From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #68 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, March 18 2000 Volume 03 : Number 068 Today's Subjects: ----------------- plastic punks and no inertia..... [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re: plastic punks and no inertia..... [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: 9:30 Club [Rob Gronotte ] Re[2]: plastic punks and no inertia..... [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] 9:30 Club again ["D.T. Viecelli" ] Re: plastic punks and no inertia..... [Mark Short ] Re[2]: plastic punks and no inertia..... [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re: Belgian-bashing ["Michel Faber" ] Re: Belgian bashing... ["Michel Faber" ] Miserable fat Belgian bastards [BillyD ] Re: Re[2]: Belgian-bashing-overpriced vinyl [BillyD ] Re: plastic punks and no inertia..... [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Re[2]: Belgian-bashing-overpriced vinyl ["tube disaster" ] Re: Belgian-bashing [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Wire-related stuff for sale ["Minya's a monster..." ] Re: French speaking lands ["tube disaster" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 10:55:15 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: plastic punks and no inertia..... for all you lovers of old punk stuff in need of a good laugh i must recommend you tune into totp2 this saturday afternoon , they are showing plastic bertrand doing ca plane pour moi. i'd forgotten quite how bad this guy was , its worth a look (same show also has nirvana doing "teen spirit" btw) this inertia tour looks good. needless to say i guess it will be us only , just like the colin/malka tour. plus wire do a full-scale tour there whereas here its just one-offs. is this just an economics thing or could there be a preference for the way they're recieved over there? still , it could be worse ; i could live in mainland europe...... p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 06:57:05 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: plastic punks and no inertia..... Paul, << for all you lovers of old punk stuff in need of a good laugh i must recommend you tune into totp2 this saturday afternoon , they are showing plastic bertrand doing ca plane pour moi. i'd forgotten quite how bad this guy was , its worth a look (same show also has nirvana doing "teen spirit" btw) >> Ah! one of the ten famous Belgians! (can you think of another nine???....) He's still going too....silver-haired, in his lame jacket, still crooning ca Plane pour Moi..... Desperate... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 07:07:07 -0500 (EST) From: Rob Gronotte Subject: Re: 9:30 Club > I haven't been there since 1988 or 1989, but the place > is a dive. Sure, it has great shows, and the alluring > aroma of stale lager and cigarettes... > Hope everyone has a great time! > If you get backstage be sure to look for my name > written somewhere on the wall. Dude, this is a different place, they moved to a larger and much nicer building 4 years ag! Rob Why don't you come up and surf me sometime? --> http://www.patriot.net/users/rob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 13:10:57 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: plastic punks and no inertia..... Ah! one of the ten famous Belgians! (can you think of another nine???....) He's still going too....silver-haired, in his lame jacket, still crooning ca Plane pour Moi..... Desperate... Mark >>>> yep , he was on that show with antoine de caunes doing a sort of cabaret version maybe 6 months ago. he's actually made a 25 yr career out of one crap song , its so sad its untrue. what is it about belgian/french music ; its incredible how little decent ever comes out of those countries. i was sitting in a french hotel watching a sort of mtv channel last year and you've still got all these mulletted guitar bands looking like the pretenders circa 1983. and also i got hold of a cdr of the alain bashung album last week , now i know why that album is so rarely seen over here.... p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 07:49:24 -0600 From: "D.T. Viecelli" Subject: 9:30 Club again Uh, Billy D, If you haven't been to the 9:30 Club since 1988 or 1989, you are obviously unaware that the original room on F Street was closed several years ago with the club moving into a multi-million dollar renovation of the old WUST Radio Music Hall on V Street. My description of the new room stands. ***************************************************** David T. Viecelli / Boche Billions President THE BILLIONS CORPORATION 833 W. Chicago Ave., ste. 101 Chicago, IL 60622-5497 tel: 312-997-9999 fax: 312-997-2287 web: http://www.billions.com and introducing: BILLIONS AUSTRALIA Adelaide Brisbane Chicago Melbourne Perth Sydney Ask me about it! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 14:39:49 +0000 From: Mark Short Subject: Re: plastic punks and no inertia..... paul.rabjohn@ssab.com wrote: > > Ah! one of the ten famous Belgians! (can you think of another nine???....) > > He's still going too....silver-haired, in his lame jacket, still crooning ca Plane pour Moi..... > > Desperate... > > Mark > >>>> yep , he was on that show with antoine de caunes doing a sort of cabaret version maybe 6 months ago. he's actually made a 25 yr career out of one crap song , its so sad its untrue. > > what is it about belgian/french music ; its incredible how little decent ever comes out of those countries. i was sitting in a french hotel watching a sort of mtv channel last year and you've still got all these mulletted guitar bands looking like the pretenders circa 1983. and also i got hold of a cdr of the alain bashung album last week , now i know why that album is so rarely seen over here.... p There must be at least nine Belgian sidemen/women on Colin's "It Seems". ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:00:11 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: plastic punks and no inertia..... There must be at least nine Belgian sidemen/women on Colin's "It Seems". >>>> mm , true. and minimal compact were sort of "naturalised belgians". i saw at least one article calling samy belgian , and he sure never mustered a mullet. however , every time i watch the tv in that part of the world i generally see something musically horrendous. i know wire have played a fair bit in holland/germany , wonder if they're at all big in latin europe? no tour plans probably says something......p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 15:31:18 -0000 From: "Michel Faber" Subject: Re: Belgian-bashing >Ah! (Plastic Bertrand) one of the ten famous Belgians! (can you >think of another nine???....) >He's still going too....silver-haired, in his lame jacket, still crooning >ca Plane pour Moi..... >Desperate... (Mark Bursa) ____________________________________________ >what is it about belgian/french music ; its incredible how little >decent ever comes out of those countries. (Paul) ____________________________________________ Come on guys, give the Belgians/French a break. For a start, it would be appropriate if fans of Wire, that most coolly surreal and oblique of groups, noted the existence of Rene Magritte. This Belgian surrealist, as well as being undeniably world-famous, also just happens to be the specific inspiration for Wire's A Bell Is A Cup album cover. As far as French/Belgian music goes, yes, there's slim pickings, but among those pickings are some extraordinary things. I was often struck, throughout the eighties and early nineties, by how Belgian labels like Les Disques Du Crepuscule/Crammed Discs/Made To Measure seemed incapable of putting out a bad album. OK, some of the artists weren't Belgian (eg, Virginia Astley, Tuxedomoon, Colin Newman) but even in those cases there was often collaboration with Belgian players (check Colin's Commercial Suicide - a veritable roll call of Belgian musicians!) Anyway, if you want to be totally hard-line and say that only "ethnically pure" French or Belgian line-ups qualify to defend their countries, how about Magma? Univers Zero? Hector Zazou? Benjamin Lew? Heldon? Aksak Maboul? Minimal Compact? Hardly household names, I know, but neither are He Said, P'o, Duet Emmo, Immersion... It's possible that the ratio of good records to bad in Belgium is the same as the ratio of good records to bad in the USA - it's just that with a huge difference in populations, the final number will be smaller. Just think how much we'd all be yearning to wipe the USA off the face of the earth if, instead of being allowed to cherry-pick its best music - Captain Beefheart, Zappa, Pere Ubu etc - we had to listen to all the THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of utterly dreadful soft-rock and heavy metal and country-pop albums that get released week after week, year after year. Remember, for every malodorous Bon Jovi and Shania Twain album there's five hundred even more stinky albums by people who WANNABE