From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #86 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, April 4 2000 Volume 03 : Number 086 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re[2]: Other bands [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re: Re[2]: Other bands ["tube disaster" ] Re[2]: Other bands [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re[4]: Other bands [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re[5]: Other bands [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Crocheted Doughnut Ring (authentic band name) ["Michel Faber" ] Re: Re[2]: Other bands [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: Re[4]: Other bands [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: Half Man [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: Manscape / Wire for beginners [Ian Grant ] horrendous typo ["andy and sheri wiseman" ] Re: Re[4]: Other bands [Carl Archer ] re Band names(Crocheted Doughnut Ring) [Steve Finch ] Re[2]: wire for beginners/other bands [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] RE: Re[2]: wire for beginners/other bands ["Sampson, James O." ] Re: Scott Walker's Meltdown 2000 [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re: Re[4]: Other bands [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: Scott Walker's Meltdown 2000 [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: Re[2]: re Band names(Crocheted Doughnut Ring) [MarkBursa@aol.com] D & E; Manscape [flaherty michael w ] Fw: D & E; Manscape ["Stephen Jackson" ] OT: My Bloody Valentine ["Ciscon, Ray" ] Other bands [pshaw@cave.net] phil [pshaw@cave.net] RE: Re[6]: Other bands & Utah Saints ["Ciscon, Ray" ] Phil Collins and Colin's grocery bill ["Michel Faber" ] Re: Crocheted Doughnut Ring (authentic band name) [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeff] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:32:11 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: Other bands Just get the first two albums, and the EP that followed (History's Bunk). Forget the rest. Absolutely stunning live until they started trying to soften up the sound. Went down the pan the moment the line-up changed in my opinion. Peter Buck of REM claims Andy Gill is as big an influence on his playing as Roger McGuinn.... Mark >>>>> if you like the first album , you really should get the peel sessions cd. the versions of "naturals" and "essence" in particular are even better than the emi cuts.p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 02:30:41 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: Re[2]: Other bands > >i haven't heard any of the recent Comsat Angels records, but the first one, Waiting For A Miracle, is totally classic. i wouldn't call them a Bunnymen ripoff either, since the two bands got their start at almost exactly the same time. > >>>>>> maybe ripoff is a bit harsh but they ploughed pretty much the same furrow and shared a lot of fans. adrian borland used to bang on in quite a sad way about how eatb got famous on the back of mac's looks whereas he stayed poor due to being a bit of a fatty. never did frank black much harm.p > Not that Borland was in the Comsats, of course. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:36:45 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: Other bands Jason, Try this one too - 'The Plateau Phase' by Crispy Ambulance. Apart from having the worst name of any band >>>> hey , jason , comments like that are gonna start a lot of correspondence. ok , its bad , but surely there are much worse. some of my "favourites" ; thrush puppies oi division jefferson airhead brent ford & the nylons con-dom god is my co-pilot and there must be sooooo many more. any ideas? p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 11:11:48 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[4]: Other bands >>>>>> maybe ripoff is a bit harsh but they ploughed pretty much the same furrow and shared a lot of fans. adrian borland used to bang on in quite a sad way about how eatb got famous on the back of mac's looks whereas he stayed poor due to being a bit of a fatty. never did frank black much harm.p > Not that Borland was in the Comsats, of course. Dan >>>>> just an aside. mind you , i reckon you'd struggle to find too many people who could name many of the "cs angels".p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 11:25:26 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[5]: Other bands >>>>>> maybe ripoff is a bit harsh but they ploughed pretty much the same furrow and shared a lot of fans. adrian borland used to bang on in quite a sad way about how eatb got famous on the back of mac's looks whereas he stayed poor due to being a bit of a fatty. never did frank black much harm.p > Not that Borland was in the Comsats, of course. Dan >>>>> just an aside. mind you , i reckon you'd struggle to find too many people who could name many of the "cs angels".p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:47:34 +0100 From: "Michel Faber" Subject: Crocheted Doughnut Ring (authentic band name) >Try this one too - 'The Plateau