From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #95 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, April 10 2000 Volume 03 : Number 095 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: re Band names [MihokoMk@aol.com] Re: what the hell is wrong with us? [MihokoMk@aol.com] Re: Sonic Youth [MihokoMk@aol.com] Re: Ally in Exile [MihokoMk@aol.com] Re: what the hell is wrong with us? [Joshua ] Re: what the hell is wrong with us? [Casper Milquetoast ] Re: Old Elastica Quote [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Old Elastica Quote [Casper Milquetoast ] Re: what the hell is wrong with us? ["tube disaster" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 16:35:41 EDT From: MihokoMk@aol.com Subject: Re: re Band names Super Furry Animals is a terrible cheesy dumbfuck band name and the band are pathetic MOR dross IMO. Similarly Blur should aptly rename themselves Blurb. Not even a Bruce Gilbert remix could make these mediocre chancers listenable. If we must discuss bands hyped by the weakly press then let it be the rare examples who are deserving of such hype, ie. Godspeed You Black Emperor. Now that's a pretty darn evocative appelation! Better bring the subject back again - the word "Wire" could perhaps be misheard as the question "Why Are?" something most of these eNMEy bands would do well to ask themselves. Lock up your cats Fibreglass Messiah ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 16:35:42 EDT From: MihokoMk@aol.com Subject: Re: what the hell is wrong with us? Don't know, mate, but a lot of us on this side of the Atlantic have been pondering that question for years as have most of the best American bands :-) Isn't Dead Kennedys a great band name though? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 16:35:43 EDT From: MihokoMk@aol.com Subject: Re: Sonic Youth Do you have the address of this Sonic Youth mailing list that you mentioned? I agree - this SYR self released stuff pisses on all the Geffen releases. Heard a new SY song on the Radio One rock show which my wife (more a Dirty fan herself - hmm that sounds a bit kinky) insists on listening to and it was a rather good accelerating Kim/Thurston duet - any idea when the new album is going to hit the stores? Lock Up Your Hats, Fibreglass Messiah ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 16:35:44 EDT From: MihokoMk@aol.com Subject: Re: Ally in Exile I recently emailed Colin Newman and asked him if 'The Art Of Persistence' (one of two new songs played at the RFH) is a wholly new song and whether its slight similarity to 'Ally In Exile' was a coincidence. He replied- "Well spotted. I wrote the tune to what is only temporarily called "The Art of Persistence" using the words to "Ally in Exile" having got bored with trying to work out the original. Graham then did some new words in the same metre etc." 'Art o'P' also appears on the Third Day practise disc which is available from the Pink Flag website (sure you all know that anyway). Hope this is of interest, Fibreglass Messiah ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 16:51:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Subject: Re: what the hell is wrong with us? Sorry, I don't remember what I said about this. What did I write? - -Joshua On Sun, 9 Apr 2000 MihokoMk@aol.com wrote: > Don't know, mate, but a lot of us on this side of the Atlantic have been > pondering that question for years as have most of the best American bands :-) > Isn't Dead Kennedys a great band name though? > ___ ___ http://www.swingpad.com (Digital Art and Artisanship) - --- --- ------------------------------ Date: 09 Apr 2000 18:02:06 -0500 From: Jack Steinmann Subject: re: High Fidelity Top Five Best Things about High Fidelity: 5) Before and After Science makes THREE appearances. 4) It's very funny. 3) It's funny because it's all sadly true. (Okay, maybe not the Lisa Bonet part.) 2) If you do have a life you will leave the theater doubly grateful for it. 1) If you don't have a life you will leave highly motivated to quick get one NOW before it's all over (is the owner of Vintage Vinyl listening?). Jack webmaster wrote: >Wire fans take note, the beloved Pink Flag album cover makes a cameo >appearance in the Chicago-esque remake of Nick Hornby's great book; and >film... > >charles > >shop@wiremailorder.com >http://wiremailorder.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 19:18:24 -0400 From: Casper Milquetoast Subject: Re: what the hell is wrong with us? > On Sun, 9 Apr 2000 MihokoMk@aol.com wrote: > > > Don't know, mate, but a lot of us on this side of the Atlantic have been > > pondering that question for years as have most of the best American bands :-) > > Isn't Dead Kennedys a great band name though? I never thought much of the Dead Kennedy's name until I heard Biafras explaination of it. Personally I like some of their album names better as a whole (with the exception of bedtime for democracy, which just doesn't seem to have the same malicious effect as the others). Even though I have absolutely no respect for Jello Biafra anymore, I still enjoy their music to some extent. Klaus Floride remains one of the best (if not the best) punk guitarists ever. I really cannont think of many band names that I really find incredible, Orange 9mm and Quicksand are two acts that I felt had a great hint to their sound through their names. If anyone hasn't heard Quicksand's Manic Compression album it is a must get in post-punk emo hardcore. Rites of Spring, One Last Wish, or anything with Guy Picotto for the most part. There are a few local acts that have intriguing names, Gray Junk Yesterday, .45 Caliber Girlfriend, The Eyelids, Arco Flute Foundation, Meisha, and the Pseudo-Hero's. Mostly indie experimental acts from that group. All and all as appealing as band names become, the real test is the music that backs that name. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 19:03:59 -0500 From: "Steve Loubert" Subject: Old Elastica Quote The other day I ran across something I hadn't seen before. Probably taken from an interview around the time of the Elastica album release, it can be found at: http://www.imusic.com/showcase/modern/elastica.html >THE ALBUM > >Elastica's Justine Frishmann and Donna Matthews recently elasticated about the >songs on the band's self-titled debut album. Elastica (DGC Records), produced by >Marc Waterman and Elastica, was recorded in London largely in the summer of 1994. > >"Line Up": "About drivel heads (groupies). 'Drive[ head loves the new > band/knows them like the back of her hand/you > can't see the wood for the trees/on your knees.' This is the original > version of the first song we ever recorded." > >"Annie": "Annie." > >"Connection": "Musically quite odd. This song doesn't sound like anyone else > ever." Was this statement made before the striking similarity to some earlier music was noticed? Sounds here like they were taking credit for being bold innovators. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 21:24:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Old Elastica Quote On Sun, 9 Apr 2000, Steve Loubert wrote: > The other day I ran across something I hadn't seen before. Probably taken > from an interview around the time of the Elastica album release, it can be > found at: > > http://www.imusic.com/showcase/modern/elastica.html > >"Connection": "Musically quite odd. This song doesn't sound like anyone > else > > ever." I'm reading this as completely ironic: surely they *knew* they were ripping off Wire. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/reviews.html ::Any noise that is unrelenting eventually becomes music:: __Paula Carino__ np: Silkworm _Developer_ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 22:44:04 -0400 From: Casper Milquetoast Subject: Re: Old Elastica Quote In all honesty coming from playing in misc. bands over the last few years, i've noticed that in guitar rock it is incredibly difficult to write anything that is new. Bad Religions guitar rift from "Fuck Armegedon This Is Hell" has been copied by several other bands. Atari Teenage Riot samples guitars from The Bad Brains and countless other punk acts (lyrics included, it is pretty hard to give them lyrical credit when Nic Endo screams "I WANNA DESTROY!!!" in a ever so clever John Lydonesque voice). I listen to my records and play along only to realize I'm doing the same chord progressions as someone else. I am really not defending Elastica here, just saying that writting anything *original* is difficult, if not impossible. Personally I think that Elastica did rip off Wire along with others in the process, but where do you draw the line in this case? When hip hop began and DJ sampling became a musical standard, would anyone consider this ripping off the original artists? Personally I believe hip-hop to be a logical evolution in rebellious music, people couldn't afford instruments so they used their record players instead. Now these days, buying a set of turntables is insane with the cost involved. I'm curious what anyone else thinks of this. casper Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > On Sun, 9 Apr 2000, Steve Loubert wrote: > > > The other day I ran across something I hadn't seen before. Probably taken > > from an interview around the time of the Elastica album release, it can be > > found at: > > > > http://www.imusic.com/showcase/modern/elastica.html > > >"Connection": "Musically quite odd. This song doesn't sound like anyone > > else > > > ever." > > I'm reading this as completely ironic: surely they *knew* they were > ripping off Wire. > > --Jeff > > J e f f r e y N o r m a n > The Architectural Dance Society > www.uwm.edu/~jenor/reviews.html > ::Any noise that is unrelenting eventually becomes music:: > __Paula Carino__ > > np: Silkworm _Developer_ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 00:10:05 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: what the hell is wrong with us? \ >> > Don't know, mate, but a lot of us on this side of the Atlantic have been >> > pondering that question for years as have most of the best American bands :-) >> > Isn't Dead Kennedys a great band name though? > > >I never thought much of the Dead Kennedy's name until I heard Biafras >explaination of it. Personally I like some of their album names better >as a whole (with the exception of bedtime for democracy, which just >doesn't seem to have the same malicious effect as the others). Even >though I have absolutely no respect for Jello Biafra anymore, I still >enjoy their music to some extent. Klaus Floride remains one of the best >(if not the best) punk guitarists ever. Except that when you're listening to the DKs, you're listening to East Bay Ray's guitar. Flouride played bass. Dan, whose head Biafra's knee slammed into when the latter (Biafra, not his knee) stage-dived during the DKs' first show in Phoenix back in 8/82 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 00:23:32 -0700 (PDT) From: kevin eden Subject: all tomorrows parties Anyone wishing to see Wire perform at the weekend festival should log onto: http://www.alltomorrowsparties.co.uk/ and view/ listen to the webcast. ===== kevin eden wmo, po box 112, stockport, cheshire, sk3 9fd, uk wmouk@yahoo.com http://wiremailorder.com/ "dreams that money can buy" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! 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