From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #90 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, April 6 2000 Volume 03 : Number 090 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: OT:Class Action Suit Against Wallace & Gromit Haters [Casper Milqueto] [none] [owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] Re: industry (was:song titles, dangerous girls, industry (was:Band names(Crocheted Doughnut Ring) ["tube disaster" <] Re: re song titles, dangerous girls, industry (was:Band names(Crocheted Doughnut Ring) ["tube disaster" ] joy division moments in todays modern world ["marlon" ] Re: OT:Class Action Suit Against Wallace & Gromit Haters ["- hyponoise -"] Re: Band names [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: Pent-up responses to many recent topics [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: Pent-up responses to many recent topics [MarkBursa@aol.com] Fad Gadget [Jorge Punaro ] Re: Pent-up responses to many recent topics [Miles Goosens ] Re: Collins Death List [Casper Milquetoast ] RE:The Passage ["Wilson, Paul" ] Re[2]: Band names [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re: Band names [Casper Milquetoast ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 19:09:27 -0400 From: Casper Milquetoast Subject: Re: OT:Class Action Suit Against Wallace & Gromit Haters Well, You've got me there mainly because Ghost in the Shell and Akira are the "best" animes ever made. Although Ghost in the Shell is fairly weak in compairson to Akira in all ways. Aside from that I would suggest Ninja Scroll which is also considered one of the best ever. It's basicly a story set in feudal japan about a ninja for hire who gets caught up in a power struggle. It is fairly violent and contains a lot of the anime cliche's, but aside from that it is quite good in story line and in it's art direction. There is also Gundam Wing which is proving to be one of the best series in anime. In the first episode alone I saw more character development than in just about any other series I've watched. It's appearing daily on the Cartoon Network. But again in defense of anime, I view it as a direct reflection on how modern Japanese culture works. "Make it bigger, bolder, bloodier, and more intense than anything the the rest of the world can do." Which they do in mass quanity. I see the culture as being a total information overload that can only be outdone by making things more intense than before. I view their creative forces driven by a need to distance themselves from their past and to act as a placebo for the working class. Make life appear more than what it is on television and you've made escapism for a poor technician who's forced to live in a tiny apartment for insane amounts of money happy to some extent dreaming of what he could be. I guess the same mentality goes into John Woo films as well. casper ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 19:59:15 -0400 (EDT) From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [none] with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id H6NYKA6Q; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:18:16 -0700 To: idealcopy@smoe.org From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: OT:Class Action Suit Against Wallace & Gromit Haters Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:18:13 -0700 Message-ID: <000405231813.600.172ab.16296@achika.wrq.com.B929C388C76BA453> In-Reply-To: "Ciscon, Ray's" message of "Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:27:31 -0500" <3D5F67C08DB7D211A02600805FE6EFC1023BF828@ORION> X-Mailer: WRQ Reflection Mail Version 6.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Dear Mr. Dewey, Cheatham and Howe: You can add me to the lawsuit if you like. I can't stand Wallace and Gromit - makes me want to claw my face off after about 5 minutes. Anime, though? Watashi wa Nihon no anime wo ichiban suki desu!!! Mata ne, - -Pooru (a.k.a. Paul) - a man who has every anime Pioneer ever released, plus most of the Central Park Media, U.S. Manga Corps and ADVision catalog... >Mr. Milquetoast, > >You can expect to hear from a Mr. Jonas Q. Bloodsucker, Esq. of the law>firm, Dewey, Cheatham, and Howe before the end of the week. > >At least you got the 'mindless' part of anime correct. With the exception of >'Akira' and 'Ghost in the Shell', most anime I've seen is exactly that,>mindless shite. > >Cheers, > >Ray Ciscon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 18:29:49 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: industry (was:song titles, dangerous girls, industry (was:Band names(Crocheted Doughnut Ring) >Didn't Fad Gadget do State of the Nation? > Yeah, on Fireside Favourites. Probably about 50 bands have done songs by that name ... it's a common enough phrase. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 18:51:39 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: re song titles, dangerous girls, industry (was:Band names(Crocheted Doughnut Ring) >Jon Langdon of the Mekons (and the Three Johns, remember them?) lives in Chicago >these days. The Mekons still make records ... but they deviate from style to >style. They are into the New Country Music scene, of all things. The country stuff is more Langford (in the Waco Brothers & Pine Valley Cosmonauts) & Sally Timms solo, these days ... The Mekons' "alternative country" albums were limited to the mid-'80s, preceding that boomlet by several years. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 18:12:46 -0700 From: Brian Barnett Subject: Re: Band names But has Marc Reily and the Creepers been pressed on CD ? "Ciscon, Ray" wrote: > Whoah! > > Let me get this straight... you DON'T like Wallace & Gromit? > > You are either the most cynical person on earth, or you've lost your mind. > > Wallace & Gromit are one of the few things left in this world that can be > enjoyed by anybody of any age. > > Please don't tell me you're an anime fan though! > > If you truly don't like Wallace & Gromit I feel very, very sorry for you. > > Cheers, > > Ray Ciscon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Casper Milquetoast [mailto:milque@velocity.net] > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 5:03 PM > To: idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Band names > > > >>that was the album , the band were just "the dickies". which i suppose > is > > >bad enough. i guess they were the forerunners of all these brilliant > blink > > >182-type bands the americans are so kind as to keep exporting over here. > > Calling the Dickies the forerunners of this new wave of pop-punk crap > that's flooding the airwaves is one hell of a far fetch. If any bands > are the forerunners i would say that the Clash and Operation Ivy, mainly > due to the fact that they made the template from which all this new > *poop* is created. Don't get me wrong, I still enjoy both of those bands > immensely but it pains me that they are responsible. *forces a small > tear* But in any case, leave the Dickies alone! And it's not like you > brits have done anything amazing lately ie: Spice Girls, Oasis, those > Wallace and Grumet cartoons > > Casper > > (okay, fine I'll give you Talvin Singh, Tricky, and Massive Attack BUT > THAT'S ALL, those damn cartoons are unforgivible) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 18:43:16 -0700 From: "marlon" Subject: joy division moments in todays modern world i was in the frozen food section of a supermarket last summer. and overhead the speakers started bleeding "love will tear us apart". the real work too, not a muzak version. i was happy to hear it, but frightened by the location and the fact that one of the most defining moments of my youth had been reduced to supermarket fodder, background wallpaper interspersed with paging requests for "all checkers to report to the front of the store". i also came across a cam site where the background was a repetition of the phrase " atrocity exhibition" and to enter the site you had to click on "this is the way ,step inside" and then you got to watch this guy wank. fascination and repulsion. oh what a well made world. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 18:46:39 -0700 From: "marlon" Subject: Re: Band names > On Wed, 5 Apr 2000 paul.rabjohn@ssab.com wrote: > > > i've heard about six Dickies songs but they sounded great. can't blame > them for what a bunch of frat boys influenced by them do 20 years later, > can you? > yeah! "attack of the mole men" is one of the greatest pop songs ever written. still gets me up with my walker, twisting. and ""you drive me ape, you big gorilla" is a good one too. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 21:50:46 EDT From: "- hyponoise -" Subject: Re: OT:Class Action Suit Against Wallace & Gromit Haters >There is also Gundam Wing which is proving to be one of the best series >in anime. In the first episode alone I saw more character development >than in just about any other series I've watched. It's appearing daily >on the Cartoon Network. if you want to see a real deep anime w/ oodles of character devolpment watch neon gen evangelion. [ or EVA for short ] its without a doubt the best anime storyline ever. it has more twists and turns that your still guessing at the end. the whole kiboodle clocks in at about 12-14 hours. - -jason n . p . my bloody valentine . isn't anything www.mp3.com/wilt just because a cat has her kittens in the oven doesn’t make them biscuits ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 21:51:12 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Band names Brian, << But has Marc Reily and the Creepers been pressed on CD ? >> Not as far as I know. The first two singles (Favourite Sister and Cure by Choice) were fantastic - basically the Fall without MES. MR is now comedy DJ sidekick 'The Boy Lard' to Mark Radcliffe, on Radio 1 every afternoon.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 21:54:13 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Pent-up responses to many recent topics Charles, << I'm surprised nobody has stood up for 154! This was the album that got me hooked, way back in 1979. I really felt like I was listening to something ground-breaking. There is so much variety on this album, the tension between the Newman songs and the Lewis songs (and the handful of songs by BC Gilbert) makes this album still exciting for me 21 years later. If you listen to 154 from start to finish and don't find at least one song you like, I think it's fair to say you won't like any Wire album. For me, "Two People in a Room", "A Touching Display", "Single KO", "Blessed State" are some of my favorite Wire songs of all time. >> I totally agree. It is without doubt Wire's masterpiece, and sounds like it was recorded yesterday... Chairs Missing may have some of the most memorable Wire songs, but as an album, 154 takes some beating. Anywhere. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 21:56:22 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Pent-up responses to many recent topics Charles, << ......However if you take a line which is parallel to one of the edges of the triangle and passes through the centroid, this line does not bisect the area of the triangle - it divides the triangle into a trapezoid and a smaller equilateral triangle, and the trapezoid has greater area [etc, etc, etc] ....... >> Whose review said Wire looked like Geography lecturers??? Seems Wire fans actually ARE Geography lecturers! An enjoyable, if baffling, thread! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 22:08:28 -0600 From: Jorge Punaro Subject: Fad Gadget Does anybody knows what Mr. Fad Gadget/Frank Tovey is doing these days, his last record is 8 years old now. Saludos Jorge - -----Mensaje original----- De: tube disaster Para: wire mailing list Fecha: Miércoles, 05 de Abril de 2000 06:35 p.m. Asunto: Re: industry (was:song titles, dangerous girls,industry (was:Band names(Crocheted Doughnut Ring) > > > >>Didn't Fad Gadget do State of the Nation? >> > > >Yeah, on Fireside Favourites. Probably about 50 bands have done songs by >that name ... it's a common enough phrase. > >Dan > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 21:45:38 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Pent-up responses to many recent topics At 09:54 PM 04/05/2000 -0400, MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: >Charles, > ><< I'm surprised nobody has stood up for 154! This was the album that > got me hooked, way back in 1979. I really felt like I was listening > to something ground-breaking. > >I totally agree. It is without doubt Wire's masterpiece, and sounds like it >was recorded yesterday... Chairs Missing may have some of the most memorable >Wire songs, but as an album, 154 takes some beating. Anywhere. I think the topic was where to start with Wire, not what the best one was. Else I would have said A BELL IS A CUP and 154 (with my other suggestions, CHAIRS MISSING and THE IDEAL COPY, right behind). later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 22:29:39 -0500 From: george.m.hook@ac.com Subject: Wire Mute Reissues Ah, CD Now is now showing them. And they look enticing and intriguing. Well, Friday is payday, so who knows? I wouldn't mind a new version of Manscape. And how about that lineup for A Bell is A Cup? 01. Silk Skin Paws 02. The Finest Drops 03. The Queen Of Ur And The King Of Um 04. Free Falling Divisions 05. It's A Boy 06. Boiling Boy 07. Kidney Bingos 08. Come Back In Two Halves 09. Follow The Locust 10. A Public Place 11. The Queen Of Ur And The King Of Um (Alternative Version) 12. Pieta 13. Over Theirs (Live) 14. Drill (Live) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 23:44:35 -0500 From: george.m.hook@ac.com Subject: TotalE Deal Helpful Hint to Wire Fans: Total E is currently offering the remastered Wire CDs for 11.19 each. And Regular Shipping in the U.S. is .99 cents! I just ordered Manscape and Bell Is a Cup. Go to www.totale.com And remember: "I'd rather make furniture than go to Midnight Mass" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 00:07:20 -0500 From: JH3 Subject: Re: Collins Death List I don't post much, but if you'll just allow me this one indulgence: >Okay fine, who here actually likes Phil Collins at all? I just wanted to >know because this has become the "Bring Hot Death to Collins" list >pretty quick. I really don't mind it coming to that because personally I >think that Phil Collins should have something very horrible done to him, >but I was curious if there were any fans on the list. I guess you could say that I sort of like Phil Collins. I remember back in the 1980's, when some of my distant cousins in the Balkans were forced to flee from their homes by armed bands of ethnic paramilitaries, Phil reached out to them - he sent them all coupons for L2.50 off the price of his latest album. I remember being very touched by that. And on a more personal note, I have fond memories of when my nephew accidentally transmitted a 10-second MP3 snippet of "In the Air Tonight" via a chat room to some guy in India, and Phil's "online security team" (who apparently have some EXTREMELY sophisticated technology) found out. After learning that he was in a wheelchair and suffering from pancreatic cancer, Phil was gracious enough to settle out of court, cutting his original damage demand *nearly in half* - down to only six figures - and even offering to return my nephew's confiscated hardware, minus the hard drive of course. Many artists wouldn't be so gracious... And, of course, we mustn't forget Phil's tireless efforts on behalf of poor, struggling record-company executives - in one case, he even performed at a benefit concert for the head of his label, with as much as half the proceeds going to a fund to help fix the poor man's Bugatti and renovate his billiards room. He was even nice enough to schedule the event on the same night as a benefit for Rwandan refugee relief in the same town, just to make sure the unfortunate exec got his fair share of the charity "pie." So, yeah, I guess I like Phil Collins. He's never actually used physical violence against me or my family (at least not with modern, advanced weaponry), and I don't think you can really blame him for all the verbal and psychological abuse. After all, he's a very complex individual. Thank you, John Hedges PS: Oh wait, that was 2.50 *lire*, wasn't it... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 01:31:53 -0400 From: Casper Milquetoast Subject: Re: Collins Death List > > I guess you could say that I sort of like Phil Collins. I remember > > back in the 1980's, when some of my distant cousins in the Balkans > > were forced to flee from their homes by armed bands of ethnic > > paramilitaries, Phil reached out to them - he sent them all coupons > > for L2.50 off the price of his latest album. I remember being very > > touched by that. > > > > And on a more personal note, I have fond memories of when my > > nephew accidentally transmitted a 10-second MP3 snippet of "In > > the Air Tonight" via a chat room to some guy in India, and Phil's > > "online security team" (who apparently have some EXTREMELY > > sophisticated technology) found out. After learning that he was > > in a wheelchair and suffering from pancreatic cancer, Phil was > > gracious enough to settle out of court, cutting his original damage > > demand *nearly in half* - down to only six figures - and even > > offering to return my nephew's confiscated hardware, minus > > the hard drive of course. Many artists wouldn't be so gracious... > > > > And, of course, we mustn't forget Phil's tireless efforts on behalf > > of poor, struggling record-company executives - in one case, he > > even performed at a benefit concert for the head of his label, with > > as much as half the proceeds going to a fund to help fix the poor > > man's Bugatti and renovate his billiards room. He was even nice > > enough to schedule the event on the same night as a benefit for > > Rwandan refugee relief in the same town, just to make sure the > > unfortunate exec got his fair share of the charity "pie." > > > > So, yeah, I guess I like Phil Collins. He's never actually used > > physical violence against me or my family (at least not with > > modern, advanced weaponry), and I don't think you can really > > blame him for all the verbal and psychological abuse. After all, > > he's a very complex individual. > > > > Thank you, > > > > John Hedges > > > > PS: Oh wait, that was 2.50 *lire*, wasn't it... > I have never seen anyone so clever on this list before. Hurrah! And if anyone would be so kind as to light a flaming bag of poop on Mr. Collins doorstep I will kindly pay you all the money in my pocket currently: $6.27 and that is in US currency. Or just mail an ICBM to his house. Either way I will gladly send this to you and maybe just maybe my copy of Behind the Curtain for anyone who does not have that. Which reminds me, exactly how rare is that album? I found it in a rural pennsylvania town in the used bin of an alternative record store. And personally I enjoy that version of Pink Flags ten times over the original record cut. I think it stands as more effective, less innovative though, but more personally moving and still remains one of my favorite Wire tracks. Comments? casper ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 08:54:55 +0100 From: "Wilson, Paul" Subject: RE:The Passage > Is any of The Passage's product available on CD? Seedy - The best of The Passage Cherry Red CD M RED 146 > Somewhere I've got a tape of The Bastinado, which is pretty good. This track was on the second album, For All And None. > All the albums were in the same style - red, white and black covers. I think. All the albums do have the same style using just Red, Black and White, as do most of the covers. I too, once saw them live and still have a tape of the gig (waiting for me to get round to transferring onto CD). I remember the gig was a month before the second LP came out, and they played all new stuff. I shouted out "play some old songs Dick!", to which he replied "this is an old song - it was written two months ago". To be honest, I was a little disappointed at the time, but learned to love the songs, once I'd got the 2nd album. 7" New Love Songs Object OM 02 1978 7" About Time Object OM 08 LP Pindrop Object OBJ 11 1980 Cass Live at North Staffs Poly (not great quality) 1981 7" Devils And Angels Dinsong AMPM 24:00 1981 7" Troops Out Night And Day AMPM 22:00 LP For All And None Night And Day PMAM 00.23 12" Taboos Cherry Red 12 CHERRY 30 7" XOYO Cherry Red CHERRY 35 LP Degenerates Cherry Red B RED 29 12" Wave Cherry Red 12 CHERRY 50 LP Enflame Cherry Red B RED 45 CD Seedy Cherry Red CD M RED 146 1997 The first two 7" singles and first LP are somewhat different to the rest in style, the later stuff being far more "poppy". The first single contains the great song title "Slit Machine" and the even better line "I love you cos I need a c**t". Dick Witts, the main man, was indeed a member of the Halle Orchestra, and used to be the co-presenter of that long forgotten TV series "The Oxford Road Show" or "ORS". The Oxford Road in question, being the one in Manchester - not London! I think the program actually went out at about 6pm on BBC2. And a great program it was too. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 9:59:38 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: Band names And it's not like you brits have done anything amazing lately ie: Spice Girls, Oasis, those Wallace and Grumet cartoons >>>>> hey , have you got the spice girls solo stuff over there yet? the usual standards are being maintained.......... p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 04:05:36 -0400 From: Casper Milquetoast Subject: Re: Band names paul.rabjohn@ssab.com wrote: > > And it's not like you brits have done anything amazing lately ie: Spice Girls, Oasis, those Wallace and Grumet cartoons > > >>>>> hey , have you got the spice girls solo stuff over there yet? the usual standards are being maintained.......... p Sad to say, yes we have. AND I CRY MYSELF TO SLEEP AT NIGHT BECAUSE OF IT. I swear i hate my generation. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #90 ******************************