Bon Jovi and Shania Twain... As for getting stuck into Plastic Bertrand being 'desperate' because he's still performing his late seventies material at his advanced age, how would you respond if Plastic Bertrand retorted that Wire must be desperate, to be performing an equally retro set at THEIR advanced age? Certainly nothing Plastic Bertrand does in his lame jacket could be as naff as Michael Clark's dancers flopping all over the stage at the RFH! Best wishes, Michel Faber PS: Plastic Bertrand is, in my opinion, the exact equivalent of our own Jilted John. Same joke, same strike rate of one good novelty punk record, same dubious attempt to make a long career out of it. And while nothing Gordon Fellowes did after the first Jilted John album has been of any interest whatsoever (Shuttleworth, pack it in!) Plastic Bertrand at least did one more good record in the eighties somewhere, a shimmery synth-disco glam classic called Tout Petite La Planete - Kraftwerk meets Roxy Music meets Georgio Moroder... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 15:35:36 -0000 From: "Michel Faber" Subject: Re: Belgian bashing... >Ah! (Plastic Bertrand) one of the ten famous Belgians! (can you >think of another nine???....) >He's still going too....silver-haired, in his lame jacket, still crooning >ca Plane pour Moi..... >Desperate... (Mark Bursa) ____________________________________________ >what is it about belgian/french music ; its incredible how little >decent ever comes out of those countries. (Paul) ____________________________________________ Come on guys, give the Belgians/French a break. For a start, it would be appropriate if fans of Wire, that most coolly surreal and oblique of groups, noted the existence of Rene Magritte. This Belgian surrealist, as well as being undeniably world-famous, also just happens to be the specific inspiration for Wire's A Bell Is A Cup album cover. As far as French/Belgian music goes, yes, there's slim pickings, but among those pickings are some extraordinary things. I was often struck, throughout the eighties and early nineties, by how Belgian labels like Les Disques Du Crepuscule/Crammed Discs/Made To Measure seemed incapable of putting out a bad album. OK, some of the artists weren't Belgian (eg, Virginia Astley, Tuxedomoon, Colin Newman) but even in those cases there was often collaboration with Belgian players (check Colin's Commercial Suicide - a veritable roll call of Belgian musicians!) Anyway, if you want to be totally hard-line and say that only "ethnically pure" French or Belgian line-ups qualify to defend their countries, how about Magma? Univers Zero? Hector Zazou? Benjamin Lew? Heldon? Aksak Maboul? Minimal Compact? Hardly household names, I know, but neither are He Said, P'o, Duet Emmo, Immersion... It's possible that the ratio of good records to bad in Belgium is the same as the ratio of good records to bad in the USA - it's just that with a huge difference in populations, the final number will be smaller. Just think how much we'd all be yearning to wipe the USA off the face of the earth if, instead of being allowed to cherry-pick its best music - Captain Beefheart, Zappa, Pere Ubu etc - we had to listen to all the THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of utterly dreadful soft-rock and heavy metal and country-pop albums that get released week after week, year after year. Remember, for every malodorous Bon Jovi and Shania Twain album there's five hundred even more stinky albums by people who WANNABE Bon Jovi and Shania Twain... As for getting stuck into Plastic Bertrand being 'desperate' because he's still performing his late seventies material at his advanced age, how would you respond if Plastic Bertrand retorted that Wire must be desperate, to be performing an equally retro set at THEIR advanced age? Certainly nothing Plastic Bertrand does in his lame jacket could be as naff as Michael Clark's dancers flopping all over the stage at the RFH! Best wishes, Michel Faber PS: Plastic Bertrand is, in my opinion, the exact equivalent of our own Jilted John. Same joke, same strike rate of one good novelty punk record, same dubious attempt to make a long career out of it. And while nothing Gordon Fellowes did after the first Jilted John album has been of any interest whatsoever (Shuttleworth, pack it in!) Plastic Bertrand at least did one more good record in the eighties somewhere, a shimmery synth-disco glam classic called Tout Petite La Planete - Kraftwerk meets Roxy Music meets Georgio Moroder... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 09:40:59 -0800 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: plastic punks and no inertia..... >paul.rabjohn@ssab.com wrote: >> >> Ah! one of the ten famous Belgians! (can you think of another nine???....) >> >> He's still going too....silver-haired, in his lame jacket, still crooning ca Plane pour Moi..... >> >> Desperate... >> >> Mark >> >>>> yep , he was on that show with antoine de caunes doing a sort of cabaret version maybe 6 months ago. he's actually made a 25 yr career out of one crap song , its so sad its untrue. I might have known ... Nah -- great song (though the only version I've listened to lately is Sonic Youth's). Then again, I probably ought to pray for this sort of musical misanthropy to prove contagious, as I've at least a couple of thousand records & CDs too many. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 09:44:37 -0800 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: plastic punks and no inertia..... > >this inertia tour looks good. Of course, it proved to basically be a hoax back in the fall of '98 & then spring of '99. >needless to say i guess it will be us only , just like the colin/malka tour. plus wire do a >full-scale tour there whereas here its just one-offs. is this just an economics thing or >could there be a preference for the way they're recieved over there? Judging from the dire US sales figures I've seen cited on this list in the past (anybody remember specifics? they were pretty shuddersome), you'd think they'd confine their tour to my living room. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 17:05:19 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: Belgian-bashing As far as French/Belgian music goes, yes, there's slim pickings, but among those pickings are some extraordinary things. I was often struck, throughout the eighties and early nineties, by how Belgian labels like Les Disques Du Crepuscule/Crammed Discs/Made To Measure seemed incapable of putting out a bad album. OK, some of the artists weren't Belgian (eg, Virginia Astley, Tuxedomoon, Colin Newman) but even in those cases there was often collaboration with Belgian players (check Colin's Commercial Suicide - a veritable roll call of Belgian musicians!) >>>>> i think the comments made were a bit tongue in cheek , but the problem is that those labels never managed to market those acts properly outside their home territory and some great albums hardly sold at all. Anyway, if you want to be totally hard-line and say that only "ethnically pure" French or Belgian line-ups qualify to defend their countries, how about Magma? Univers Zero? Hector Zazou? Benjamin Lew? Heldon? Aksak Maboul? Minimal Compact? Hardly household names, I know, but neither are He Said, P'o, Duet Emmo, Immersion... >>>>> well i'm not totally familiar with all those acts but minimal compact weren't belgian and i'd take a guess aksak maboul probably doesn't come from ostend.... i was more trying to make an abstract point that some really big countries seem to produce very little music that travels abroad whereas others make so much. and god i would never go on about anyone being ethnically pure in respect to anything , please allow me to slag plastic bertrand without getting into that sort of territory. It's possible that the ratio of good records to bad in Belgium is the same as the ratio of good records to bad in the USA - it's just that with a huge difference in populations, the final number will be smaller. Just think how much we'd all be yearning to wipe the USA off the face of the earth if, instead of being allowed to cherry-pick its best music - Captain Beefheart, Zappa, Pere Ubu etc - we had to listen to all the THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of utterly dreadful soft-rock and heavy metal and country-pop albums that get released week after week, year after year. Remember, for every malodorous Bon Jovi and Shania Twain album there's five hundred even more stinky albums by people who WANNABE Bon Jovi and Shania Twain... >>>>> or if you're in the uk , travis and the stereophonics As for getting stuck into Plastic Bertrand being 'desperate' because he's still performing his late seventies material at his advanced age, how would you respond if Plastic Bertrand retorted that Wire must be desperate, to be performing an equally retro set at THEIR advanced age? Certainly nothing Plastic Bertrand does in his lame jacket could be as naff as Michael Clark's dancers