Phase' by Crispy Ambulance. Apart >from having the worst name of any band >>>> hey , jason , comments like that are gonna start a lot of correspondence. ok , its bad , but surely there are much worse. some of my "favourites" ; >thrush puppies >oi division >jefferson airhead >brent ford & the nylons >con-dom >god is my co-pilot >and there must be sooooo many more. any ideas? p _____________________________________________________ Dear Paul, Wonderful though these names you mention are, they are methinks all intentionally funny. We could add Half Man Half Biscuit, The Snivelling Shits, etc etc. I think what Jason may have been getting at is that Crispy Ambulance were a serious band who wanted to be taken seriously by the world at large - but that they were lumbered with the name Crispy Ambulance. I don't know if they chose the name in a moment of Dadaist whimsy or if they imagined it had dark JG Ballard undertones of grisly car wrecks. Whatever their reasoning, it's not doing their critical standing any good. My own choice for a serious band who made things unnecessarily difficult for themselves is the New Fast Automatic Daffodils. They made (among other albums) a superb record called Body Exit Mind, whose brilliance is likely to be buried by history because even bargain bin hunters are going to steer clear of any band called the New Fast Automatic Daffodils. They later shortened the name to the New Fads, which is in a way even worse, making them sound ephemeral instead of merely stupid. Truly great names for bands are thin on the ground - and lots of the greatest bands don't have particularly good names. The Beatles is a crap name - a bog-standard, adolescent pun; the Rolling Stones isn't much better though at least it has a built-in blues reference. Some great names: Wire (possibly the best name for a rock band ever, in my opinion - it encompasses elecricity, communication, the strings of a guitar, connective cables, being 'wired' psychologically - plus it SOUNDS good, like a whooshing noise Bruce Gilbert might create, PLUS it's one letter for each of the members - as Wire themselves acknowledged when they lost Robert and became Wir) The Doors (the ideal name for a band who wanted to 'break on through to the other side) Yes (I know most of the people on this list will loathe and detest Yes, but they do have an extraordinarily strong and appropriate name, given their mission to make exultantly positive music) Magma (combines Christian Vander's volcanic effusion and his megalomania) Other good ones are Neu, Faust, T-Rex, Blur (though that would have been a more appropriate name for a psychedelic band), Curved Air (not a particularly good band, though), Psychic TV, Kraftwerk... any others? Best wishes, Michel Faber ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 11:17:29 +0100 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: Half Man >Wonderful though these names you mention are, they are methinks >all intentionally funny. We could add Half Man Half Biscuit, The >Snivelling Shits, etc etc. Incidentally Half Man played at the Doncaster Leopard last week. Chris. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 11:19:54 +0100 From: Stuart Fairbrother Subject: Ambulance placers Crispy Ambulance and Half Man Half Biscuit mentioned in the same email. This I cannot ignore. A lyric from the song 'Running Order Squabble Fest' by HMHB - "You're going on after Crispy Ambulance." Crispy Ambulance "Deaf" 10" is never far from my turntable. Biscuit's new LP out later this month. Stu. Wonderful though these names you mention are, they are methinks all intentionally funny. We could add Half Man Half Biscuit, The Snivelling Shits, etc etc. I think what Jason may have been getting at is that Crispy Ambulance were a serious band who wanted to be taken seriously by the world at large - but that they were lumbered with the name Crispy Ambulance. I don't know if they chose the name in a moment of Dadaist whimsy or if they imagined it had dark JG Ballard undertones of grisly car wrecks. Whatever their reasoning, it's not doing their critical standing any good. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 06:36:37 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: Other bands Paul, << if you like the first album , you really should get the peel sessions cd. the versions of "naturals" and "essence" in particular are even better than the emi cuts.p >> Forgot about those....yes, they are brilliant, and thoroughly recommended. Ditto to Comsats Peel sessions (which is called something like 'Time described as a helix...'), many of which are better than the recoded versions Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 06:43:39 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Re[4]: Other bands Paul, << >>>>> just an aside. mind you , i reckon you'd struggle to find too many people who could name many of the "cs angels".p >> Ok, fell for it... Steve Fellows (gtr,voc), Andy Peake (kbds, bkg voc), Mik Glaisher (drums), Kevin Bacon (bass). Not the one out of Flashdance, though he does perform as half of a country folk duo with his brother. Honest. One of the Chameleons was called Reg. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 06:44:48 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Half Man Chris, << Incidentally Half Man played at the Doncaster Leopard last week. >> Big time! When are they playing Hebden Bridge Trades Club?..... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 10:11:06 +0100 From: Ian Grant Subject: Re: Manscape / Wire for beginners At 04:30 04/04/00 -0400, Howard wrote: >I've stuck up for Manscape before and I'll do it again - and especially >'Life in the Manscape', which a reviewer at the time called `a hit >single in a parallel universe'. Agreed, though the mix could be better, >for certain, and the 12" mix is no more than a curiosity. Other >favourite tracks of mine are `Morning bell', `children of groceries' and >'you have hung your lights in the trees'. I think it's the wierd noises >colliding with melody that I go for. Or something like that. I was recently compiling a tape of "second phase" Wire for a friend who'd only heard (and adored) the first three albums, and I was slightly surprised to find that "Manscape" ended up featuring fairly heavily. The whole approach to sound and, more particularly, rhythm still appeals greatly. To quote from my correspondence with that friend: "I'm disappointed at the current lack of electronics, but not because I want Wire to make dance records. It's because, when they split in 1991, what they were doing was quite extraordinary. To elaborate, anyone can take recognisable elements from modern music genres. And many do. To make something that has a hip-hop feel, you just need a decent beat, some scratching and a bit of static. To make something that has a d+b feel, you just need a sped-up breakbeat and a bassline. That's the mix-and-match aesthetic - some of the results are damn fine, but I wouldn't swap the whole lot of them for Wire. By the end, Wire were using all the modern equipment at their disposal. But, whereas everyone else used it either as a means of entry into a specific genre or a means of stealing from a particular genre, Wire used it to open an intense argument with everything around them. The finest moments of their last three LPs - "Manscape", "Drill" and, in particular, "The First Letter" - are magnificently individualistic and yet extremely modern. They had, in effect, started from the same point as everyone else, ignored the crowd and ended up somewhere different. To my mind, virtually no-one's done that *and made an excellent pop record in the process*." >Chairs missing was the first of the harvest albums I heard and i'd >recommend that to anyone else catching up with history. Was anyone else >introduced to Wire, as I was, by a 1985 mini album compilation called >'Wire play pop'? Yes. There was a copy of it in Watford library when I was seventeen or eighteen and I borrowed it out of interest, having heard the name dropped by various bands that I was into at the time (particularly Big Black). I was quite disappointed by it...but, since I was existing on a diet of BB, early Swans and Napalm Death at the time, that's perhaps not so surprising. I taped it anyway and it sat on a shelf for a while before I played it again. And again, and again, and again.... Cheers, ig. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 12:10:59 +0100 From: "andy and sheri wiseman" Subject: horrendous typo my most sincere apologies to anyone who read my last post and thought about that squat bald boring talentless tosser phil collins but surely your first thought should have been edwin or bootsy. the spell-check failed me. yours a.w ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 07:52:53 -0400 From: Carl Archer Subject: Re: Re[4]: Other bands Anybody know whatever became of the Cassandra Complex? I've got "Let's Get to Europe" stuck in my head... > From: MarkBursa@aol.com > Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 06:43:39 EDT > To: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com, idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Re[4]: Other bands > > Paul, > > << >>>>> just an aside. mind you , i reckon you'd struggle to find too many > people who could name many of the "cs angels".p >> > > Ok, fell for it... > > Steve Fellows (gtr,voc), Andy Peake (kbds, bkg voc), Mik Glaisher (drums), > Kevin Bacon (bass). > > Not the one out of Flashdance, though he does perform as half of a country > folk duo with his brother. Honest. > > One of the Chameleons was called Reg. > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:13:17 +0100 From: Steve Finch Subject: re Band names(Crocheted Doughnut Ring) > >Wonderful though these names you mention are, they are methinks >all intentionally funny. We could add Half Man Half Biscuit, The >Snivelling Shits, etc etc. > Re band names:- I always thought 'Strawberry switchblade' was a great band name. However, I was in Melbourne, Australia recently and in a local pub was clearly a band of high morals and good taste 'the filthy maggoty c**nts' I did not check them out!! I guess they did Oleta Adams covers :o) For current band names, Super furry animals is cool. Best/bizarre song title ever? 