pretty sure REM have done it though, given Stipe's Patti infatuation and the sheer volume of covers they've done... >>Which I suppose makes it Patti's equivalent of Outdoor Miner -- a great, but over-covered song. >> About the same I time as I saw the Feelies cover See no evil I also saw REM do it... I guess that's Tom Verlaine's Outdoor Miner! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 09:13:52 -0700 From: fernando Subject: Re: Closer At 04:52 AM 4/5/00, MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: >Atrocity Exhibition fun facts... > >1: It pre-dates Unknown Pleasures (the only Closer song to do so) >2: Its original title was Atro City >3: Hooky plays the guitar, Barney plays the bass. On #3... are you not thinking of Sound of Music? In the live video, you can see the swap... just like in NewOrder's Confusion. - -fernando PS Sorry to re-live all of this... the problem with being out of town for two weeks. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 09:43:29 -0700 From: fernando Subject: Re: reissues Have these re-issues included any improvement in sound? With many of the original issues in bad 80s CD mastering, it would be nice to get improved copies of the 80s albums. thanks, fernando At 11:22 AM 4/5/00, Aaron Mandel wrote: >I had to check in the Wire bin yesterday at the record store, even though >I already have those records. I was surprised -- pleasantly -- to find >that they're just reprintings, not reissues. That is, they look just the >same as they did before, no horrible matching cover art like those >Go-Betweens discs that Beggars Banquet put out a few years ago. > >Even better, The Ideal Copy *is* the 16-track version with "Ahead (II)" on >it, so I grabbed that. > >aaron ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 09:43:02 -0700 From: fernando Subject: Re: Closer [non-Wire] Sorry for the late and off-topic reply... but I was the same way as Miles about Closer... I did not bother to look at the matrix numbers to figure out what is what, and always started with side B... and skip Atrocity E. Even to this day, I do not play it much, and I still play the damn album frequently (along with A Bell Is A Cup, of all things). I agree with AJ that Atrocity is a great way to introduce Closer, but at the same time it is stylistically disjoint from the album's remaining sound. I think that the track did work great in a live context, especially when done as the last one or an encore. For me, Side B to Side A (skip Atrocity) was the way that I listened to for many years... before hearing about the matrix number stuff. - -fernando At 07:02 PM 4/4/00, ajwells@ix.netcom.com wrote: >Miles Goosens wrote: > > > > At 09:08 PM 04/04/2000 -0400, ajwells@ix.netcom.com wrote: > > >marlon wrote: > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > What fatally flaws Closer for me (it is, of course, still an > excellent > > >> > album) is the fact that I not only don't care for Atrocity Exhibition > > >> (it's > > >> > too long by probably 2 minutes, for one thing), it's the bleeding > > >> *opening* > > >> > track. > > > > > >Whew... I cant imagine a more harrowing way to enter the world of Closer > > >than Atrocity Exhibition... > > > > O.K., I have to jump in here and not only second any endorsements of CLOSER > > as just about perfect, but to point out that the original vinyl had *no* > > indication of which side came first. The inner sleeve had the song titles, > > and it was up to you to work out whether the four-song side or the > > five-song side was first. Imagine my surprise when the CD came out and had > > the sides reversed from the way I had been playing them for years! > > > > My reasoning for the side order I chose: > > > > 1) "Heart and Soul" introduces the central theme of the album incredibly > > well ("heart and soul / one will burn"). O.K., "Atrocity Exhibition" could > > also serve in that capacity too. But the most compelling argument for it > > being side two track one was... > > > > 2) The album *must* end with "A Means To an End." Perfect closing > > track. "Decades" just doesn't cut it as an album-ender. In fact, the > > unresolved tone of "Decades" IMO builds tension for "Atrocity Exhibtion," > > making the latter even more harrowing as a side two opener. > > > > Here's to the ambiguities of vinyl, if not to the scratches and pops and > > side-ending compression. > > > > later, > > > > Miles > >Wow thats a new one on me... I guess I was used to reading the chicken >scratches in the run out grooves on the factory stuff for the A and B >sides, or maybe I had read the NME piece that came out before the record >was released going through the running order... but didnt the Saville >Deutche Grammophon style label have an A and B side designation hidden >there somewhere? maybe not, its been awhile... > >Aj >-- > >ICQ# 6174686 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 10:08:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Wireviews Subject: Live reviews/pics wanted Hi all, I am planning on adding a live reviews section to the Wireviews site to accompany Wire's current tours. If anyone would like to submit reviews and/or photographs for future Wireviews updates then please get in touch (directly - no need to mail the list!) I am particularly interested in stuff from the upcoming American tour, the recent Dublin gig (for which I have no info whatsoever) and All Tomorrow's Parties, but if you have an archive review from a previous Wire incarnation that you have written, and/or some old live pictures, then please contact me regarding those too. *As always, full credit will be given for all copy and images used on the site.* Also, there is now just two weeks left until the Swim Team 1 competition closes - so get over to http://welcome.to/wireviews now for your chance to win a copy of this great compilation! Best, Craig/Wireviews. ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://welcome.to/wireviews News, reviews and dugga. Snub.Comms: http://welcome.to/snub Veer Audio: http://listen.to/veer - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:08:28 -0500 From: george.m.hook@ac.com Subject: Re: New Listmember Steve: If you have the cash, pick up the new remasters on Mute. I listened to Manscape and A Bell Is a Cup .... last night, and they are good, clean, clear productions. Manscape is a highly underrated work. For the most part, Mute did a good job, though there are some packaging flaws. The lyric sheet in A Bell Is a Cup has a typo in the word Illinois in the lyric sheet for Follow the Locust (the Illinois Tool Works). Sort of hit home for me. Still a good listen, though. Manscape does not have extra cuts, but A Bell Is a Cup does have some live versions and an alternate version of the Queen of Ur. George ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:17:52 EDT From: MihokoMk@aol.com Subject: Hang Beekeeper? Burn Swimmers? "Burn down the disco Hang the blessed DJ Because the music they constantly play Says nothing to me about my life." The Smiths run in 'Panic' chasing evasive royalty cheques, dressed in their finest Union Jack underpants, knotted hankies on heads, chip papers in hands... "Brave men run into captivity" (see 'Bad Moon Rising' below) Maybe the Beekeeper could cut the DJ down before his neck snaps and hand him some mysterious blacked out CD's... and Swim could pour some cool water on those noxious flames... and the live wires could hum again... Remember: "Queen Victoria is a large black slug in Picadilly Manchester!" (The Fall - 'City Hobgoblins'). Pigeons are now crapping on her head. Fine birds one and all. Oscar Wilde = slug pellets. Not required when the slug has turned to stone and the statue wears a wig of bird shit. The likes of Morrissey are one of the prime problems with 'rock/pop'. I wouldn't like to spend even the duration of 'Field Day For The Sundays' locked inside him!! The 'Panic' lyric suggests that this small egotist cannot allow anything into his ken which doesn't reflect his own petty preening image back at him. He's always aped the wit of Wilde but come on more like a school bitch. Admittedly 'Panic' is quite a funny song. That is if you're a disenfranchised teenager with a penchant for retrogressive 1950's fashions and spoilt Victorian bile, trying to evade the fists of amoebic greasy metallers and clueless casual lads and crying after those nasty 'discos' because the pretty girls ignored you."Elvis has a wooden heart" (spot the Wire lyric and win a paper lung). Initially I admired his vegetarian stance and bought the 'Meat Is Murder' album partly because of that but mostly because a live version of 'What She Said' on an eNMEy freebie actually rocked believe it or not. That album was soon on its way to a secondhand shop to be replaced by Sonic Youth's seminal 'Bad Moon Rising' (a much more lasting and important contribution to 20th century art). The only saving grace of this vindictive Mosery character is the fact that, due to his stifling parochialism, he hasn't earned the universal over-rated status of talentless bores like U2. Much of the blame for inspiring insipid Brit-pap lickspittle copyists (the drippiness zeitgeist) can be laid at his feet. Anybody out there got any fond memories of Everything But The Girl and the Housemartins? Did the Style Council inspire you to vote for that nice Mr Kinnock? Only joking!!! But that Wire lot made some rather good records in the 1980's don't you think? Please discuss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Fans of Oscar Wilde should check out the recently reprinted 'Autobiography of a Liar' by sadly deceased comedian doctor Graham Chapman