From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #94 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, April 9 2000 Volume 03 : Number 094 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Associates ["anglophilico cubano" ] Re: reissues ["Paul Pietromonaco" ] Does Morrissey sound like Colin N? [MihokoMk@aol.com] Re: S.F. Show [Brian Barnett ] [none] [owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] [none] [owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] [none] ["MackDaddyD" ] [none] [owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] [none] [owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 08:52:55 -0700 From: "anglophilico cubano" Subject: Re: Associates Wow, Associates fans! My fav early 80s band for certain...I've actually burned a cd of the original, much more subversive (and un-poppy) UK edition of "Sulk"...will be curious to see what the reissue is like. This is definitely a band for unknowing Wire fans to seek out (only the first 3 lps though--Affectionate Punch, Fourth Drawer Down, and Sulk). And yes, the radio sessions disc is brilliant. Also, there is a very faint 6 degrees of seperation between Wire and Associates--after Affectionate Punch, the Associates records were released on Situation 2 records, which was like 4AD part of Beggars Banquet (I guess separate but almost like a division of it). And we all know of Colin, Bruce & Graham releasing early solo material on 4AD...so there's my music nerd connection for you all! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 11:37:33 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: reissues > > "Ahead" is one of my favorite Wire tunes. What is "Ahead (ll)"? How does it > > differ from the original? > > > > Here's a question I've always wondered about -- What is the Ahead 12" version > found on the eardrum buzz single? It sounds exactly the same as the > album/single version to me... Hi everyone, Okay - all this talk about Ahead has made me go thru my voluminous Wire archives and pull out a quote from an e-mail Colin Newman had written about Ahead, and the various versions: > The simple answer is that the exact "single" version of Ahead is not on at > least the UK CD version of The Ideal Copy. > The 7" would have been edited out of the version that is track 2 on the UK > album, this means it's actually the same mix if you get the drift . The > actual "album" as it was concieved originally ended with Over Theirs > (remember this was before the days of CD dominance). AS you doubtless know > THe ideal Copy was a ahem "difficult" record (Byan Grant's comment that > there was "blood on the walls" always springs to mind). Ahead was a real > slog. It was in essence an uptempo dance/pop thing (not without it's > measure of awesomeness of course). I won't go into details but it wasn't > fun, however in one lighter moment when Gareth and I were bent over a hot > sequencer we saw that there was a possinility for a "non-macho" version > which he later did as an alternative mix. I personally wouldn't have done > it quite like that but there was something quite nice about it! > > c. The non-macho version being Ahead (II). The 12" version is the album version. From (A)ndrew Westmeyer's excellent discography: "The so-called 12" version of "Ahead" is the album version from The Ideal Copy." ( http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~qwerty/wire/ ) How's this for an informative e-mail? (^_^) Trainspottingly yours, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 17:28:26 EDT From: MihokoMk@aol.com Subject: Does Morrissey sound like Colin N? As a footnote to all this blather on Morrissey, an artist whose work I have always found very tedious and whiny, I'd just like to say that once upon a time I played 'Manscape' to an Italian girl I was dating, thinking that perhaps she'd like it since she loved Cabaret Voltaire. To my surprise she told me the singer sounded like Morrissey. In her defence she was taking a lot of drugs at the time. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 18:40:01 -0700 From: Brian Barnett Subject: Re: S.F. Show Ticket went on sale last sunday. I have received mine in the mail already. http://www.musichallsf.com/info/policies/ http://www.thefillmore.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 22:33:48 -0400 (EDT) From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [none] [24.0.135.106]) by cleopatra.rubiconproject.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA29273; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 18:22:37 -0700 Message-ID: <38EFDB5C.6C4F4835@cleopatra.rubiconproject.com> Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 18:22:37 -0700 From: obie Reply-To: obie@spotlife.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MihokoMk@aol.com CC: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: Does Morrissey sound like Colin N? References: <94.2c5b056.2620fe7a@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org Precedence: bulk yes , this is officially (at least) one of the funniest things I have read on this mailing list! :-) btw , i don't think Morrissey (Smiths era) was that tedious , he was genuinely sad. IMHO MihokoMk@aol.com wrote: > > As a footnote to all this blather on Morrissey, an artist whose work I have > always found very tedious and whiny, I'd just like to say that once upon a > time I played 'Manscape' to an Italian girl I was dating, thinking that > perhaps she'd like it since she loved Cabaret Voltaire. To my surprise she > told me the singer sounded like Morrissey. In her defence she was taking a > lot of drugs at the time. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 22:44:47 -0400 (EDT) From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [none] [213.40.66.40]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-jane) with ESMTP id OAA17484 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 14:04:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [212.111.133.167] (helo=oemcomputer) by kilderkin.sout.netline.net.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 12dd7i-0000v1-00 for idealcopy@smoe.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2000 19:04:50 +0100 Message-ID: <007701bfa0bc$0bbe9b40$a7856fd4@oemcomputer> From: "noxious" To: Subject: Re: Clash of the Titans Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 18:37:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org Precedence: bulk My money would be on Smith - the weight advantage would surely tell in the end! BobS - -----Original Message----- From: Casper Milquetoast To: idealcopy@smoe.org Date: 06 April 2000 23:41 Subject: Clash of the Titans >A dumb off subject post but this comes from a conversation i had with >some friends the other night. > >Who would win in a fight? Morrissey or Robert Smith? > >I said Peter Murphy would win, but I just like Bauhaus. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 22:44:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "MackDaddyD" Subject: [none] <38ED646C.3A7645FA@velocity.net> Subject: Re: This message has no subject Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 08:28:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Actually, I get quite a kick out of middle of the road, white americans shouting out a gay anthem with such glee and enthusiasm (which indidentally was performed by one of the first multi-cultural pop groups). The irony (and it truly is *ironic*) is sweet enough to compensate for how much i cannot really stand the song itself. The *real* subtest in disco-bashing was that there were 2 things to hate about disco, 1 - the phony plastic sheen of shallow cokeGlazed masses. 2 - black music the problem was that the rioting in comiskey park had nothing to do with the former, and EVERYTHING to do with the latter today i can go back and listen to george clinton, ashford and simpson , but NEVER really want to hear the beegees again > > That almost killed off the dreaded scourge. But now, they are singing YMCA in > > baseball parks! > > IN BASEBALL PARKS!!!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 23:41:20 -0400 (EDT) From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [none] [213.40.66.40]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-jane) with ESMTP id OAA17484 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 14:04:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [212.111.133.167] (helo=oemcomputer) by kilderkin.sout.netline.net.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 12dd7i-0000v1-00 for idealcopy@smoe.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2000 19:04:50 +0100 Message-ID: <007701bfa0bc$0bbe9b40$a7856fd4@oemcomputer> From: "noxious" To: Subject: Re: Clash of the Titans Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 18:37:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org Precedence: bulk My money would be on Smith - the weight advantage would surely tell in the end! BobS - -----Original Message----- From: Casper Milquetoast To: idealcopy@smoe.org Date: 06 April 2000 23:41 Subject: Clash of the Titans >A dumb off subject post but this comes from a conversation i had with >some friends the other night. > >Who would win in a fight? Morrissey or Robert Smith? > >I said Peter Murphy would win, but I just like Bauhaus. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 23:41:19 -0400 (EDT) From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [none] [208.37.127.216]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-jane) with SMTP id RAA21972 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 17:53:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2474 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2000 20:07:16 -0000 Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (128.11.68.32) by califia.sub-rosa.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2000 20:07:16 -0000 Received: from nfaproxy01.futures.org (HELO nftsdmc) (198.153.231.98) by smtp.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2000 06:20:20 -0700 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <00b001bfa094$031e13d0$02e099c6@futures.org> From: "MackDaddyD" To: "Ideal Copy" References: Subject: Re: Clash of the Titans Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 08:20:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org Precedence: bulk robert smith of course - morissey could never defeat godzilla (as robert did in south park, co) > > Who would win in a fight? Morrissey or Robert Smith? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #94 ******************************