From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #92 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, April 7 2000 Volume 03 : Number 092 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Band names [Casper Milquetoast ] Re: Clash of the Titans [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re[2]: Morrissey's purportedly anti-Asian rut [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 02:19:33 -0400 From: Casper Milquetoast Subject: Re: Band names Thank you for telling me what I do and do not have. casper. Brian Barnett wrote: > > You don't have a generation to hate. > > MackDaddyD wrote: > > > What's worse is in 20-30 years you'll have to deal with "That 90's Show" > > > > From: "Casper Milquetoast" > > > I swear i hate my generation. > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > > http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 10:25:48 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re: Clash of the Titans morrissey is supposed to be a big body-builder on the sly so that's where i'd put my money.p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Clash of the Titans Author: MIME:milque@velocity.net at INTERNET Date: 07/04/2000 00:41 A dumb off subject post but this comes from a conversation i had with some friends the other night. Who would win in a fight? Morrissey or Robert Smith? I said Peter Murphy would win, but I just like Bauhaus. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 10:25:21 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: Morrissey's purportedly anti-Asian rut P There is good reason for Morrissey to be bitter. He has been treated shamefully by the British music press, who have subjected him not just to their usual build-em-up-then-knock-em-down tactics but to a sustained hate campaign for ten years or more. >>>well he couldn't do a thing wrong from 83-89 , hardly just "build him up to knock him down". few people were more loved and respected than he was then , and few got more coverage. "ten years of hate" is a little much , "ten years of sniggerring" might be a little closer to the mark. What Morrissey was, and still is, being punished for, is his dislike of dance music (which was seen as an inherently racist reaction rather than a perfectly reasonable matter of personal taste) and, latterly, his refusal to say "Oh, I'm so sorry if my lyrics caused offence to anyone who might misread them". (Randy Newman went through the same thing with 'Short People' - he got death threats, for God's sake!) >>>>> a lot of the dislike is from stuff like the court case where the judge basically concluded morrissey and marr were telling a pack of lies , and had ripped off their colleagues hugely. and also a lot of mediocre albums. and flouncing off the bowie tour. and whining on endlessly in interviews. etc etc. his dislike of dance music is a very minor point of little concern to most people who seem to just see him as an anachronism going through the motions to his dwindling fan base. I wish this didn't need to be said, but 'Asian Rut' is actually not unsympathetic to Asians and 'The National Front Disco' (on Your Arsenal) is actually a piss-take of the attitudes of Little Englanders who might sing "We are the last truly English people you will ever know". There's also a song on Maladjusted called 'Ambitious Outsiders' which is sung in the persona of a paedophile looking forward to moving into a new neighbourhood. It's an extremely chilling song - the highlight, in fact, of a pretty weak album. All these songs employ IRONY. >>>>>> you missed out "bengali in platforms" , another magical moment. i never said he was a racist , i suggested he flirts with nationalism. what did you think of his genius move to come out in front of a madness crowd waving a union jack? irony? Irony - singing as if in the voice of a person whose views the writer doesn't at all share - is a powerful device, and has been used by such diverse artists as Morrissey, The Gang of Four, Randy Newman, Frank Zappa, Warren Zevon, Half Man Half Biscuit, The Passage, Loudon Wainwright III, Nick Cave, Bob Dylan, PIL, Robert Wyatt, etc etc - and Wire. Please, can we try to rise above the ignorant sniping that passes for music journalism in Britain and show these artists some respect for trying out lyrics that go beyond the "Everything I do, I do for you" brand of sentimentality. >>>> are you calling me a bryan adams fan? outside , now ! As for Morrissey's Kill Uncle being such a dreadful album, I personally think it's quite good, after it gets its lousy opening track out of the way. And it wasn't recorded with "butch young rockabillies" - they came later - it was recorded with (and co-written by) Mark Nevin of Fairground Attraction. Yes, I agree it's a step down from Viva Hate (or Education In Reverse, as my Australian copy is titled), and yes, it is a very short album. But please, please, let's lay this notion of Morrissey being some kind of racist thug to rest. >>>>> well we'll agree to differ on the album. i genuinely liked his earlier stuff. i'm sure i saw him on totp at that time with a rackabilly band , memory failing me again. i just think its sad to hear moz being interviewed now and see how bitter and sad he sounds. and i just think he's been silly and misguided , not a "racist thug" or anything of that ilk. p ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #92 ******************************