From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #71 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, March 21 2000 Volume 03 : Number 071 Today's Subjects: ----------------- new to list - C. Newman & Janet Smith ["Mary Halo" ] Re: new to list - C. Newman & Janet Smith [Mark Short ] Re: S.F. on-sale date(s)? [Jack Steinmann ] RE: plastic punks and no inertia..... [David Turnbull ] Re: idealcopy-digest V3 #68 [Howard Spencer ] Re[2]: plastic punks and no inertia..... [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re[2]: Keith Levene [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] One for grapple fans [Mark Short ] Re: S.F. on-sale date(s)? [Brian ] anorak alert [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] May 28th [Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk] Re[2]: idealcopy-digest V3 #68 [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re: Swim Team #1 [David Mckenzie ] Re: WIRE in SF [Michael Halsted ] football ["andy and sheri wiseman" ] Re: idealcopy-digest V3 #68 ["Stephen Jackson" ] Commercial Zone ["Michel Faber" ] Re: Keith Levene ["tube disaster" ] Re: new to list - C. Newman & Janet Smith ["ian barrett" ] Re: Zone ["marlon" ] Tickets; PIL [flaherty michael w ] Re: new to list - C. Newman & Janet Smith [Andrew N Westmeyer ] Re: Keith Levene [geoffry ] Re: please forgive me if this is an old topic --WIRE in SF [Brian ] Re: French speaking lands [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] Re: Yankee bashing [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] Re: French speaking lands ["tube disaster" ] Re[2]: Keith Levene [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 11:41:24 GMT From: "Mary Halo" Subject: new to list - C. Newman & Janet Smith hi, i'm new to the list, and a new wire 'fan' if you could call me that since i've only heard one song: 'reuters'.(i'm from california, u.s.a. by the way.) i have a couple questions if anyone would like to respond, 1-for a first wire album, which would you recommend? i was thinking Pink flag for starters.. 2-does anyone know anymore information about the album by C. Newman & Janet Smith? i read that C.=Chris (at the bottom of http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~qwerty/wire/images.html), but i'm still interested in knowing more and hearing this album, but can't find ANY info on it. i've only found one thing about it, and i think it's wrong, because it says colin did make it (at http://perso.club-internet.fr/lefada/neverenough/english/Galerie24.html) my favorite color is clear, what's yours? *Mary* ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:42:08 +0000 From: Mark Short Subject: Re: new to list - C. Newman & Janet Smith Mary Halo wrote: > > hi, > i'm new to the list, and a new wire 'fan' if you could call me that since > i've only heard one song: 'reuters'.(i'm from california, u.s.a. by the > way.) i have a couple questions if anyone would like to respond, > 1-for a first wire album, which would you recommend? i was thinking Pink > flag for starters.. > 2-does anyone know anymore information about the album by C. Newman & Janet > Smith? i read that C.=Chris (at the bottom of > http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~qwerty/wire/images.html), but i'm still > interested in knowing more and hearing this album, but can't find ANY info > on it. i've only found one thing about it, and i think it's wrong, because > it says colin did make it (at > http://perso.club-internet.fr/lefada/neverenough/english/Galerie24.html) > I don't recall any mention of this collaboration in Kevin Eden's Wire biog. There's a Chris Newman who's a British avant garde composer. I think he's in his 30's. Perhaps it was he who worked with Janet Smith? If memory serves, Chris Newman used to style himslf "C. Newman" > my favorite color is clear, what's yours? > *Mary* > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: 20 Mar 2000 07:16:57 -0600 From: Jack Steinmann Subject: Re: S.F. on-sale date(s)? In all these -- what is it? -- years subscribing to just the Wire list and to Aimee Mann's list, this is the first time I've seen a crossover between the two. The Wire listowner follows the Loud Family? Excellent. Jack On Sunday, March 19, 2000, Miles Goosens wrote: >Melissa and I may be travelling to the Bay Area in order to see both the >May 3rd Fillmore show and the Loud Family's May 5th tour-ending >blowout. Is the on-sale date for the Fillmore tickets really April 2nd as >reported? That would be a Sunday, which seems like a highly unlikely day >of the week for tickets sales to begin... > >later, > >listowner Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:23:58 -0000 From: David Turnbull Subject: RE: plastic punks and no inertia..... I have it on good authority (i.e.a Brussels newspaper) that Bob Geldof is actually Belgian - that's 10 then. > -----Original Message----- > From: MarkBursa@aol.com [SMTP:MarkBursa@aol.com] > Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2000 