From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #80 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, March 30 2000 Volume 03 : Number 080 Today's Subjects: ----------------- www.peoplesound.com [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] www.peoplesound.com [Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk] Re: trivial aside [Mark Short ] Re: RFH review in 'The Wire' [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] middle of the land ["Miles Goosens" ] Mojo Review of RFH..Wire=Aerosmith?! [Tim Robinson ] Re: Verlaine's guitar [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: Verlaine's guitar [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: Verlaine's guitar [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: Verlaine's guitar [Brian Barnett ] [none] [owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] Re: Verlaine's guitar [ajwells@ix.netcom.com] Re: Verlaine's guitar [Joshua ] Eno [Joshua ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 15:32:10 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: www.peoplesound.com these are the people who offer a free cd on the back of "the wire" , just applied for mine. they don't say what's going to be on it though...... on their home page it has a thing where you type in an "old" band and it tells you "new" bands who sound like them. i typed in wire and there are 28 in that category. top are someone called flumox (who apparently sound 87% like wire). also in the top 10 are 2 acts called marmyte sandwich and beergut 100. i vaguely suspect i am not missing much here , but has anyone heard of these acts? maybe they are on this free cd , beergut 100 sound suspiciously like a bad oi band however. p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:51:24 +0100 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: www.peoplesound.com Paul, I received my CD a couple of weeks ago. There are a couple of decent tracks on there. Track 2 is a *nice* bubblegum-pop song that I can't get out of my head. I haven't heard of the two bands you mention though and can't remember if they're on the CD or not. Chris. paul.rabjohn@ssab.com on 29/03/2000 15:32:10 To: idealcopy@smoe.org cc: (bcc: Chris Ray/Finance/MEDAS) Subject: www.peoplesound.com these are the people who offer a free cd on the back of "the wire" , just applied for mine. they don't say what's going to be on it though...... on their home page it has a thing where you type in an "old" band and it tells you "new" bands who sound like them. i typed in wire and there are 28 in that category. top are someone called flumox (who apparently sound 87% like wire). also in the top 10 are 2 acts called marmyte sandwich and beergut 100. i vaguely suspect i am not missing much here , but has anyone heard of these acts? maybe they are on this free cd , beergut 100 sound suspiciously like a bad oi band however. p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:54:50 +0100 From: Mark Short Subject: Re: trivial aside paul.rabjohn@ssab.com wrote: > > i was only repeating the des moines thing from my old "discography of the new wave" doorstep , i never worked it out properly. wouldn't have thought wire spent a lot of time flying across america in 79 though (i thought they only played new york first time round). i suppose it could always be (gulp) a metaphor for something.....p > Isn't the metaphor in the words "lines of longitude and latitude define...", given that the borders of many American states are just so defined. I remember an explanation along those lines (hoho) in an interview with Wire in the fanzine Rapid Eye Movement. > paul.rabjohn@ssab.com wrote: > > > probably the price you pay for naming singles after map references. > (trivial aside. i think the place at the famous map reference is > des moines iowa. anyone know why?) p > > To be obnoxiously pedantic, I believe it's actually Monroe, Iowa. > I don't have my book handy, but if I recall correctly it had something to do with flying over the midwest. Someone with the book > could probably give a better explanation, though. > > Amanda ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 11:46:15 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: RFH review in 'The Wire' On Wed, 29 Mar 2000, geoffry wrote: > It's Centretown, Iowa, which is the exact geographical centre of the USA. Okay, here's something I've long wondered: w/o going too in-depth mathwise, can anyone explain how one calculates such things for irregular landmasses? I mean, the exact geographical center of, say, Colorado would be easy to figure - damn state's a rectangle. (Why do I think Aaron Mandel will be the first to respond?) - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/reviews.html ::This is America. People do whatever the fuck they feel like doing.... ::As a result, this country has one of the worst economies in the world. __Neal Stephenson, SNOW CRASH__ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:14:06 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: RFH review in 'The Wire' On Wed, 29 Mar 2000, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > (Why do I think Aaron Mandel will be the first to respond?) because i don't know the answer, and therefore can't resist posting? my guess would be that they are referring to the point where a perfectly flat, uniformly thick board in the shape of the US would balance. if memory serves me, there always exists such a point for any shape. so for instance, that would be the point which lies on a line of latitude having half the country's area north of it and half south of it, AND on a line of longitude having half of the country's area east of it, half west. there's definitely a point like that; the only question is whether it's the same result you'd get if you turned the country 45 degrees. i think it is. this would be closely related to the Ham Sandwich Theorem, but is not a direct consequence of it. aaron ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:29:27 -0600 From: "Miles Goosens" Subject: middle of the land > On Wed, 29 Mar 2000, geoffry wrote: > > > It's Centretown, Iowa, which is the exact geographical centre of > the USA. Hm. This sounds wrong to me. There are probably all kinds of competing methods for measuring centers of geographical entities, but here's what I thought the generally-recognized geographic centers of the U.S. are: CONTINENTAL 48 STATES: Smith County, KS, near Lebanon (39 deg. 50' N x 98 deg. 35' W) INCLUDING ALASKA AND HAWAII: Castle Rock, SD (44 deg. 58' N x 103 deg. 46' W) I don't have any Wire interviews handy, but I seem to recall that the titular map ref was selected simply to indicate a sort of in-the-middle-of-endless-flat-vastness(perhaps a point during a plane trip where inspiration struck?), rather than that point on the map having a particular attribute such as "exact geographical centre of the U.S." later, listowner Miles, who will be seeing BR5-49 later tonight and is probably the only person on the list who would enjoy both Wire and a band named after Junior Samples' used-car lot phone number ___________________________________________________________________ To get your own FREE ZDNet Onebox - FREE voicemail, email, and fax, all in one place - sign up today at http://www.zdnetonebox.