flopping all over the stage at the RFH! >>>>>> er , i think wire deserve the right to do this due to what they've done in the 78-99 period. a slightly more worthy body of work than pb , although i may be shot down in flames for that assertion. Best wishes, Michel Faber PS: Plastic Bertrand is, in my opinion, the exact equivalent of our own Jilted John. >>>>>> that's about the size of it , but jj gave it up pretty quick when the joke wore thin(ner). maybe john shuttleworth could try that kraftwerk/moroder thing? keep smiling :-) p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 10:22:10 -0800 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: Re[2]: Belgian-bashing > >PS: Plastic Bertrand is, in my opinion, the exact equivalent of our own Jilted John. For whose album I, of course, a couple of years ago paid more than I ever have for any other piece of vinyl after getting tired of searching fruitlessly for it for going on 2 decades. *sigh* I'm hopeless. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 10:24:31 -0800 (PST) From: BillyD Subject: Miserable fat Belgian bastards I preferred Elton Motello's 'Jet Boy Jet Girl' for the laugh value... This 'new' French music thing is a hot topic on other lists. I think it's crap! But, I guess youngsters will listen to what is spoon fed them... Weren't Telex from Belgium? I once owned some of their lps... Cheers, Billy - --- paul.rabjohn@ssab.com wrote: > > Ah! one of the ten famous Belgians! (can you think > of another nine???....) > > He's still going too....silver-haired, in his lame > jacket, still crooning ca Plane pour Moi..... > > Desperate... > > Mark > >>>> yep , he was on that show with antoine de > caunes doing a sort of cabaret version maybe 6 > months ago. he's actually made a 25 yr career out of > one crap song , its so sad its untrue. > ===== . ./\/\/\. [ . . ] /\ -- -Get Well Sammy! (R)SOT Ltd. http://depechemode.acmecity.com/freestate/54 http://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 10:30:56 -0800 (PST) From: BillyD Subject: Re: Re[2]: Belgian-bashing-overpriced vinyl I just paid $25 for a mint copy of PIL's 'Commercial Zone'. Well worth every penny, although my wife would disagree... - --- tube disaster wrote: > > > > > >PS: Plastic Bertrand is, in my opinion, the exact > equivalent of our own > Jilted John. > > For whose album I, of course, a couple of years ago > paid more than I ever > have for any other piece of vinyl after getting > tired of searching > fruitlessly for it for going on 2 decades. *sigh* > I'm hopeless. > > Dan > > > > ===== . ./\/\/\. [ . . ] /\ -- -Get Well Sammy! (R)SOT Ltd. http://depechemode.acmecity.com/freestate/54 http://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 14:14:10 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: plastic punks and no inertia..... On Fri, 17 Mar 2000, Mark Short wrote: > paul.rabjohn@ssab.com wrote: > > > > Ah! one of the ten famous Belgians! (can you think of another nine???....) Does Hercule Poirot count? > There must be at least nine Belgian sidemen/women on Colin's "It Seems". Including the best-named musician ever: Rino Christ! (second place: American session guitarist Gurf Morlix, apparently named on the same planet on which "Ford Prefect" was assumed to be a typical British male name...) - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/reviews.html ::When the only tool you have is an interociter, you tend to treat ::everything as if it were a fourth-order nanodimensional sub-quantum ::temporo-spatial anomaly. __Crow T. Maslow__ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:37:31 EST From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: Miserable fat Belgian bastards Billy, Re: TELEX That got me hunting in my collection & sure enough an album from 1979 I had not played since ...1979." Looking for Saint Tropez". They were indeed Belgian. By the way if you have a vinyl copy of Colin,s "Commercial Suicide" the inside photos of the Belgian orchestra section is a real hoot.Check out Rino Christ & Wiet Van De Leest.Better still look at my passport photo! Regards Chriswire. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 13:47:49 PST From: "Mats Hammerman" Subject: Re: Miserable fat Belgian bastards Telex were from Belgium. I have one early single. But you forget one nice begian band - T C Matic - a bit like Jacque Brel meets Gang of Four on amphetamine. Great liveband. Some OK album as well. When it comes to France, its long between the gems but Marquise de Sade (the band), Asphalt Jungle/Boys, Stinky Toys made it to my collection in late 70/early 80-ies. If we get to the 90-ies you cant forget Les Negress Vertes and the best of them all - Mano Negra. Totally fantastic live band ! What energy! Saw them on one gig at a festival when the electricity was gone for half an hour in the middle of their set and they manage to steam up the crowd even more by stagediving, drumming and doing everthing you possibly could do with out electricity. Its The Clash done the latino way, sort of.. Mats, the swede >Weren't Telex from Belgium? I once owned some of their >lps... > >Cheers, >Billy > >--- paul.rabjohn@ssab.com wrote: > > > > Ah! one of the ten famous Belgians! (can you think > > of another nine???....) > > > > He's still going too....silver-haired, in his lame > > jacket, still crooning ca Plane pour Moi..... > > > > Desperate... > > > > Mark > > >>>> yep , he was on that show with antoine de > > caunes doing a sort of cabaret version maybe 6 > > months ago. he's actually made a 25 yr career out of > > one crap song , its so sad its untrue. > > > > >===== >. ./\/\/\. > [ . . ] > /\ > -- -Get Well Sammy! (R)SOT Ltd. >http://depechemode.acmecity.com/freestate/54 >http://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:19:02 -0600 From: "MackDaddyD" Subject: Re: French speaking lands have to throw in a plug for Mathematiques Modernes (Disco Rough) and Lizzy Mercier Descloux http://www.geocities.com/dmack2002/LizzyMercierDescloux.html as well as (to a lesser degree) Les Ritas Mitsouko (whose Marcia Baila fueled as many moments on the dance floor as Uncertain Smile for a certain age) and where would tom miller have found a more romantic sounding surname , if nor for verlaine and where would patti smith have found inspiration if not for rimbaud we NEED the french, even if we have to put up with vanessa paradis (does anyone remember jacno? ;) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:20:06 -0800 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: Re[2]: Belgian-bashing-overpriced vinyl Whereas I just sent off $24 (including $4 for shipping ... not sure I should count that) for a Screamers bootleg LP after losing an eBay auction but being advised that the owner had extras & would honor my bid. (I already owned the 3 bootleg 7"s & recently ascertained that the 25 minutes on cassette I've had for about 15 years, labeled "Masque, LA 1977," is almost certainly actually from the '78 benefit *for* [not *at*] the Masque, so combined with the Target Video, I guess I'm trying to build up as complete a Screamers library as I can ... surely a less debatable subject that Ca Plane Pour Moi's excellence or lack thereof.) Maybe I should've just thrown another $11 in so I would no longer have to admit that I paid $30 for the Jilted John ... Then again, the biannual traveling record show is coming here next Sunday -- I'll just give $5.01 to the guy from whom I bought the Dicks/Big Boys Live at Raul's LP a few years ago. I think I may've paid $25 the last time around, too, for the Sisterhood's Gift. Paul Rabjohn informs me that the Jilted John has come out on CD recently. Well, of *course* ... I like to think that I ensured that by shelling out the ridiculous price quoted above. When the now-inevitable Screamers legit CD comes out in a few weeks, everybody remember to thank me. Dan >I just paid $25 for a mint copy of PIL's 'Commercial >Zone'. Well worth every penny, although my wife would >disagree... > >--- tube disaster wrote: >> >> >> > >> >PS: Plastic Bertrand is, in my opinion, the exact >> equivalent of our own >> Jilted John. >> >> For whose album I, of course, a couple of years ago >> paid more than I ever >> have for any other piece of vinyl after getting >> tired of searching >> fruitlessly for it for going on 2 decades. *sigh* >> I'm hopeless. >> >> Dan >> >> >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:36:24 -0600 From: george.m.hook@ac.com Subject: The Belgium Problem I lived in Brussels, Belgium for five years. The first two years were a bit strange (I was transferred from Naperville, Illinois--the Bolton of Chicago), but I quickly adjusted and had a great time. This was in the mid-1980s, when Front 242, the Neon Judgement etc. were at their career peak. It was also during the Belgian New Beat era: it had a good beat, it was easy to dance to. I know the UK never took much to this music, but Front 242 etc. had this pipeline to Chicago via Wax Trax Records--which was a pretty strange cultural