From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #61 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, March 11 2000 Volume 03 : Number 061 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: NME review [Ian Grant ] another the letter [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re: another the letter [John Roberts ] Chicago [flaherty michael w ] Re: another the letter [Wireviews ] Re: All Tommorows Parties [Tim Robinson ] Milestone ["charles / wmo" ] Re: Milestone ["tube disaster" ] Re: Milestone ["MackDaddyD" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 12:05:50 +0000 From: Ian Grant Subject: Re: NME review At 04:30 10/03/00 -0500, giluz wrote: >I haven't read NME in almost 10 years now, and even though I'm not really >surprised, it saddens me to see that nothing in it has changed. The same >arrogance, the same "we know all there is to know about the music industry" >attitude, and, especially, the same feeling I get everytime I read it, that >the most important thing about this magazine is not the artists but the >magazine itself. For me, the natural consequence of the artists always being more important than the magazine is that you get incredibly tedious, sycophantic non-criticism. If a writer never thought they had more to say than the artist they were writing about, then (imho) there'd be virtually no writing about pop music that was actually worth reading. Elvis Costello might escape the occasional verbal kicking...but, personally, I'd hardly regard that as being a positive development.... The simple fact is that, for example, when somebody reviews a Cranberries record, I want them to give it zero out of ten and use more abusive swear-words per sentence than would seem grammatically possible. Nothing less will do. Sometimes I get my wish, sometimes I don't...and sometimes somebody does the same to one of my favourite bands. That's subjectivity for you, and that's the weekly music press for you. There are plenty of more worthy, elevated places where an illusion of consensus and objectivity reigns supreme. They bore the hell out of me, mind. >I remember that in the early 90's every month or so the NME (or MM) would >tell its readers about the next new revolution in rock music. It's pop music, it changes all the time. Getting overly excited about "the next new revolution", shouting to all and sundry for a month, then getting bored and moving onto something else is all part of the fun. I mean, the Romo thing was laughable, ludicrous, hilarious...and it was well worth a quid to catch up on developments every week. It's much like when your team signs a new player, he scores a hat-trick on his debut and then plays like a useless tart for a year before joining Colchester on loan - you still fall for it the next time there's a new signing, and the next, and the next.... And the day when you don't fall for it is the day when you're probably too cynical to be a football fan anymore.... >What I'm trying to say here is this: >NME is about fashion To repeat, NME is about pop music. Why am I being so defensive? Not merely because the weekly music press has given me more than ten years of fine service, pointing me in the direction of countless unheard gems (and, no doubt, an equal number of unheard turds). Mainly because I'm a vastly opinionated pop fan and I hate the idea that anything is beyond criticism, constructive or otherwise. Even Wire! Cheers, ig. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:11:13 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: another the letter well i must say i was extremely disappointed with the response from the so-called "fans" on this list to my offer to pass on the name of this guy who's trying to sell a "hand written letter from colin" for a mere £100. current interest stands at zero i am afraid , hope colin isn't too offended at this. must admit i ignored this clown completely but he isn't giving up so fast. he's written again with a photocopy of the letter (to prove it's genuine ?!?!) and he's dropped the price to just £70. the letter makes it obvious he was soliciting colin for some sort of charity auction about 10 years ago and this is colin's response. i have great doubts as to the nature of this "charity" to put it mildly. so if anyone wants to have a copy of a really dull letter i will scan it to them for 70 italian lire (negotiable) , maybe even less.p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:12:33 +0000 (GMT) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: another the letter I've managed to bottle a bit of phlegm that escaped from Colin's mouth during 12XU at Nottingham recently. Do you think he'd swap? 8-) John ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 12:00:27 -0600 (CST) From: flaherty michael w Subject: Chicago Tickets to the show at the Metro in Chicago are on sale now at Ticket Master. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:20:29 -0800 (PST) From: Wireviews Subject: Re: another the letter - --- paul.rabjohn@ssab.com wrote: > well i must say i was extremely disappointed with > the response from the so-called "fans" on this list > to my offer to pass on the name of this guy who's > trying to sell a "hand written letter from colin" > for a mere £100. It has to be said, if this guy tried to sell this to me, I'd reply with some letters of my own; seven to be precise, grouped into a set of four, followed by a set of three! :-) C. ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://welcome.to/wireviews News, reviews and dugga. Snub.Comms: http://welcome.to/snub Veer Audio: http://listen.to/veer - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:30:31 +0000 From: Tim Robinson Subject: Re: All Tommorows Parties Who was asking about ATP? The weekend tickets have sold out, but last I heard Wayahead were selling a few day tickets. I think they are asking £33. Its at Pontins in Camber Sands, miles away from civilisation. The place has a weird, fading early 80s vibe about it, but its main hall is the size of a decent concert venue and has improbably good acoustics! Wire are supposed to play the sunday night before Mogwai (who are hosting the whole weekend), I should imagine they won't play a full set as festival rules apply (I'd expect about 45 mins) , but if you want to see Wire in a venue normally used for bingo, childrens entertainers and top comedians like Tom O'Connor then this is just for you. A useful tip, because Pontins Holiday Camp is not accustomed to putting on bands of the calibre of Wire, there is no proper artists enclosure as such, so if they want a post gig drink the bands are forced to mingle with the punters. So if want to attempt to engage the band in dialogue, stick around. www.kidsindestructible.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:58:04 -0600 From: "charles / wmo" Subject: Milestone Wire Mail Order had a milestone today, filling it's 1000th order to none other than list-owner Miles! Thanks to everyone past present and future for your orders! We're still at it. charles wmo@interserv.com http://wiremailorder.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:23:46 -0800 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: Milestone 1,000 orders? Good god, Miles, I hope they give you a discount. Dan >Wire Mail Order had a milestone today, filling it's 1000th order to none >other than list-owner Miles! Thanks to everyone past present and future for >your orders! We're still at it. > >charles >wmo@interserv.com >http://wiremailorder.com/ > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 22:43:59 -0600 From: "MackDaddyD" Subject: Re: Milestone aw amn! - and i was just gonna order a copy o' swim team myself congratulations charles, kevin (and miles) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "tube disaster" To: "Ideal Copy Mailing list" Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 11:23 PM Subject: Re: Milestone > 1,000 orders? Good god, Miles, I hope they give you a discount. > > Dan > > > >Wire Mail Order had a milestone today, filling it's 1000th order to none > >other than list-owner Miles! Thanks to everyone past present and future for > >your orders! We're still at it. > > > >charles > >wmo@interserv.com > >http://wiremailorder.com/ > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #61 ******************************