'I saw Batman at the launderette' by the Shapes, who hailed from Leamington Spa circa 1980 I think. Talking about the older bands, what about the Mekons, Dangerous Girls, Second layer, the Passions (I'm in a love with a german film star etc), they had their merits too. One band I've being trying to get info on is a North American band called 'Industry' who did poppy rock early 1980's..anyone from the states know what happened to them? I've also tried searching Amazon.com and .co.uk but nothing for sale... - -- Steve Finch Direct line tel 01293 425007 Assistant General Manager Admin line tel 01293 425049 Touchdown WTS. 8-9 Magellan Terrace,Gatwick Rd,Crawley,W.Sussex,RH10 2PJ Website www.touchdown.co.uk Fax 01293 521144 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:24:29 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: re Band names(Crocheted Doughnut Ring) Steve, << Talking about the older bands, what about the Mekons, Dangerous Girls, Second layer, the Passions (I'm in a love with a german film star etc), they had their merits too. >> Wasn't Second Layer a side project of Adrian Borland??? Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 15:46:06 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: re Band names(Crocheted Doughnut Ring) following on from the crispy amb comments , i sgree most of those ones i said were a bit tongue in cheek. another band who really sufferred from a bad name were uk decay ; great band but i think a lot of people lumped them in with the uk subs or thought they were a ropey oi act. they did change it eventually (furyo , hmmmm) but by then they'd missed their moment. another one just came to me : the global infantilists (snigger) p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: re Band names(Crocheted Doughnut Ring) Author: MIME:MarkBursa@aol.com at INTERNET Date: 04/04/2000 15:29 Steve, << Talking about the older bands, what about the Mekons, Dangerous Girls, Second layer, the Passions (I'm in a love with a german film star etc), they had their merits too. >> Wasn't Second Layer a side project of Adrian Borland??? Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:54:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Subject: Re: wire for beginners/other bands On Tue, 4 Apr 2000 paul.rabjohn@ssab.com wrote: > god i read that as phil collins and thought we had an infiltrator going > to sing the praises of the drumming on "something in the air tonight". > please spell colin correctly to save further shocks of this type. :-) p Speaking of whom, do people get so crazy about the Academy Awards in other countries as they do in the US? What the hell is wrong with us? Best documentary went to a film that hasn't had the money to be released, which is great, but then...but then...the creative music of American Beauty (haunting, passionate, neurotic, and yet insectile) loses to Phil Collins, the Stupid One from Genesis. I mean, what the fuck? It's the same damn piece of music he's been rewriting since 1985. I hope all of you who don't live in the US don't have to put up with the indignity of living in a country where people can be objectively measured to actually *love* Phil Collins. Bah. - -Joshua > > > ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > Subject: wire for beginners/other bands > Author: MIME:andyandsheri@cwcom.net at INTERNET > Date: 03/04/2000 20:22 > > > of "unknown pleasures,closer,still" > it's "closer" for me everytime.having said that the best of joy division are the singles "transmission","dead souls"and "atmosphere". > but with Collins solo stuff it has to be "it seems". yours > a.w > ___ ___ http://www.swingpad.com (Digital Art and Artisanship) - --- --- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 15:10:56 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[6]: Other bands Anybody know whatever became of the Cassandra Complex? I've got "Let's Get to Europe" stuck in my head... >>>>> one of them ended up in the utah saints i believe. whose first album must rate in my top 5 worst ever purchases. p ------------------------------ Date: 04 Apr 2000 09:05:41 -0500 From: Jack Steinmann Subject: re: Phil There has been much heated discussion on the Aimee Mann list of the indignity of losing out to Phil Collins. This really applies to ANYONE losing to Mr. Collins. South Park's Trey Parker in Entertainment Weekly: "I was just so fucking angry to lose to Phil Collins. Fuck him. It sucks. It sucks. It sucks. I could have lost to Aimee Mann and been like 'Okay, that's cool, she's cool.' My grandkids are going to be, "Fuck you, Grandpa. You lost to Phil Collins." Jack Joshua wrote: >loses to Phil Collins, >the Stupid One from Genesis. I mean, what the fuck? It's the same damn >piece of music he's been rewriting since 1985. > >I hope all of you who don't live in the US don't have to put up with the >indignity of living in a country where people can be objectively measured >to actually *love* Phil Collins. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:06:38 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: wire for beginners/other bands Phil Collins, the Stupid One from Genesis. I mean, what the fuck? >>>> i feel i must take great exception to the above. it could be read as meaning that mike "axe hero" rutherford and tony "keyboard wizzard" banks are the "intelligent ones". which is stretching it rather a lot. ps nice to see phil "i'm gonna leave the country if labour get elected" collins (currently worth £300M) is suing a couple of his brass section for £15,000 royalties he reckons he's owed. nice one phil. what a wanker.p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:09:50 -0400 From: "Sampson, James O." Subject: RE: Re[2]: wire for beginners/other bands Come on friends - let's pick a more challenging target! JS - -----Original Message----- From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com [mailto:paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 11:07 AM To: joshua@espresso.hampshire.edu Cc: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re[2]: wire for beginners/other bands Phil Collins, the Stupid One from Genesis. I mean, what the fuck? >>>> i feel i must take great exception to the above. it could be read as meaning that mike "axe hero" rutherford and tony "keyboard wizzard" banks are the "intelligent ones". which is stretching it rather a lot. ps nice to see phil "i'm gonna leave the country if labour get elected" collins (currently worth £300M) is suing a couple of his brass section for £15,000 royalties he reckons he's owed. nice one phil. what a wanker.p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:42:58 +0100 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: Scott Walker's Meltdown 2000 Did anyone manage to get to Camber Sands? Did they catch Wire? Do we know of a review of the weekend? Well, we are so far off topic that you may be interested in the following: WELCOME TO THE APRIL 2000 ROYAL FESTIVAL HALL CONTEMPORARY MUSIC E-BULLETIN You are currently subscribed as SCOTT WALKER'S MELTDOWN 2000 16 JUNE-2 JULY One of the great enigmatic icons of rock is this year's Meltdown curator. Following in the footsteps of Elvis Costello (1995), Laurie Anderson (1997), John Peel (1998) and Nick Cave (1999), Scott Walker's Meltdown promises to shake the South Bank to its foundations. The line-up includes Radiohead (SOLD OUT), Blur, Jarvis Cocker, Smog, Jim O'Rourke, Dance Project with premiere scores from Orbital and a major new production of Samuel Beckett's masterpiece Waiting for Godot. Tickets go on sale Wednesday 5 April 10am. Full details: http://www.meltdown.co.uk The Official Guide to Meltdown is FREE with Time Out 10 May Highlights over the next few weeks include... * Poetry Olympics with Joe Strummer, John Cooper Clarke and Linton Kwesi Johnson, including a tribute to the late, great Ian Dury 4 April / RFH * Steve Harley 5 April / PR * Cabaret Voltaire's Richard H Kirk 15 April / QEH * Orlando Gough & Richard Chew 16 & 17 April / QEH * Omara Portuondo & Orquesta Aragon 27 April / RFH * Buddy Guy 1 May / RFH * Ute Lemper 3 May / RFH * Scanner, Pan Sonic, Project Dark 4 May / QEH * Tracy Chapman 7 May / RFH * To Rococo Rot 7 May / QEH * Yo La Tengo 8 May / RFH * The Flaming Lips 12 May / RFH * Lambchop 13 May / QEH * The Chieftains 22 May / RFH * Alim Qasimov 26 May / RFH * Annual Festival of Experimental Music 27-29 May / QEH & PR * Keith Jarrett, Gary Peacock, Jack De Johnette 26 & 28 July / RFH OUR BOX OFFICE 020 7960 4242 VISIT OUR WEB SITE AND BOOK ONLINE http://www.sbc.org.uk More news next month from the RFH Contemporary Music E-Bulletin. The Information in this communication is confidential and may be privileged and should be treated by the recipient accordingly. If you are not the intended recipient please notify me immediately. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 03:17:43 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: Re[4]: Other bands >>>>>>> maybe ripoff is a bit harsh but they ploughed pretty much the same furrow and shared a lot of fans. adrian borland used to bang on in quite a sad way about how eatb got famous on the back of mac's looks whereas he stayed poor due to being a bit of a fatty. never did frank black much harm.p > > >Not that Borland was in the Comsats, of course. > >Dan >>>>>> just an aside. mind you , i reckon you'd struggle to find too many people who could name many of the "cs angels".p Or, for that matter, any member of The Sound not named Adrian Borland. Dan > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 18:05:27 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re: Scott Walker's Meltdown 2000 its this sunday coming chris so they'd have had a crap weekend if they'd been yet :-) anyone going? i did enquire but by the time the lads were added to the bill it was sold out. so i guess they end up playing totally to mogwai fans , wonder how they'll go down? still wish i was going to be honest.p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Scott Walker's Meltdown 2000 Author: MIME:Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk at INTERNET Date: 04/04/2000 17:40 Did anyone manage to get to Camber Sands? Did they