From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #98 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, April 13 2000 Volume 03 : Number 098 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Mary Lou Lord/Bevis Frond do Wire [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re[2]: all tomorrows parties [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re: all tomorrows parties [Steve Finch ] Wire on the Peel wingding rejoicing in metallic blue dream textures! [Mih] Fwd: comment -- The Wire Page [Andrew N Westmeyer ] Re: Mary Lou Lord/Bevis Frond do Wire [Andrew N Westmeyer ] Re: Wire on the Peel wingding rejoicing in metallic blue dream textures! ["Miles Goosens" >are you fucking serious? you saw felt play "outdoor miner?" please tell, please explain, for the sake of a young piece of shit unable to function otherwise? << Oh yes... about 1987/88, in Oxford. They played it as an encore. Sounded wonderful.... Lawrence was into good covers at that time. I also saw them do 'Bottoming out' by Lou Reed and 'Ain't that nothing' by Televison.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 17:08:19 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: all tomorrows parties i guess nobody from the list went , a few of us did try and failed to get tickets. presumably it get s reviewed in the music press this week? p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: all tomorrows parties Author: MIME:ian@ibarrett.fsnet.co.uk at INTERNET Date: 12/04/2000 10:46 I'm rather confused! Weren't Wire supposed to be playing on Sunday 9th? If so, what happened? Don't people want to talk about it? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 16:31:45 +0100 From: Steve Finch Subject: Re: all tomorrows parties 12Apr I caught the end of 'Lowdown' from the ATP gig on John Peel last night, I don't know if they are planning on broadcasting any more of it. They played a lot of Mogwai's set a few nights ago.. steve In message , paul.rabjohn@ssab.com writes >i guess nobody from the list went , a few of us did try and failed to get >tickets. presumably it get s reviewed in the music press this week? p > > >______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ >Subject: Re: all tomorrows parties >Author: MIME:ian@ibarrett.fsnet.co.uk at INTERNET >Date: 12/04/2000 10:46 > > >I'm rather confused! >Weren't Wire supposed to be playing on Sunday 9th? >If so, what happened? Don't people want to talk about it? > - -- Steve Finch Direct line tel 01293 425007 Assistant General Manager Admin line tel 01293 425049 Touchdown WTS. 8-9 Magellan Terrace,Gatwick Rd,Crawley,W.Sussex,RH10 2PJ Website www.touchdown.co.uk Fax 01293 521144 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 13:16:47 EDT From: MihokoMk@aol.com Subject: Wire on the Peel wingding rejoicing in metallic blue dream textures! Tuned in to the John Peel 'wingding' last night and was flabberghasted to hear the unmistakable drone tones of Wire spiralling from my speakers. Luckily a blank tape was close at hand and I managed to record the final song which was a playfully delivered 'Lowdown' on which Colin had replaced the line 'to win the game' with 'to play the game' - did communists rejoice in the textures? Did any of you get the whole thing down? Ideally, can you copy for me? Which other Wiresongs were broadcast? The sound was way more trebly than the bass heavy 'Pink Flag' version but the execution was perfect!!! Even better perhaps than the awesome RFH version. Forgot to mention the source was the Camber Sands thing of course. Peel also played two fine Papa M instrumentals (the second being a cover of the Byrds 'Turn Turn Turn') and a moving Sigur Ros number and a large chunk of an energetic US Superchunkish guitar band with the amusing name And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Dead (a new one on me). Alongside a track from a Tarwater record and very uplifting Lee Perry number to send us off to bed, it was one of the best programs he's had - up there with the gobsmacking Whatever Happened To Faust? session. Can't believe I missed some of this Wire action. Sound of teeth gnashing, hairpulling, etc. Had a strange dream of Wire - the band played in a totally white area with no visible boundaries (a bit like the old early 80's vids, latter part of 'I Don't Like Mondays' for instance) but many people were milling outside unable to access this otherworldly mind/spirit location. Wire played as per RFH beat combo set up for a bit (setlist definitely included Lowdown, Serious, Advantage, Mercy, 2 People but also Ahead, Question of Degree, On Returning, 106 Beats That and Former Airline). They seemed utterly unaware that anyone else was able to observe or hear them. Malka Spigel, Susan Stenger and Kevin Eden were the only other faces I recognised and when they launched into 'Advantage In Height' Mr Eden began to grow taller and taller until only his legs and feet were visible. After this Bruce and Colin began playing a very vicious intro for 'I Am The Fly' whilst Graham unexpectedly laid down his bass and began performing what appeared to be conjuring tricks - random objects materialised in his left hand and and he smashed these with a hammer wielded in his right. The sounds made seemed to merge with the music, presumably via samplers, and it soon became clear that Colin and Bruce were building up multiple walls of sound by sampling and resampling their own guitars, mixing them with each other and Graham's hammer violence. Throughout Robert kept a steady beat. Graham unexpectedly began declaiming a new set of lyrics which dealt with