2:44 PM > To: george.m.hook@ac.com; idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: Re: plastic punks and no inertia..... > > George, > > Oh hell, what have I started!!! > > >>Front 242, Jacques Brel, Georges Simenon, Rene Magritte, the Neon > Judgement, A Split Second, Herge, Eddy Merckx, Cesar Franck<< > > Well, I will diasllow the three Belgian indie groups as they are just not > famous enough! > > You could have Jacky Ickx and Jean-claude van Damme instead, I guess! So > along with PB there's nine....need one more > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:27:45 -0000 From: "Michel Faber" Subject: Re: Keith Levene Dear Paul, Keith Levene was, as you surmise, indeed a drug addict - and perhaps still is. (Heroin.) After leaving PIL, he made only one album that I know of, called VIOLENT OPPOSITION. It was released in 1989 on a small ?Dutch label and later picked up by Rykodisc, from whom it is still available at mid-price. It has a painted portrait of Keith Levene on the cover which looks like it was executed by an arthritic schizophrenic using a starter set of acrylics. Musically it's a very mixed bag, obviously very quickly and cheaply recorded - a few reggae tracks, a few drumbox & feedback guitar workouts, appalling cover versions of John Lennon's 'Cold Turkey' and Hendrix's 'If Six Was Nine'. Only a very desperate journalist would think of lauding it as a 'great lost classic', though it's not without its moments. But what's COMMERCIAL ZONE? The only PIL albums I was aware of involving Levene are PUBLIC IMAGE aka FIRST EDITION, METAL BOX aka SECOND EDITION, PARIS AU PRINTEMPS, and FLOWERS OF ROMANCE. Did one slip my notice, or is it a later post-Levene effort? Best wishes, Michel Faber PS: I'd like to take this opportunity to make clear that my comment about "ethnically pure" Belgians was tongue-in-cheek. I never meant to imply that you cared about the racial make-up of bands, and if you were annoyed, I apologise. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:17:42 +0000 From: Howard Spencer Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V3 #68 >Weren't Telex from Belgium? I once owned some of their >lps... >TELEX represented their country at the Eurovision song contest in about 1979 >or 80. Hardly a glowing epitaph, but their song - entitled 'Eurovision' was >a strange little piece of electropop (given the context), and certainly >raised the Belgians in my estimation. Needless to say they scooped no >prizes. It was 1980, and they got 11 points for `Eurovision' - their aim in entering the contest was to finish last but Portugal stuffed them by awarding them 10 points. 'Neurovision' was the title of the album and a sort of downtempo remix of the track. A remix album of 1998 was entitled `I don't like music', with accompanying `straight' compilation called `I don't like remixes'. Boxed set is entitled 'Belgium, one point'. Nice pic of them at http://www.lifehouse.force9.co.uk/Telex/autograph.htm Only one of them could be described as fat, as this shows. I am a Telex fan and I don't care who knows, and what's more, I never miss Eurovision. There are always at least two decent songs and as an occasion it is not matched by anything else since the demise of 'Jeux sans frontieres'. Back on Wire: I've been thinking recently about possible football references in Wire songs: A serious of snakes: 'our half time sequence (secrets??), and there's a story in me, etc. Map Ref: `Crystal Palaces for floral kings' (this one has a particular resonance for me) Nice from here (Wir) `I always hated half time goals' Any more? And does anyone know if C. Newman is a season ticket holder at Selhurst park, or G. Lewis the same at Upsala Utd, etc, etc.? Cheers Howard Howard ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:46:07 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: plastic punks and no inertia..... hmmm , well if he is i wouldn't blame the belgians for not adding him to their "great musicians" list. although i would certainly categorise him in with plastic b....... p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: RE: plastic punks and no inertia..... Author: SE:david.turnbull@bbc.co.uk at INTERNET Date: 20/03/2000 14:29 I have it on good authority (i.e.a Brussels newspaper) that Bob Geldof is actually Belgian - that's 10 then. > -----Original Message----- > From: MarkBursaÉaol.com ÄSMTP:MarkBursaÉaol.comÅ > Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2000 2:44 PM > To: george.m.hookÉac.com; idealcopyÉsmoe.org > Subject: Re: plastic punks and no inertia..... > > George, > > Oh hell, what have I started!!! > > >>Front 242, Jacques Brel, Georges Simenon, Rene Magritte, the Neon > Judgement, A Split Second, Herge, Eddy Merckx, Cesar Franck<< > > Well, I will diasllow the three Belgian indie groups as they are just not > famous enough! > > You could have Jacky Ickx and Jean-claude van Damme instead, I guess! So > along with PB there's nine....need one more > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:46:14 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: Keith Levene Dear Paul, Keith Levene was, as you surmise, indeed a drug addict - and perhaps still is. (Heroin.) After leaving PIL, he made only one album that I know of, called VIOLENT OPPOSITION. It was released in 1989 on a small ?Dutch label and later picked up by Rykodisc, from whom it is still available at mid-price. It has a painted portrait of Keith Levene on the cover which looks like it was executed by an arthritic schizophrenic using a starter set of acrylics. Musically it's a very mixed bag, obviously very quickly and cheaply recorded - a few reggae tracks, a few drumbox & feedback guitar workouts, appalling cover versions of John Lennon's 'Cold Turkey' and Hendrix's 'If Six Was Nine'. Only a very desperate journalist would think of lauding it as a 'great lost classic', though it's not without its moments. >>>>>> i have actually heard this , i thought it was dreadful and i was really let down by it. kl also did the "beef" single with gary clail and played a gig with him in london , but that was the last i heard , maybe 1990. i think the heroin was always his downfall. But what's COMMERCIAL ZONE? The only PIL albums I was aware of involving Levene are PUBLIC IMAGE aka FIRST EDITION, METAL BOX aka SECOND EDITION, PARIS AU PRINTEMPS, and FLOWERS OF ROMANCE. Did one slip my notice, or is it a later post-Levene effort? >>>>> CZ was a semi-official lp released at the time of "this is what you see....". apparrently levine/lydon recorded CZ then fell out , lydon went and re-recorded it with his LA session-muso band. so kl released the original version himself to show people what they were missing. its a lot better than tiwys (not difficult.....). you do see it occasionally , it doesn't sell for megabucks (£10?)p ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:46:38 +0000 From: Mark Short Subject: One for grapple fans Howard Spencer wrote: > > Back on Wire: I've been thinking recently about possible football > references in Wire songs: > > A serious of snakes: 'our half time sequence (secrets??), and there's a > story in me, etc. > Map Ref: `Crystal Palaces for floral kings' (this one has a particular > resonance for me) > Nice from here (Wir) `I always hated half time goals' > > Any more? And does anyone know if C. Newman is a season ticket holder at > Selhurst park, or G. Lewis the same at Upsala Utd, etc, etc.? > > Cheers > Howard Bruce has been quoted in the NME a few times as Newcastle Utd fan. Given ~swim's sw19 address, Colin should be lobbying for the Dons to return to Plough Lane. To link this sporting thread with the recent "wrestling equals redneck" thread, "A Single KO" has a whole load of references to wrestling. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 07:17:10 -0800 From: Brian Subject: Re: S.F. on-sale date(s)? The fillmore date has not been announced as of yet. Hey boche have you seen Macadamia lately. Miles Goosens wrote: > Melissa and I may be travelling to the Bay Area in order to see both the > May 3rd Fillmore show and the Loud Family's May 5th tour-ending > blowout. Is the on-sale date for the Fillmore tickets really April 2nd as > reported? That would be a Sunday, which seems like a highly unlikely day > of the week for tickets sales to begin... > > later, > > listowner Miles > > ====================================================== > Miles Goosens > > UNlimited edition R. Stevie Moore CDs now available! > http://www.rsteviemoore.com > > My personal website > http://www.mindspring.com/~outdoorminer/miles > > "If a million people say a stupid thing, it is still > a stupid thing." > -- Anatole France > ====================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:20:03 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: anorak alert i have been made an offer by a dutch dealer for some stuff i've got , no idea about this guy but he's got some pretty rare stuff that may interest people. if anyone wants his address pse mail me ; midnacht bahnhof cafe bootleg lp ; £25 (ouch , but i guess its rare...) interview 12" £10 (not bad price) life in the manscape 5tr cd £7 (not bad either) he wants postage on top of this. don't say i never pass this stuff around....... p ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:44:23 +0000 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: May 28th Just ordered 2 tickets direct from the venue. Do we know if the playlist will differ from SBC? Chris. The Information in this communication is confidential and may be privileged and should be treated by the recipient accordingly. If you are not the intended recipient please notify me immediately. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:13:03 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: idealcopy-digest V3 #68 I am a Telex fan and I don't care who knows, and what's more, I never miss Eurovision. There are always at least two decent songs and as an occasion it is not matched by anything else since the demise of 'Jeux sans frontieres'. >>>>> i only have a vague memory of telex. wasn't it "twist a san tropez". how long were they actually going for? i think a lot of those euro bands in the "new wave" era got a bit of airplay initially then died off pretty quick (eg telex/gruppo sportivo/telephone/plastic b), you find out later they had huge careers in europe. i remember a great conversation between john peel and kid jensen around that time; peelie "you know in those francophone countries it seems if you have one hit then you're a star forever" the kid "yes , and its just the same as that in belgium" (peel groans) Back on Wire: I've been thinking recently about possible football references in Wire songs: A serious of snakes: 'our half time sequence (secrets??), and there's a story in me, etc. Map Ref: `Crystal Palaces for floral kings' (this one has a particular resonance for me) Nice from here (Wir) `I always hated half time goals' Any more? And does anyone know if C. Newman is a season ticket holder at Selhurst park, or G. Lewis the same at Upsala Utd, etc, etc.? >>>> oooh yes , anyone know their allegiances? p ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:42:49 -0800 (PST) From: David Mckenzie Subject: Re: Swim Team #1 esp when the 'record company' is colin and malka course that's part of the 'biz' > must > really piss off the record company when stuff gets > re-circulated this way so cheaply and quickly. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 11:12:16 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Halsted Subject: Re: WIRE in SF Either place is fine for different reasons: Filmore: You can park in the Japantown parking lot which is wonderful for convenience sake. It's not really that frightening of a neighborhood - it's a bit less "pretty" than GAMH but you do get a (possibly) nice free poster at the end of the show which to me is a nice way to commemorate the event. Plus, before the show you could have some good udon at Mifune in Japantown across the street. GAMH: It's a far more beautiful venue and there's more viewable balcony space. It's an area that's just as "scary" as The Fillmore. No place really to park except on the street at your own risk. (I've actually gotten my car broken into more at GAMH than at Fillmore) So, if your not driving, it's a great place... Personally, I'm going to both. ================ - -Michael Halsted kbmh@pacbell.net halsted@ilm.com- ================ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:20:18 -0000 From: "andy and sheri wiseman" Subject: football "....is to win the game to avoid relegation," lowdown. however no members of wire could follow crystal palace that's unthinkable. yours a.w brighton season ticket holder(looking forward to boxing day 2001). ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:18:31 -0000 From: "Stephen Jackson" Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V3 #68 : Howard Spencer wrote.... Of footie references... >A serious of snakes: 'our half time sequence (secrets??), and there's a >story in me, etc. "Ah, but I have secrets and there's a story in me..." The word 'Uffa' in "Madman's Honey" is almost like "Uefa" Steve. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Anger is an energy. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:05:09 -0000 From: "Michel Faber" Subject: Commercial Zone Hmmm, this Commercial Zone item by PIL (discussed by several list members recently) sounds intriguing. If anyone out there has a copy of it that they'd be prepared to tape for me, I could send them something in return. I do tape swaps with several people world-wide (no money involved) and have a pretty huge collection of unusual material, specialising in avant-garde, new wave, electronic, Krautrock and progressive. Perhaps the best thing to do, if you're interested, is email me off-list with particular 'wants' you haven't been able to track down, and if I can help you with them, we can take it from there. Best wishes, Michel Faber ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:14:16 -0800 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: Keith Levene - - >>But what's COMMERCIAL ZONE? The only PIL albums I was aware of involving Levene are PUBLIC IMAGE aka FIRST EDITION, METAL BOX aka SECOND EDITION, PARIS AU PRINTEMPS, and FLOWERS OF ROMANCE. Did one slip my notice, or is it a later post-Levene effort?<< I don't own & haven't heard the record, but the Trouser Press Guide describes it as "an abandoned version of This is What You Want issued by (& featuring, as the one on Elektra does not) founding guitarist Keith Levene, who left PiL during the album's production." Sounds good to me. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:25:07 -0000 From: "ian barrett" Subject: Re: new to list - C. Newman & Janet Smith Hi Mary - welcome to the list. Many (about 18, I think) years ago I was flicking through the Wire/Related section in a Leeds/England record shop ( a branch of Virgin) having been bowled over by Colin Newman's A-Z, and Wire's 154, and turned up a copy of this album (which I didn't buy). Memory has turned this into a "Colin Newman and Janet Smith" album, probably because it was in the Wire section, but I'll happily concede that it could have been just C Newman and Janet Smith. One thing I remember about it is the inclusion of a track with the unfortunate title 'Wanker Prize'. When I went back again afterwards, the record was gone. When making a purchase from WMO a couple of years ago I asked about this and drew something of a blank and so until your email turned up I'd honestly decided that I must be remembering a dream from years ago. If any of this is covered in the digests, apologies, but I ain't got round to them yet. (sorry Miles!) - ----- Original Message ----- From: Mary Halo To: Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 11:41 AM Subject: new to list - C. Newman & Janet Smith > hi, > i'm new to the list, and a new wire 'fan' if you could call me that since > i've only heard one song: 'reuters'.(i'm from california, u.s.a. by the > way.) i have a couple questions if anyone would like to respond, > 1-for a first wire album, which would you recommend? i was thinking Pink > flag for starters.. > 2-does anyone know anymore information about the album by C. Newman & Janet > Smith? i read that C.=Chris (at the bottom of > http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~qwerty/wire/images.html), but i'm still > interested in knowing more and hearing this album, but can't find ANY info > on it. i've only found one thing about it, and i think it's wrong, because > it says colin did make it (at > http://perso.club-internet.fr/lefada/neverenough/english/Galerie24.html) > > my favorite color is clear, what's yours? > *Mary* > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:47:16 -0800 (PST) From: BillyD Subject: Zone Commercial Zone IS FAR superior to the Lydon version. It seems as if there is an actual soul to the recordings + some fantastic bass & guitar work from KL. I would be happy to offer up a cassette to anyone! Cheers, Billy - --- tube disaster wrote: > > - > >>But what's COMMERCIAL ZONE? The only PIL albums I > was aware > of involving Levene are PUBLIC IMAGE aka FIRST > EDITION, > METAL BOX aka SECOND EDITION, PARIS AU PRINTEMPS, > and > FLOWERS OF ROMANCE. Did one slip my notice, or is it > a later > post-Levene effort?<< > > I don't own & haven't heard the record, but the > Trouser Press Guide > describes it as "an abandoned version of This is > What You Want issued by (& > featuring, as the one on Elektra does not) founding > guitarist Keith Levene, > who left PiL during the album's production." Sounds > good to me. > > Dan > > ===== . ./\/\/\. [ . . ] /\ -- -Get Well Sammy! (R)SOT Ltd. http://depechemode.acmecity.com/freestate/54 http://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:04:33 -0700 From: "marlon" Subject: Re: Zone yes "commercial zone" is much better than what ended up being released as "this is what you want, this is what you get" it always seemded to me that after levine left, lydon got bored with pil in general. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "BillyD" To: Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 1:47 PM Subject: Zone > Commercial Zone IS FAR superior to the Lydon version. > It seems as if there is an actual soul to the > recordings + some fantastic bass & guitar work from KL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:28:47 -0600 (CST) From: flaherty michael w Subject: Tickets; PIL Just received a couple of tickets that say Wire on them. It feels very cool indeed. I got ticket #s 18 and 19. I hope they sell a few more: when John Lydon was going to be at the Metro I got ticket #s 1 and 2 ... it was cancelled. Speaking of John .... I agree w/ the comments expressed about Commercial Zone. Any PIL fan who doesn't have this album should find a copy. As for Keith: yep, drugs. Very unfortunate. His solo album (they use to have it at musikweb.com ... don't know if they still do) is worth while too, I think. One more Metro note: Greg Kot put the show on his list of Important Spring Events (or something like that) in the Trib. He's a pretty big fan (when discussing 70 punk bands he always lists them along with the Pistols, Clash etc.). Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 23:23:52 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew N Westmeyer Subject: Re: new to list - C. Newman & Janet Smith Ah, here's a question that intrigued me for a while! "C Newman and Janet Smith" is an album by Chris Newman, not our beloved Colin. Contrary to what that French web page says, I am quite positive that it is not our Colin. For one thing, he told me so! About 2 years ago I found the album in some "used vinyl rarities" dealer. It's got kind of a jazz feel to it. Since it was already open, I made a copy of it and then sent to original to Colin. I also scanned the cover and put it on the web page. Shortly thereafter in a bootleg trade I acquired a live Chris Newman performance, bringing my C Newman collection up to 2. If anyone's interested, I'd gladly make copies. It's not a bad album, but it's definitely a very different sort of music than Wire. (A)ndrew Westmeyer qwerty@cmu.edu www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~qwerty "They ask me if I feel remorse and I answer why of course, there's so much more I could've done if they'd let me" -NC ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 22:23:24 -0800 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: Tickets; PIL >Just received a couple of tickets that say Wire on them. It feels very >cool indeed. I got ticket #s 18 and 19. I hope they sell a few more: >when John Lydon was going to be at the Metro I got ticket #s 1 and 2 ... >it was cancelled. Only time I was ever at the Metro (or for that matter in Chicago) was for the Buzzcocks last November -- not nearly as large as I would've thought. If Wire can't sell it out, this country should be ... well, if not destroyed, at least scolded severely. Just wish the show (or *any* of the shows on the tour) was feasible for me. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 23:11:56 -0500 From: geoffry Subject: Re: Keith Levene a few memories RE Levene, I know that one of the more notorious moments of Don Letts' punk movie had footage of Levene shooting up in a bathroom stall. This must have been around the time he got booted out of the Clash.... "arthritic schizophrenic using a starter set of acrylics"?? i'll have to remember that one... g. paul.rabjohn@ssab.com wrote: > Dear Paul, > > Keith Levene was, as you surmise, indeed a drug addict - and perhaps still is. (Heroin.) After leaving PIL, he made only one album that I know of, called VIOLENT OPPOSITION. It was released in 1989 on a small ?Dutch label and later picked up by Rykodisc, from whom it is still available at mid-price. It has a painted portrait of Keith Levene on the cover which looks like it was executed by an arthritic schizophrenic using a starter set of acrylics. Musically it's a very mixed bag, obviously very quickly and cheaply recorded - a few reggae tracks, a few drumbox & feedback guitar workouts, appalling cover versions of John Lennon's 'Cold Turkey' and Hendrix's 'If Six Was Nine'. Only a very desperate journalist would think of lauding it as a 'great lost classic', though it's not without its moments. > >>>>>> i have actually heard this , i thought it was dreadful and i was really let down by it. kl also did the "beef" single with gary clail and played a gig with him in london , but that was the last i heard , maybe 1990. i think the heroin was always his downfall. > But what's COMMERCIAL ZONE? The only PIL albums I was aware of involving Levene are PUBLIC IMAGE aka FIRST EDITION, METAL BOX aka SECOND EDITION, PARIS AU PRINTEMPS, and FLOWERS OF ROMANCE. Did one slip my notice, or is it a later post-Levene effort? > >>>>> CZ was a semi-official lp released at the time of "this is what you see....". apparrently levine/lydon recorded CZ then fell out , lydon went and re-recorded it with his LA session-muso band. so kl released the original version himself to show people what they were missing. its a lot better than tiwys (not difficult.....). you do see it occasionally , it doesn't sell for megabucks (£10?)p ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 21:04:20 -0800 From: Brian Subject: Re: please forgive me if this is an old topic --WIRE in SF Anjali Altman wrote: > Just because the show is posted on our website does not mean it that it is > on sale yet- we just want you to know what's coming. If you see it in an ad > in the paper, it is on sale. Generally shows go on sale until the Sunday > four weeks prior to the event. So, we can assume Wire will go on sale > Sunday, 4/9. Thank you. > > Anjali Altman > Publicity > ******************************************************* > The Oldest and Grandest - The Great American Music Hall > 859 O'Farrell Street, San Francisco, CA 94109 > Ph: 415/202-9814 X823 Fax: 415/885-5452 > anjali@gamh.com > http://www.musichallsf.com > > ---------- > >From: Brian > >To: pr@gamh.com > >Subject: Re: Wire Tickets > >Date: Wed, Mar 15, 2000, 8:07 AM > > > > > So the web site says they are on sale, I go to the box office and the > > clerk will not sell them to me. Who screwed up ? > > > > marlon stpeters wrote: > > I'm going to catch WIRE in San Francisco , > > I see that their are two dates : Great > > American on 5/2 and the Filmore on 5/3, I > > have never been to either venue and was > > wondering what would be the best one to > > see? > > of the 2 choices, go to the great american, its lower polk street(outskirts > of tenderloin are) and its an okay area compared to the filmore. saw the sex > pistols at the filmore late 70s and it was scary then, its way scary now. > looked on ticketmaster for tickets tonight and they have wire listed as > "heavy metal", thats a good one. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 22:59:07 -0800 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: Keith Levene >> a few memories RE Levene, I know that one of the more notorious moments of Don Letts' punk movie had footage of Levene shooting up in a bathroom stall. This must have been around the time he got booted out of the Clash.... << One of those guys was *Keith*? I had no idea: I guess I was too busy wincing to pay attention to their faces (I can watch slasher movies without batting an eye all day long, but one shot in a TV advert of a doctor administering a shot makes me cringe ... too close to reality, I suppose) ... So Levene recorded with Gary Clail? Don't suppose he'll show up on the Intertia tour with the latter, on the extremely off chance it actually happens. Dan >>"arthritic schizophrenic using a starter set of acrylics"?? i'll have to remember that one... g. paul.rabjohn@ssab.com wrote: > Dear Paul, > > Keith Levene was, as you surmise, indeed a drug addict - and perhaps still is. (Heroin.) After leaving PIL, he made only one album that I know of, called VIOLENT OPPOSITION. It was released in 1989 on a small ?Dutch label and later picked up by Rykodisc, from whom it is still available at mid-price. It has a painted portrait of Keith Levene on the cover which looks like it was executed by an arthritic schizophrenic using a starter set of acrylics. Musically it's a very mixed bag, obviously very quickly and cheaply recorded - a few reggae tracks, a few drumbox & feedback guitar workouts, appalling cover versions of John Lennon's 'Cold Turkey' and Hendrix's 'If Six Was Nine'. Only a very desperate journalist would think of lauding it as a 'great lost classic', though it's not without its moments. > >>>>>> i have actually heard this , i thought it was dreadful and i was really let down by it. kl also did the "beef" single with gary clail and played a gig with him in london , but that was the last i heard , maybe 1990. i think the heroin was always his downfall. > But what's COMMERCIAL ZONE? The only PIL albums I was aware of involving Levene are PUBLIC IMAGE aka FIRST EDITION, METAL BOX aka SECOND EDITION, PARIS AU PRINTEMPS, and FLOWERS OF ROMANCE. Did one slip my notice, or is it a later post-Levene effort? > >>>>> CZ was a semi-official lp released at the time of "this is what you see....". apparrently levine/lydon recorded CZ then fell out , lydon went and re-recorded it with his LA session-muso band. so kl released the original version himself to show people what they were missing. its a lot better than tiwys (not difficult.....). you do see it occasionally , it doesn't sell for megabucks (£10?)p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 03:25:53 EST From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: French speaking lands Dan, must publicly agree with you regarding Metal Urbain.Excellent band.:Paris Maquais" is one of my favourite singles of the 70,s.Not heard of the other band you mentioned though. cheers Chriswire ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 03:35:27 EST From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: Yankee bashing Mark, you forget those stalwarts The Royle Brothers,Steve Logan & Kendo Nagasaki to name but a few (a few too many methinks).Christ those were the days 4pm Saturday afternoon -World of Sport,my Dad laughing hysterically at Mick Macmanus & Jackie Pallo! Cheers nostalgically Chriswire ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 02:34:07 -0800 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: French speaking lands >Dan, > must publicly agree with you regarding Metal Urbain.Excellent >band.:Paris Maquais" is one of my favourite singles of the 70,s.Not heard of >the other band you mentioned though. > cheers Chriswire > Dr Mix & the Remix, you mean? I *think* they were basically Metal Urban in cover-band form -- the LP I've got, Wall of Noise (an early Rough Trade release), consists of nicely noisy, brutal covers of things like Sister Ray, No Fun, I Can't Control Myself (just heard the Buzzcocks' version on the Mute reissue of Time's Up, by coincidence) & Out of the Question. And then there's the Metal Boys, who I believe were also sort of a Metal Urbain alter ego. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 9:50:17 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: Keith Levene ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Keith Levene Author: MIME:geoffry@iname.com at INTERNET Date: 21/03/2000 05:34 a few memories RE Levene, I know that one of the more notorious moments of Don Letts' punk movie had footage of Levene shooting up in a bathroom stall. This must have been around the time he got booted out of the Clash.... >>>>>> i've got the reissued video , they cut that scene out so i've never seen it. i think he got kicked out of the clash for reasons not entirely unrelated to this.p ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #71 ******************************