which contains a hilarious Monty Python sketch starring Wilde and other doyennes of Victorian intellectual mud slinging. Morrissey lost out to Stephen Fry years ago... My last word on More I See the Less I Know, I promise. In the colour of the rebel, Fibreglass Messiah ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:56:30 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Closer Fernando, << 3: Hooky plays the guitar, Barney plays the bass. On #3... are you not thinking of Sound of Music? In the live video, you can see the swap... just like in NewOrder's Confusion. >> That as well. All three songs have the swapped instruments bit. I always like it when bands do that....seems to happen hardly ever nowadays I seem to remember Colin playing bass and Graham keyboards on 'Finest Drops' live once.... Joe Strummer played the bass when the Clash did Guns of Brixton live.... My favourite was REM's Untitled, which live was perfomed by Peter Buck on Drums, Bill Berry on guitar, Mike Mills on keyboards and Peter Holsapple on bass. Only Stipe did what he normally does.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:58:01 -0400 From: "Sampson, James O." Subject: RE: Closer And, who can forget Bowie/Eno's "Boy's Keep Swinging" where all band members were "forced" to play an instrument not in their forte... - -----Original Message----- From: MarkBursa@aol.com [mailto:MarkBursa@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 1:57 PM To: adrift@decades.cnchost.com; idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: Closer Fernando, << 3: Hooky plays the guitar, Barney plays the bass. On #3... are you not thinking of Sound of Music? In the live video, you can see the swap... just like in NewOrder's Confusion. >> That as well. All three songs have the swapped instruments bit. I always like it when bands do that....seems to happen hardly ever nowadays I seem to remember Colin playing bass and Graham keyboards on 'Finest Drops' live once.... Joe Strummer played the bass when the Clash did Guns of Brixton live.... My favourite was REM's Untitled, which live was perfomed by Peter Buck on Drums, Bill Berry on guitar, Mike Mills on keyboards and Peter Holsapple on bass. Only Stipe did what he normally does.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 20:52:57 +0100 From: "ian barrett" Subject: Re: All Tommorows Parties/Jam/MTV On 11/April/2000 wrote > I was there so I'll talk about it..... Hats off all round to Tim! > Forgive me if I've missed anything or got the order wrong, I had > been listening to Aphex Twins set in the early hours of the previous > morning and was a little worse for wear. Speaking of Aphex Twin, MTV's (ahem) Alternative Nation* featured an old(er) bit of ATwin the other night, some track from "I Care Because You Do" or whatever it's called. ALSO Chris Morris's new series "Jam" on C4 has used ATwin on the soundtrack (also featured so far have been Eno, Barry Adamson, To Rococo Rot etc). A good viewing tip that one, if you fancy seeing somebody's nightmares/chemical hallucinations committed to film. * Don't want to be too hard on the show that brought me the videos of In Vivo, Post Code Orange and something from My Pet Fish, but whenever I watch (and it's the only reason I retain MTV) I usually feel pretty let down. Did it have better days? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:55:17 -0500 From: george.m.hook@ac.com Subject: Re: reissues The sound is definitely an improvement, but the packaging is about as retro as you can get. The CDs appear almost exactly like the originals, with even the original copyright dates. No word about who remastered the CDs, or where they were remastered. No photos of the band, no liner notes, just a lyric sheet (compare it to Mute's reissue of the early Buzzcocks materials, full of rare photos and interviews ). I was a bit concerned that Total E might have shipped me an older version, but no, though there are no additional tracks on Manscape, it sounds clear and bright. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 14:58:50 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: All Tommorows Parties/Jam/MTV >Speaking of Aphex Twin, MTV's (ahem) Alternative Nation* featured an >old(er) bit of ATwin the other night, some track from "I Care Because You >Do" or whatever it's called. Really? Which track? Ventolin maybe? Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 07:57:50 -0700 (PDT) From: BOURGEOISIE Subject: Offtopic-Phantom Chords. I just picked up the solo project of Dave Vanian (singer for the Damned) called the Phantom Chords (you can hear soundclips at cdnow). If you like rockabilly as much as I do, you'll probably enjoy it.See you in Washington! Robert.p.s. I'm also going to see Stan Ridgway on May 20th in Pensacola...has anyone seen him on tour this time around? - --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:54:19 -0700 (PDT) From: BillyD Subject: Mystery Colin appearance??? Hi, I just picked up a copy of a Newman/Izzo 12". Side a is Colin narrating over a track of what sounds like insects scratching plexiglass. The track is called 'Narrativ'. The b side is 'music'. It's on a German label called j220 and is reported to be a limited edition of 500. It was released last year. Any info??? Cheers, Billy p.s. Anyone bought one of those new 12 pound Wire cds yet? Any good? ===== . ./\/\/\. [ . . ] /\ -- -Get Well Sammy! (R)SOT Ltd. http://depechemode.acmecity.com/freestate/54 http://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 19:32:37 -0500 From: george.m.hook@ac.com Subject: Re: Mystery Colin appearance??? I'm a bit disillusioned about these CDs. My understanding was that they were to be remastered and released as they had been originally released, without bonus cuts etc.--much like the recent reissue of the Clash series. Instead, I hear (literally and figuratively) that they are simply repressings: all Mute did was repress the old stock and put it out there, from what I gather. I like the sound well enough (and maybe it was a case of audio placebo: I thought they'd be remastered so they sounded remastered) but later Wire does deserve a 24-bit remaster with bonus cuts and booklets with photos and liner notes (much like Mute's work on early Buzzcock material). It's nice to have the stuff on CDs (I only had the originals on vinyl and tapes), but still .... George ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 20:05:06 -0500 From: george.m.hook@ac.com Subject: Remaster my Senses I'm left Mute by my self-contradictions ..... I'm a bit disillusioned about these CDs. My understanding was that they were to be remastered and released as they had been originally released, without bonus cuts etc.--much like the recent reissue of the Clash series. Instead, I hear (literally and figuratively) that they are simply repressings: all Mute did was repress the old stock and put it out there, from what I gather. I like the sound well enough (and maybe it was a case of audio placebo: I thought they'd be remastered so they sounded remastered) but later Wire does deserve a 24-bit remaster with bonus cuts and booklets with photos and liner notes (much like Mute's work on early Buzzcock material). It's nice to have the stuff on CDs (I only had the originals on vinyl and tapes), but still .... George The sound is definitely an improvement, but the packaging is about as retro as you can get. The CDs appear almost exactly like the originals, with even the original copyright dates. No word about who remastered the CDs, or where they were remastered. No photos of the band, no liner notes, just a lyric sheet (compare it to Mute's reissue of the early Buzzcocks materials, full of rare photos and interviews ). I was a bit concerned that Total E might have shipped me an older version, but no, though there are no additional tracks on Manscape, it sounds clear and bright. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 21:52:29 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: RE: Mary Lou Lord/Bevis Frond/Mormon Tabernacle Choir/2d Grade Recorder Consort do Wire On Thu, 13 Apr 2000, giluz wrote: > You forgot the excellent cover of Berri Sakharof and Niki Mono (I think I > got the name right) in Crammed's "Fuck Your Dreams, This Is Heaven" which > also featured Minimal Compacvt and Tuxedomoon. d I was just listening to a tape of scratchy old vinyl of this, and two questions: is it on CD? is the video for which it's purportedly the sdtk available, and/or worth seeing? - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/reviews.html ::a squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous...got me? __Captain Beefheart__ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 23:14:45 -0400 From: Casper Milquetoast Subject: Re: All Tommorows Parties/Jam/MTV With the exception of one video I've seen, just about every Aphex Twin video is a masterpeice of cinema. I've been looking for a quicktime version of Window Licker and any other video off of the Come To Daddy set. I cannot remember the song for the life of me (probably film or the track following) but it contains these large "grateful deadish" bears with the RDJ face stamped into it. It has to be the most hilarious peice of film I have ever witnessed. If anyone has a quicktime version of that I *might* be able to hook you up with a copy of the Chris Conningham (spel?) video "Come On My Selector" by Squarepusher (because whatever peice of film this man touches is beautiful). I just have to figure a way to get it off the cd to send. casper ian barrett wrote: > > On 11/April/2000 wrote > > > I was there so I'll talk about it..... > > Hats off all round to