From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #64 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, March 14 2000 Volume 03 : Number 064 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: NME review [Ian Grant ] Re[2]: NME review [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] "The Wire" [Mark Short ] Re: "The Wire" ["MackDaddyD" ] Re: "The Wire" [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re: "The Wire" [Alan_Platten@ipc.co.uk] magazine [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re: Chicago [george.m.hook@ac.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 10:06:20 +0000 From: Ian Grant Subject: Re: NME review At 04:30 13/03/00 -0500, Michel wrote: >Travis and whoever else wants to be this year's Ride. As Ian Grant's >email affirms, there will always be people who want nothing from the >music press except to be whipped up into a state of excitement by >the latest craze, or to see their most hated band slagged off with the >maximum number of swear words :) My previous mail probably paints a slightly untrue picture, in that I do demand that a certain amount of intelligence is brought to bear as part of the critical process. But I don't necessarily feel that intelligence excludes the possibility of being excited, subjective and just plain wrong when discussing pop music. Love is blind, and all that. >but that should only be one level >at which music is discussed. That's the point, I guess. My vigorous defence of NME is based on the fact that it satisfies my requirements. Clearly, I'm not suggesting that there shouldn't be alternatives. > The Cranberries have had >several hit singles in the USA and the brutal truth is that once you've >had big hits in the monolithic music market that is America, those >songs will live a very long time. Depress me on a Monday morning, why dontcha! ;) Cheers, ig. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:16:07 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: NME review Re: the debate between Giluz and Ian Grant: well i finally got a copy of the wire (with wire) at the weekend. great article. but i gotta say that magazine is a little dull (as ever) apart from the wire piece. i wonder what sort of circulation a mag like that gets? any bets on how long the monotony maker lasts before they combine it with nme? and then there was one? p ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:24:05 +0000 From: Mark Short Subject: "The Wire" paul.rabjohn@ssab.com wrote: > > > well i finally got a copy of the wire (with wire) at the weekend. great article. but i gotta say that magazine is a little dull (as ever) apart from the wire piece. i wonder what sort of circulation a mag like that gets? Wire magazine has too many writers with a background in media studies, who are more interested in "transgression" than music. The interview with Richard H Kirk is an example of that. But as a means of keeping in touch with the less commercial aspects of rock, it doesn't have any rivals. Not that I've come across anyway. I imagine it's circulation is fairly limited, but I expect it shifts more copies than most of the items it reviews. I believe it's owned by the bloke who owns Quartet Books - perhaps he subsidizes it? > > any bets on how long the monotony maker lasts before they combine it with nme? and then there was one? p Am I right in thinking that they're both owned by IPC? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 08:16:55 -0600 From: "MackDaddyD" Subject: Re: "The Wire" I got really excited about the Wire a few years back when they did nice job on Haroumi Hosono. The next issue had Robert Wyatt on the cover and another David Toop essayat the end and I was hooked. 2 issues later, David Toop left his regular column, which to my mind has never been satisfactorily replaced, and the general tenor of the mag sunk a step. Still not as bad as Option, stateside , who came late to the electronica bandwagon, and decided to stay. The only worse burn was when I subscribed to that rag Colin was to write a column for, and they folded before I received a single issue, but not before they debited my Visa.. as to the rest of the press (MM, NME, theFace...) I realized ling ago that few people share my tastes in music, and i cannot really expect anyone to make a living *writing* about music i like - for christ's sake very few people can make a living producing music i like. that said, i read the press and try to suss out where someone's tastes intersect, or violently diverge, with mine, and use that as a guide. For years a local rag, the Illinois Entertainer, was one of my most reliable guides. The better they liked a record, the more certain I was to hate it. And they reliably dished the best recordings they reviewed. d - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Short" To: Sent: Monday, March 13, 2000 7:24 AM Subject: "The Wire" > paul.rabjohn@ssab.com wrote: > > > > > > well i finally got a copy of the wire (with wire) at the weekend. great article. but i gotta say that magazine is a little dull (as ever) apart from the wire piece. i wonder what sort of circulation a mag like that gets? > > Wire magazine has too many writers with a background in media studies, who are > more interested in "transgression" than music. The interview with Richard H Kirk > is an example of that. But as a means of keeping in touch with the less > commercial aspects of rock, it doesn't have any rivals. Not that I've come > across anyway. > > > I imagine it's circulation is fairly limited, but I expect it shifts more copies > than most of the items it reviews. > > I believe it's owned by the bloke who owns Quartet Books - perhaps he subsidizes > it? > > > > any bets on how long the monotony maker lasts before they combine it with nme? and then there was one? p > > Am I right in thinking that they're both owned by IPC? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 15:22:36 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re: "The Wire" > > any bets on how long the monotony maker lasts before they combine it with nme? and then there was one? p Am I right in thinking that they're both owned by IPC? >>>>> yep ; hence they both advertise the other so much. i suspect the mm is dying a death with its new format. i presume that was a shit-or-bust attempt to save it which i can't see working. to me it looks too dumb for the student market so who the hell is going to buy it? i give it 6 months max. p ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 14:41:49 +0000 From: Alan_Platten@ipc.co.uk Subject: Re: "The Wire" > any bets on how long the monotony maker lasts before they combine it with nme? and then there was one? p Am I right in thinking that they're both owned by IPC? ... yes, the 'old traditional rivals' are within a floor of each other (25/26) (oh... i work there [not on either mag but at ipc]) alanx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 18:28:11 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: magazine surely of no interest to anyone here , but wdr are repeating the magazine rockpalast 1980 show on early sunday morning 26th march (show is 1.30 - 5.15 , includes other stuff too). sounds moderately interesting (just as well i rigged up that astra dish.....) p ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 16:38:11 -0600 From: george.m.hook@ac.com Subject: Re: Chicago Yes, I bought a ticket at Metro at Saturday, directly from the club (so I did not have to pay Ticketmaster's "Master and Servant" service charges). A bargain at $20, plus interesting conversation at the Metro store, where some guy in a coloured Mohawk was going on about Laibach. Boy, there was a group that was ahead of its time. I plan to take the day off, make a day of it. First, the Chicago Cubs baseball game in the afternoon (only a few blocks away from the club), then, later that night, Wire. Maybe Colin Newman will sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" during the seventh inning stretch? Not. I don't think the concert has been highly publicized, as yet, so anyone who still needs tickets should not have a problem. I was talking with a Wire fan at Hi Fi Record Store while I was buying a NEAR MINT vinyl copy of Colin's "Commercial Suicide" for 1 American dollar and 99 American cents (sans tax). He was totally unaware of the concert: "Wow," he told me, "It'll be great if they play stuff from their first three albums; that was their best music." That seems to be the general opinion around here. I'll have to say, playing "On Returning" on the CD player, at random, after I bought the ticket was some good listening. But I still like the later material. I am looking forward to the concert then. But maybe they will leave the dancer behind. Unless, of course, it's Bez. George ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #64 ******************************