catch Wire? Do we know of a review of the weekend? Well, we are so far off topic that you may be interested in the following: WELCOME TO THE APRIL 2000 ROYAL FESTIVAL HALL CONTEMPORARY MUSIC E-BULLETIN You are currently subscribed as SCOTT WALKER'S MELTDOWN 2000 16 JUNE-2 JULY One of the great enigmatic icons of rock is this year's Meltdown curator. Following in the footsteps of Elvis Costello (1995), Laurie Anderson (1997), John Peel (1998) and Nick Cave (1999), Scott Walker's Meltdown promises to shake the South Bank to its foundations. The line-up includes Radiohead (SOLD OUT), Blur, Jarvis Cocker, Smog, Jim O'Rourke, Dance Project with premiere scores from Orbital and a major new production of Samuel Beckett's masterpiece Waiting for Godot. Tickets go on sale Wednesday 5 April 10am. Full details: http://www.meltdown.co.uk The Official Guide to Meltdown is FREE with Time Out 10 May Highlights over the next few weeks include... * Poetry Olympics with Joe Strummer, John Cooper Clarke and Linton Kwesi Johnson, including a tribute to the late, great Ian Dury 4 April / RFH * Steve Harley 5 April / PR * Cabaret Voltaire's Richard H Kirk 15 April / QEH * Orlando Gough & Richard Chew 16 & 17 April / QEH * Omara Portuondo & Orquesta Aragon 27 April / RFH * Buddy Guy 1 May / RFH * Ute Lemper 3 May / RFH * Scanner, Pan Sonic, Project Dark 4 May / QEH * Tracy Chapman 7 May / RFH * To Rococo Rot 7 May / QEH * Yo La Tengo 8 May / RFH * The Flaming Lips 12 May / RFH * Lambchop 13 May / QEH * The Chieftains 22 May / RFH * Alim Qasimov 26 May / RFH * Annual Festival of Experimental Music 27-29 May / QEH & PR * Keith Jarrett, Gary Peacock, Jack De Johnette 26 & 28 July / RFH OUR BOX OFFICE 020 7960 4242 VISIT OUR WEB SITE AND BOOK ONLINE http://www.sbc.org.uk More news next month from the RFH Contemporary Music E-Bulletin. The Information in this communication is confidential and may be privileged and should be treated by the recipient accordingly. If you are not the intended recipient please notify me immediately. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 12:19:07 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Re[4]: Other bands Dan, << Or, for that matter, any member of The Sound not named Adrian Borland. >> Don't start me off..... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 12:21:43 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Scott Walker's Meltdown 2000 << * Steve Harley 5 April / PR >> First gig I ever saw. Steve Harley & Cockney Rebel. 1975. They were number 1 at the time with Make me Smile. Support was Sailor. So Sailor was the first band I ever saw. Aaargh!!! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 12:23:13 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: re Band names(Crocheted Doughnut Ring) Paul, Actually I always thought My Bloody Valentine was an extremely crap name. Put me off the band for ages.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 11:35:29 -0500 (CDT) From: flaherty michael w Subject: D & E; Manscape Recently, some members (including myself) of a Sonic Youth list were praising their recent double CD of avant garde covers, Goodbye Twentieth Century. Someone chimed into say that no one could REALLY like that noise, we all know we'd rather be listening to Dirty (one of their most commercial albums), and that we weren't "impressing" anybody. I hate it when that happens. So: I've said it before, and I'll say it again: those who assume that no one likes Manscape are making an erroneous assumption about Wire fans in general. Yes, some like their mainstream things exclusively, but many of us have a real love for their more experimental-weird side. As for D & E, whether or not I would recommend it depends on to whom I'm making the recommendation. The whole business of questioning the taste of others (which is not the same as a healthy disagreement) is particularly distasteful to me. If you don't like the above items, or solo Bruce, or Dome or whatever, fine, say that, tell us why. But don't tell me that I don't really like it, or that I'm just trying to be hipper than thou, or whatever. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 18:35:00 +0100 From: "Stephen Jackson" Subject: Fw: D & E; Manscape >>As for D & E, whether or not I would recommend it depends on to whom I'm >>making the recommendation. > >Just to add my two-pence, I rate "Ally in Exile" as one of Wire's finest >songs, especially the D&E version (I have another on the Mittnacht Bahnhof >Cafe boot, which I really *must* get copied for ChrisWire)....and >Manscape?.....I adore "Small Black Reptile" (is someone playing *spoons* >somewhere in there?) and "Sixth Sense" which is the most sinister Wire song >since "The Other Window"..... > >Steve. >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Anger is an energy. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 12:52:30 -0500 From: "Ciscon, Ray" Subject: OT: My Bloody Valentine I always thought that the name My Bloody Valentine came from the 1981 Canadian slasher flick of the same name... I've never seen the movie myself, but I do remember seeing the trailer and thinking it was hilarious because of the following... The movie featured a killer who dressed in mining attire that included a gas mask and a large mining pick. The killer would use the pick to dispatch his victims. One of the scenes had the killer striking a victim square in the back with the pick while the narrator intoned the phrase, "take your pick".... Always brought groans and laughs from the audience. Cheers, Ray Ciscon Remote Office LAN/WAN Support Manager Comark, Inc. In order to provide the best level of support, please contact: The I.S. Support Center at extension 4357 ** Every support call should begin with a call to the I. S. Support Center. ** -----Original Message----- From: MarkBursa@aol.com [mailto:MarkBursa@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 11:23 AM To: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com; idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: Re[2]: re Band names(Crocheted Doughnut Ring) Paul, Actually I always thought My Bloody Valentine was an extremely crap name. Put me off the band for ages.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 19:04:33 GMT From: pshaw@cave.net Subject: Other bands I highly recommend Random Hold. Check out http://www.ubl.com and search for Random Hold... Liz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 19:21:09 GMT From: pshaw@cave.net Subject: phil I detest Phil Collins. IMHO, he ruined one of the best bands of all time... Liz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:41:22 -0500 From: "Ciscon, Ray" Subject: RE: Re[6]: Other bands & Utah Saints Paul, I rather like the first, and to my knowledge, only Utah Saints album... & I have visions of a really cool hockey jersey for the mythical Utah Saints hockey club. Now I'm curious as to what your other 4 worst ever purchases are? And since I've seen the quite good, "High Fidelity" last weekend, I'll put forth this top, err... worst 5 list: A quick, in no particular order, off the top of my head, worst 5 albums I paid money for: Primitive Radio Gods - Rocket: One good song, "Waiting Outside a Broken Phonebooth.....", along with 60 minutes of shite. I look forward to the 2010's when we'll hear this song on 'oldies' stations and a wacky DJ will end the song with, "That was Primitive Radio Gods, with a medley of their hit....". Easterhouse - Waiting for the Redbird: A song that should have been a smash hit, "Come Out Fighting", and every other song is a piece of communist propaganda or a polemic against Thatcher and Reagan... the day I start taking political advice from a musician (left or right), is the day I let your average brainless, only knows three chords, musical idiot do my thinking for me. Ultravox - U-Vox: The band that made interesting electronic/classical pop music on 'Vienna' and 'Rage in Eden' reduced to ballads, love songs, and anti-war songs... it's no wonder this album was never released in the US. Of course I paid extra for the import. Doh! Lucious Jackson - Fever In, Fever Out: I bought this on the strength of the 'Naked Eye' single, only to find out that the rest of the album did not resemble in any way that song. The rest of the album was forgettable 90's vintage so-called 'alternative' music. Underworld - Underneath the Radar: I picked up this one as an import from a mail order place, sight unseen, thinking it was a modern day Underworld release that had slipped through the cracks... little did I know that it was the previous incarnation of Underworld, i.e. 80's pop/rock... in all actuality the music isn't horrible... it just wasn't what I expected... especially for $28.00 Cheers, Ray Ciscon Remote Office LAN/WAN Support Manager Comark, Inc. In order to provide the best level of support, please contact: The I.S. Support Center at extension 4357 ** Every support call should begin with a call to the I. S. Support Center. ** -----Original Message----- From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com [mailto:paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 9:11 AM To: MarkBursa@aol.com; idealcopy@smoe.org; notcarl@home.com Subject: Re[6]: Other bands Anybody know whatever became of the Cassandra Complex? I've got "Let's Get to Europe" stuck in my head... >>>>> one of them ended up in the utah saints i believe. whose first album must rate in my top 5 worst ever purchases. p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:03:58 +0100 From: "Michel Faber" Subject: Phil Collins and Colin's grocery bill Joshua wrote: >I hope all of you who don't live in the US don't have to put up with >the indignity of living in a country where people can be objectively >measured to actually *love* Phil Collins. Paul wrote: >ps nice to see phil "i'm gonna leave the country if labour get >elected" collins (currently worth £300M) is suing a couple of his >brass section for £15,000 royalties he reckons he's owed. nice >one phil. what a wanker. James Sampson wrote: >Come on friends - let's pick a more challenging target! _______________________________________________________ The career path of Phil Collins is actually a fascinating one and a scary lesson in what