the premise that he was feeling more like a spider these days, at least metaphorically, and the extra legs were a useful addition to his armoury. He then left whilst the glorious noise continued, and went outside to speak to the people who were waiting there. They were all squabbling in carless London streets over tired old subjects like whether electronica is superior to 'guitar bands' and some were discussing whether it might not be better to go and see the Morrissey show down the road at the old crumbly palladium. Graham discretely miked them all up and fed their comments directly to Bruce's sampler where they emerged as happy nonsense. Bruce's sampler was the latest state of the mart gizmo connected to a smoke detector which meant he could activate it randomly with his cigarette whilst playing guitar at the same time. At some point everything collapsed into a kind of cheap BBC sci fi effects corridor location where people were having drinks. Colin and Graham were there chatting amiably but it transpired that Bruce had had to leave early to let his hats out for air and Robert had perhaps predictably gone to bed. Wire have more than made an impression on me, I feel at some deep level their music has had a permanent affirmitive effect on my life and their sound world and poetic imagery is ingrained in my brain indelibly. They have also opened up doors to other musical adventures that I might otherwise never have explored. It was largely down to Colin that I began to search out interesting electronica and certainly Bruce who introduced me to the wonderful worlds of electroacoustic music and noise bliss with his Beekeeping. I can't believe some of the petty sniping that I've heard about the RFH performance which was as close to perfection as could be hoped. The eNMEy is written by brainless pigs who think the word 'arse' is funny and innovative so even taking their opinions into account is pointless. As for the implication that Wire were 'clumpy and wooden' - pure bollocks!!! They were tough, precise, elegant and fiery. They glowed with a lustrous sheen of metallic blue. You Americans are in for a treat and no mistake. In fact it was so great I'm considering flying out to the US for the gigs in Chicago, Washington DC, Boston and New York. Can anyone out there provide accomodation for me? Esp. in Chicago and DC. Does anyone out there have a copy of Bruce Gilbert's 'Nervepath' double 7" or the bonus 6 song CD that came with Colin's Not To Fish reissue that they'd be willing to sell? Re: sinister Wire... IMO 'Indirect Enquiries' is just as sinister as 'The Other Window' and 'Feed Me' and 'Public Place' are both more sinister than 'Sixth Sense'. Don't Take It All Too Seriously, Snakes, Fibreglass Messiah ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 13:21:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew N Westmeyer Subject: Fwd: comment -- The Wire Page I got this email today. The D&E box contains several rare CD singles. Andrew - ---------- Forwarded message begins here ---------- Could you please spread the word that I have a couple of Wire items for auction on eBay? Here's the numbers: 306368349 - the Document & Eyewitness box set 306372989 - the "Eardrum Buzz" CD3 I'd like to see this stuff go to a good home. :) Cheers chasm@mac.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 13:32:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew N Westmeyer Subject: Re: Mary Lou Lord/Bevis Frond do Wire Excerpts from mail: 11-Apr-100 Re: Mary Lou Lord/Bevis Fro.. by MarkBursa@aol.com > << From the Mary Lou Lord mailing list; there's a radio station > compilation coming out with "Outdoor Miner". >> > > Don't you just wish these people would come up with another > f***ing Wire song to cover???? No freaking kidding! For a while I was collecting Wire covers to make a tape I called pre-Whore. Eventually the number of covers required pre-Whore to be a 2 or 3 volume set. So now I'm thinking that pre-Whore volume 1 could be subtitled "The Outdoor Miners". The bigger problem is that every one of these covers sounds the same. Everybody plays Outdoor Miner *exactly* like the original (except the Flying Saucer Attack version, which is just irritating). I'm still waiting for a mix of Outdoor Miner and Drill. (A)ndrew Westmeyer qwerty@cmu.edu www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~qwerty "They ask me if I feel remorse and I answer why of course, there's so much more I could've done if they'd let me" -NC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 12:09:46 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: All Tomorrow's Parties set-list? Hi everyone, I was just watching the webcast of the All Tomorrow's Parties gig. ( http://www.alltomorrowsparties.co.uk/pages/ptimes.htm ) Great set. You should check it out if you haven't already (or if you weren't there.) Looks like they're playing a modified set list from the RFH and Newcastle gigs. In other words, they played Drill live. Wish I'd been there...(^_^) Now, I can hardly wait to see the Seattle show! Has anybody compiled a set list for the ATP gig yet? Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:58:57 -0500 From: "Miles Goosens" Subject: Re: Wire on the Peel wingding rejoicing in metallic blue dream textures! - ---- MihokoMk@aol.com wrote: > Tuned in to the John Peel 'wingding' last night and was flabberghasted > to > hear the unmistakable drone tones of Wire spiralling from my speakers. > Had a strange dream of Wire - the band played in a totally white area > with no visible boundaries After reading the dream sequence, I was thinking "This is one of the best posts I've seen on idealcopy," and then... > Wire have more than made an impression on me, I feel at some deep level > their > music has had a permanent affirmitive effect on my life and their sound > world > and poetic imagery is ingrained in my brain indelibly. >I can't > believe > some of the petty sniping that I've heard about the RFH performance > which was > as close to perfection as could be hoped. As for the implication that Wire > were > 'clumpy and wooden' - pure bollocks!!! They were tough, precise, elegant > and > fiery. They glowed with a lustrous sheen of metallic blue. ...and after reading to the end, I'm officially awarding it the Listowner's Trophy. This post got it all right! Not just in the particulars, but every word seems thoroughly infused with the true spirit of Wire. Wow. Posts like his are why I wanted to start a Wire list in the first place. Thanks for the jolt to the system. later, listowner Miles ___________________________________________________________________ To get your own FREE ZDNet Onebox - FREE voicemail, email, and fax, all in one place - sign up today at http://www.zdnetonebox.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 23:57:46 +0100 From: timrobinson@cwcom.net Subject: Re: All Tommorows Parties >I'm rather confused! >Weren't Wire supposed to be playing on Sunday 9th? >If so, what happened? Don't people want to talk about it? I was there so I'll talk about it..... Pontins Holiday Camp at Camber Sands is a far cry from the Royal Festival Hall. It resembles an open prison for young offenders, only with a fantastic beach, people in Panda costumes, Crazy Golf and a Go-Cart track...which is quite a surreal location for a three day festival of lo-fi guitar mangling. On the Saturday I managed to grab a quick chat with Colin outside a giant polysterene Octupus(?!). The whole band had come down the previous day and had been watching Shellac and Sonic Youth. If you've read the music papers this week you'll know Sonic Youth did, as David St Hubbins of Spinal Tap once said "..a freeform jazz exploration in front a..er..festival crowd". Colin agreed that they were not much cop. Colin seemed really enthusiastic about playing, I found it hard to get a word in really! He told me Wire were currently mixing live tapes of the RFH show for a possible live record, and that he was particularly pleased with Boiling Boy & Lowdown. He said they had started with about 40 songs when planning the current gigs and were basically playing the ones that they felt they could play with conviction...and had the easiest chords. He also said the songs were starting to morph and change quite radically the more they played them. He asked me if I enjoyed the RFH show. I did. Wire did not dissapoint, in fact my co-festival goers, most of whom were not fans felt that they played with more energy and impact than most of the other bands at the festival. It was great to be down the front after having watched them from up in the circle in the rather stuffy, rarified atmosphere of the RFH. The main stage was running 1hr late which according to NME was down to Wire soundchecking for two hours. It was worth it.. The sound was excellent, everything you'd expect. Plenty of buzz, roar and duggagagagaga!. Graham added a bassline reminiscent of Ahead to the closing bars of Boiling Boy which sounded more energetic than at the RFH. Mercy was breathtaking, Advantage....was played like an out-take from Pink Flag complete with truncated ending and sounded superb. Another the Letter sounded stunningly fresh. They made an endearing mess of 12XU, probably deliberate... After their allotted time was up Wire started to leave the stage but someone in the wings gestured for them to play on so they did the only decent thing and launched into 10 minutes of the best 'Drill' I have ever heard, complete with a few hearty screams from Graham and a fabulous false ending. Colin teased everyone by edging closer and closer to the mike and eventually sang "Could this be a Drill" and off they went. Graham stood for a few moments clutching his head as the others left the stage.....I'm not sure if this was some kind of theatrical gesture of whether he had done himself a mishchief...who knows. You couldn't follow that really...Mogwai were on next and despite being half Wire's age, sounded like Yes in comparison. for Fact fans The set list was something along the lines of: Pink Flag, Silk Skin Paws, Boiling Boy, new song, 40 Versions, The Lowdown, Mercy, Advantage in Height, 12XU, Another the Letter, Drill Forgive me if I've missed anything or got the order wrong, I had been listening to Aphex Twins set in the early hours of the previous morning and was a little worse for wear. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 23:14:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Mary Lou Lord/Bevis Frond/Mormon Tabernacle Choir do Wire On Wed, 12 Apr 2000, Andrew N Westmeyer wrote: > > Don't you just wish these people would come up with another > > f***ing Wire song to cover???? > > The bigger problem is that every one of these covers sounds the same. In part this is because it's a perfect song. But still...much more interesting if people'd mess around with it. Am I hallucinating, or did the Feelies used to cover this one live in the late '80s/early '90s? (Yes, exactly as...) - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/reviews.html ::To be the center of the universe, don't orbit things:: __Scott Miller__ ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #98 ******************************