Tim! > > > Forgive me if I've missed anything or got the order wrong, I had > > been listening to Aphex Twins set in the early hours of the previous > > morning and was a little worse for wear. > > Speaking of Aphex Twin, MTV's (ahem) Alternative Nation* featured an > old(er) bit of ATwin the other night, some track from "I Care Because You > Do" or whatever it's called. ALSO Chris Morris's new series "Jam" on C4 > has used ATwin on the soundtrack (also featured so far have been Eno, Barry > Adamson, To Rococo Rot etc). A good viewing tip that one, if you fancy > seeing somebody's nightmares/chemical hallucinations committed to film. > * Don't want to be too hard on the show that brought me the videos of In > Vivo, Post Code Orange and something from My Pet Fish, but whenever I watch > (and it's the only reason I retain MTV) I usually feel pretty let down. Did > it have better days? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 01:37:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: All Tommorows Parties/Jam/MTV On Thu, 13 Apr 2000, Casper Milquetoast wrote: > I cannot remember the song for the life of me (probably film or the > track following) but it contains these large "grateful deadish" bears > with the RDJ face stamped into it. It has to be the most hilarious > peice of film I have ever witnessed. sadly, i can't make a quicktime file out of it. i don't even have a second VCR to dub a copy of the tape. however, i can tell you that the video you're looking for is "Donkey Rhubarb". at least, that has the bears. i would be even more disturbed if he had made multiple videos with the same bears. aaron ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 01:44:29 -0400 From: Casper Milquetoast Subject: Re: All Tommorows Parties/Jam/MTV I only have one thing to say about the bears: The bears are the coolest bears I have ever seen in my life. Is this the Come To Daddy video you are speaking of? As in the one with three different vids, one isn't all that great, one is with the bears, and the last is Come To Daddy (which is awesome within itself). Aaron Mandel wrote: > > On Thu, 13 Apr 2000, Casper Milquetoast wrote: > > > I cannot remember the song for the life of me (probably film or the > > track following) but it contains these large "grateful deadish" bears > > with the RDJ face stamped into it. It has to be the most hilarious > > peice of film I have ever witnessed. > > sadly, i can't make a quicktime file out of it. i don't even have a second > VCR to dub a copy of the tape. however, i can tell you that the video > you're looking for is "Donkey Rhubarb". at least, that has the bears. i > would be even more disturbed if he had made multiple videos with the same > bears. > > aaron ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:22:39 -0500 From: "webmaster" Subject: Wire Mail Order FYI: The website has stocks of Swim Team #1 and Low Immersion again. We also have a special clearance on Swim vinyl - five 12"'s for $25.00. 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We accept Visa and Mastercard. thanks, charles / wmo shop@wiremailorder.com http://wiremailorder.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 9:56:14 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: Closer I always like it when bands do that....seems to happen hardly ever nowadays I seem to remember Colin playing bass and Graham keyboards on 'Finest Drops' live once.... >>>>> they did that at the astoria 88. if you like multi-instrumentalists you could try gomez who do it perpetually.p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 10:00:58 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: All Tommorows Parties/Jam/MTV Speaking of Aphex Twin, MTV's (ahem) Alternative Nation* featured an old(er) bit of ATwin the other night, some track from "I Care Because You Do" or whatever it's called. ALSO Chris Morris's new series "Jam" on C4 has used ATwin on the soundtrack (also featured so far have been Eno, Barry Adamson, To Rococo Rot etc). A good viewing tip that one, if you fancy seeing somebody's nightmares/chemical hallucinations committed to film. * Don't want to be too hard on the show that brought me the videos of In Vivo, Post Code Orange and something from My Pet Fish, but whenever I watch (and it's the only reason I retain MTV) I usually feel pretty let down. Did it have better days? >>>>> i've only just hooked up to mtv and i must say i'm quite impressed by alternative nation ; nobody's going to like everything but who else is going to show stuff like old can/mbv videos in with all that new stuff. anyone seen the new hefner/black box recorder vids ; its still possible to make an interesting video on the cheap! s owhat video was made of my pet fish then? p ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #99 ******************************