mutation. Thing about Belgium was that it was at the crossroads of Europe, so you had access to almost every cable television station in Western Europe. BBC 1, BBC 2, France 2, Italian and German stations, etc. American television is total garbage compared to some of the programming I saw on those stations (Harold Pinter himself in "The Homecoming," serious documentaries about R. Crumb; David Lynch hosting a festival of vintage surrealist film; Les Enfants du Rock: the Serge Gainsbourg years) etc. It was strange, it was not to all tastes, but it was original and it was fun. And, for a movie fan, Brussels had some great theaters. Also, a classic film museum. So, relax. Have a waffle. Dig into some moules et frites. Ca Plane Pour Moi. George ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 18:10:03 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Belgian-bashing On Fri, 17 Mar 2000, Michel Faber wrote: > smaller. Just think how much we'd all be yearning to wipe the USA > off the face of the earth if, instead of being allowed to cherry-pick its > best music - Captain Beefheart, Zappa, Pere Ubu etc - we had to > listen to all the THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of utterly dreadful > soft-rock and heavy metal and country-pop albums that get released > week after week, year after year. Remember, for every malodorous > Bon Jovi and Shania Twain album there's five hundred even more > stinky albums by people who WANNABE Bon Jovi and Shania > Twain... I believe we can blame Canada for Shania Twain. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/reviews.html ::Time provides the rope, but love will tie the slipknot, ::and I will be the chair you kick away. __Stephin Merritt__ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 23:33:52 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: Belgian-bashing hi all, trying to occupy myself til may 15th... re: bad in the USA >Remember, for every malodorous >> Bon Jovi and Shania Twain album there's five hundred even more >> stinky albums by people who WANNABE Bon Jovi and Shania >> Twain... >I believe we can blame Canada for Shania Twain. and bon jovi isn't really from the usa either...he's from new jersey :oP so anyway, were the names from belgium? now there's one great band to make up for all the crap! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 23:57:47 -0500 (EST) From: "Minya's a monster..." Subject: Wire-related stuff for sale Greetings all! I'm clearing out CDs and have 3 which may be of interest to some on this list: Edvard Graham Lewis: Pre>He $4.00 Lewis/Gilbert & Mills: Pacific/Specific in a different place $4.00 P'o: While Climbing Thieves Vie for Attention $4.00 All are in mint condition. Please email me off list if interested. I am also selling 2 CDs on the Thousand (a division of WMO) label: Knots and OST. $4.00 each. Thanks! Eric ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 00:23:08 -0500 From: Carl Archer Subject: Re: Belgian-bashing Eardrumbuz@aol.com said: > > and bon jovi isn't really from the usa either...he's from new jersey :oP Why do people always have to mock New Jersey? I've lived there my whole life...and nowhere near the pollution-infested airport, thank you. It's a much more interesting place than many of the other parts of the country. (I won't name the parts that I don't like nor will I mention the states where all the women tend to be ugly and everybody is obsessed with wrestling) I have a question for the Brits on this list: Is The Wonder Stuff's "Eight-Legged Groove Machine" still in print over there? I'm still having difficulty coming to terms with it being out of print in the States and I'm tired of getting beat out on eBay. If I'm gonna have to shell out $35 I might as well take the flight to the UK and pick it up. I'm having trouble finding "Chairs Missing" locally as well. Is that CD still in print in the US? Carl notcarl@home.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 23:58:42 -0800 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: French speaking lands Has anybody spoken up for Dr Mix & the Remix or Metal Urbain? >as well as (to a lesser degree) Les Ritas Mitsouko (whose Marcia Baila >fueled as many moments on the dance floor as Uncertain Smile for a certain >age) Was looking for my cassette of their first album just a few days ago after digging up & dubbing the great video of C'est Comme-Ca for somebody. Dan ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #68 ******************************