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 20:45:20 +0100 From: Tim Robinson Subject: Mojo Review of RFH..Wire=Aerosmith?! Forgive me if this has been mentioned before but did anyone see the review of the RFH gig in Mojo (British oldies rock magazine with severe Pink Floyd obsession) Its the ususal story..."why didn't they play I am the Fly, Dot Dash etc etc".....however the main criticism of Wire seems to be the drum sound which they describe as "80s Snare Drum Hell". Apparenly the Lowdown sounded "..dangerously close to stadium rock". I didn't get that impression at all. Certainly during the late 80s Wire veered towards that cheesy LinnDrum sound that was compulsory among 80s record producers but that night Mr Gotobed was playing an old fashioned acoustic drum kit and I thought his playing was strident and crisp. They sounded like a band half their age throughout. Bruce Gilbert is older than my Dad for gawds sake! The reviewer compares the gig "..as if Wire were playing Live Aid". Maybe it depends where you were stood in the RFH...it is a strange venue. The acoustics were painstakingly designed to get pristine sound from an orchestral performance but stick a live band in there and its bound to sound a bit odd. Did anyone else think it sounded like a Stadium Rock? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:42:29 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: middle of the land Miles, << listowner Miles, who will be seeing BR5-49 later tonight and is probably the only person on the list who would enjoy both Wire and a band named after Junior Samples' used-car lot phone number >> Don't underestimate us! Country in various forms features in my record collection (3,000 albums and counting..) And I always wondered why such a traditional-sounding (virtually pre-rock'n'roll) band had such an odd name.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:07:53 -0600 (CST) From: flaherty michael w Subject: Verlaine's guitar If anyone is interested, the guitar Tom Verlaine used on the two original Television albums is for sale on Ebay. Price is nearing 19,000 $US. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 20:20:49 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Verlaine's guitar Michael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 20:22:39 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Verlaine's guitar >>If anyone is interested, the guitar Tom Verlaine used on the two original Television albums is for sale on Ebay. Price is nearing 19,000 $US.<< I wish you hadn't pointed that out..... I hope it goes to a good home.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 21:33:15 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Verlaine's guitar Michael, It finally sold for $31,600......to someone called Mr. Brown.... Not his real name, I reckon! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:11:35 -0800 From: Brian Barnett Subject: Re: Verlaine's guitar Just wait for the Dumble amp sale ! He's in his seventies. MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > Michael, > > It finally sold for $31,600......to someone called Mr. Brown.... > > Not his real name, I reckon! > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 22:33:34 -0500 (EST) From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [none] 1.3.167) for idealcopy@smoe.org; 27 Mar 2000 11:47:27 -0500 Received: from osfn.rhilinet.gov ([daticon.com]) by 192.168.166.21 ( IA Mail Server Version: 2.2.1 Build: 2040 ) ) ; 27 Mar 00 16:48:16 UT Message-ID: <38DF8F98.D957BA7B@osfn.rhilinet.gov> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:43:04 -0500 From: Sergey Kazachenko X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: a Boston Drill? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org Precedence: bulk >I heard that Wire was touring again, and heard that they were coming to my >domain of Boston, MA, Gotobed and all. Is this true? Yes! Shouldn't we massholes meet somewhere in Boston before the show? Anyone who knows the scene around Roxy wants to speak up? - -- Sergey Kazachenko sergey@belmusic.hypermart.net Belarusan Music Source - http://belmusic.hypermart.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 21:14:07 -0500 From: ajwells@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: Verlaine's guitar MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > > Michael, > > It finally sold for $31,600......to someone called Mr. Brown.... > > Not his real name, I reckon! Isnt it great how the age of the IPO has raised jock-sniffing to levels unimaginable just a short time ago? This one makes the yahoo who bought Eno's synth seem reasonable... I mean, what in the world do you do with these things once you have them? Show your friends? Try and impress women? "Oh thats cool... Tom... who?" You've gotta love collectors... Aj. ICQ# 6174686 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 00:23:59 -0500 (EST) From: Joshua Subject: Re: Verlaine's guitar On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 ajwells@ix.netcom.com wrote: > Isnt it great how the age of the IPO has raised jock-sniffing to levels > unimaginable just a short time ago? This one makes the yahoo who bought > Eno's synth seem reasonable... I mean, what in the world do you do with > these things once you have them? Show your friends? Try and impress > women? "Oh thats cool... Tom... who?" Dude, I don't know *what* I'd pay for Eno's synth. There would have to be some serious magic left in there. "What do the notes mean?" - -Joshua ___ ___ http://www.swingpad.com (Digital Art and Artisanship) - --- --- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 00:37:40 -0500 (EST) From: Joshua Subject: Eno http://noc.pue.udlap.mx/eno/tom_hart.html Some other nice stuff at this site. "If you listen to the heuristics and logistics of the mystics then you find that their minds rarely move in a line." - -Joshua ___ ___ http://www.swingpad.com (Digital Art and Artisanship) - --- --- ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #80 ******************************