could conceivably happen to just about any musician when engulfed in mega-success. Once upon a time, Collins was a superb drummer who lived, breathed, ate and slept music. As well as doing fine work with Genesis in their exploratory early years, he drummed with an astonishing array of other musicians in all fields of music, not for the money but because he simply couldn't get enough of playing. Those of you who have no time for prog rock, jazz or folk may nevertheless have some respect for Brian Eno and John Cale: Some of the best pieces on Eno's Another Green World, Before And After Science and Music For Films are all the better for Collins' drumming, and he also did some good work on John Cale's Helen Of Troy. Outstanding too is his work on Peter Gabriel's third album. He was, incidentally, also extremely well liked by other musicians for his enthusiasm, good humour and genuine friendliness. Then in the early eighties his solo career hit big and he rapidly became the arsehole he is today. We can only speculate what happened to him as a human being (the recent royalties dispute is indeed disgraceful - he'll probably end up paying some PR expert more for spinning 'damage control' than he'll get back from the poor bastards in his old brass section) but what's happened to him as a musician is only too clear. A man who once tried his damndest to be the best drummer in the world has become a whining MOR idler composing pap for Disney movies, and his drum style has become the epitome of clumping heavyhandedness. The Phil Collins of 1972 would have hated the Phil Collins of today. For fans of interesting bands, there's an interesting dilemma here. We want our favourite musicians to achieve success, get their music heard, earn enough money to set up a studio, feed their kids, etc. And yet so many musicians who become REALLY well-off also lose their way big-time musically. It may be in our interests for Wire to remain a minority taste forever - even though, on a practical level, that may be making it hard for Colin and Malka to pay the bills. Tricky. Best wishes, Michel Faber ------------------------------ Date: 04 Apr 2000 15:17:14 -0500 From: Jack Steinmann Subject: re: Phil Collins and Colin's grocery bill Let's hear it, then, for "No One Receiving" and "Intruder." Jack Michel Faber wrote: >Some of the best pieces on Eno's Another Green World, Before >And After Science and Music For Films are all the better for Collins' >drumming, and he also did some good work on John Cale's Helen >Of Troy. Outstanding too is his work on Peter Gabriel's third album. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 18:28:56 -0400 From: Casper Milquetoast Subject: Super Stardom Syndromania For fans of interesting bands, there's an interesting dilemma here. We want our favourite musicians to achieve success, get their music heard, earn enough money to set up a studio, feed their kids, etc. And yet so many musicians who become REALLY well-off also lose their way big-time musically. I really cannot think of many people that have achieved superstar status and don't become the before mentioned assholes. In regards to the few that are still producing good music and are achieving commerical success and don't become complete *insert bad four letter word here* s in the process, Moby, Beck, and similar psuedo-electronic types. Although I think Rob Zombie did say it best whenever interviewed about his "selling out" "What? Of course I'm selling out! I've waited years for this, let me tell all of you this: Being poor sucks." I don't think many people can honestly say that achieving such success wouldn't change them. I really don't blame Phil Collins or David Bowie for what they've become, I blame the swarming mass of stupidity that put them there. Just my two cents. casper ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 18:13:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Crocheted Doughnut Ring (authentic band name) On Tue, 4 Apr 2000, Michel Faber wrote: > Wire (possibly the best name for a rock band ever, in my opinion - > it encompasses elecricity, communication, the strings of a guitar, > connective cables, being 'wired' psychologically - plus it SOUNDS > good, like a whooshing noise Bruce Gilbert might create, PLUS it's > one letter for each of the members - as Wire themselves > acknowledged when they lost Robert and became Wir) Agreed - plus its simplicity implies a kind of minimalism that dovetails perfectly with (at least their early) aesthetic. I think it's a shame there never was a psychedelic band called The Albert Hoffman Blues Band... - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/reviews.html ::SCENE 2: ::Aunt Fritzi applies lipstick in the mirror. In the next room, Sluggo ::removes his ever-present cap and blows his nose in a red handkerchief. ::Nancy enters the room and accuses Sluggo of stealing the donuts that ::Aunt Fritzi made for her. Sluggo looks at the clock, which reads 8:54, ::and says he'd better hurry or he'll be late for his trombone lesson. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #86 ******************************