From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #54 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, March 4 2000 Volume 03 : Number 054 Today's Subjects: ----------------- hello campers ["andy and sheri wiseman" ] Re: idealcopy-digest V3 #53 [Howard Spencer ] Introducing... [Ian Calder ] Re: Wire supports ["tube disaster" ] Re: hello campers [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re[2]: idealcopy-digest V3 #53 [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] (A Chicago) Tour [Jack Steinmann ] Re: Introducing...happy chirpy people ["MackDaddyD" ] Re: Introducing...happy chirpy people [osanders ] Re: (A Chicago) Tour ["Steve Loubert" ] Re: Introducing...happy chirpy people [Andrew N Westmeyer Subject: hello campers pontins camber sands is the most bizare venue to see wire and sonic youth. it's a typically british sixties holiday camp by a vast desert of beach.i spent a week there last summer with the kids, putting on a brave face doing the okey kokey,agadoo etc.i wonder if captain crocodile will be helping out on stage? the independent reviewed the rfh gig: "...polite ripples of applause are almost drowned out by the sound of several hundred chins being stroked.""...heavy going...""..(the dancers)could have brought some marachas and made themselves useful.""...made the world a better place..""pop equivelant of cod liver oil-something you endure in the belief it's doing you good." and so on in that way. yours a.w ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 11:43:11 +0000 From: Howard Spencer Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V3 #53 Hi Paul (and list), What page was this Guardian review on - can't find it in my copy. The other papers carried nothing - Wire were pushed out by Mariah Carey and dear old Pete Townshend's latest 'rock opera' (bleeeagh). Plus ca change, eh? Howard ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 12:12:38 +0000 From: Ian Calder Subject: Introducing... Greetings, I signed up on board the list earlier this week, thought I'd get a feel for the proceedings before posting anything. Here's the introduction... I've listened to Wire since summer 1981 - first purchase was actually the Gilbert and Lewis 'Ends With The Sea' single, followed closely by 'Our Swimmer'. Been very much a fan of Wire and a fair amount of the individual work since then. Over the years I've added the occasional anomaly to the collection. I saw Wire live at long last for the first time at the recent RFH event. Many of the comments thus far echo my sentiments - interesting but flawed. The choice of venue and the noisier, restless fellow patrons the chief culprits. Particularly the rude, mean-spirited, arrogant pea-brained earwigs of a couple sat next to me in Level 6, C43 - twitter and bisted, moi?! Looking forward to the Garage gigs in May though, probably a better home. As for their lack of electronics... three guitars and drums is a more portable, self-contained format, back to the 'beat combo' idea (a small mobile unit, in Frippspeak). More spontaneous, easier to start up initially instead of worrying about programming, etc. Probably mirrors BC Gilbert's sentiments expressed in the Mike Thorne interview (on the stereosociety.com site) - get in a room, make some noise, see what happens. The 1985 Oxford MOMA reactivation was also similarly guitar-based, if I recall, so... who knows where next? The list debate is good - strong signal, low noise ratio - great stuff. A good time to climb aboard I dare say. I hope to add something to it, expect some lurking for a while though. I'm toying with the idea of starting a site that could share my tons and tons of Wire press cuttings from 1977 onwards available - any interest? Finally, I'll only use the word 'awesome' once in posts to the list. That was it. signing off... Ian C ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 23:29:26 -0800 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: Wire supports Saw 'em open for the Mekons in Memphis about 6 years ago ... decent enough, I suppose, but I don't really remember anything about them. Who knows -- a hole-in-the-wall dive like Barristers might not've been their element (it certainly was the Mekons', bless them -- & curse them, while I'm at it, for skipping Memphis ever since). Dan >having lived in Chi for some 15 years now and never seen seam, i am actually >excited at this choice > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "professor ned" >To: >Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2000 9:41 AM >Subject: Re: Wire supports > > >> >In addition to Hovercraft in Seattle, the confirmed supports at this >point >> >are Seam in Chicago and Pansonic in New York. >> >> No fair. We want Pan Sonic everywhere! >> >> ned >> >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 15:29:26 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re: hello campers >>>>> you know that paper isn't known as the indescribablyboring for nothing. sounds like he should get back to his travis albums.p the independent reviewed the rfh gig: "...polite ripples of applause are almost drowned out by the sound of several hundred chins being stroked.""...heavy going...""..(the dancers)could have brought some marachas and made themselves useful.""...made the world a better place..""pop equivelant of cod liver oil-something you endure in the belief it's doing you good." and so on in that way. yours a.w ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 15:34:38 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: idealcopy-digest V3 #53 it was right next to the pete townsend review in the copy i had. maybe in oxford you get a different edition (for all those intellectuals?!?) p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V3 #53 Author: MIME:hspencer@oup.co.uk at INTERNET Date: 03/03/2000 12:45 Hi Paul (and list), What page was this Guardian review on - can't find it in my copy. The other papers carried nothing - Wire were pushed out by Mariah Carey and dear old Pete Townshend's latest 'rock opera' (bleeeagh). Plus ca change, eh? Howard ------------------------------ Date: 03 Mar 2000 15:07:40 -0600 From: Jack Steinmann Subject: (A Chicago) Tour Tickets for Chicago go on sale tomorrow, yes? Where/how do we buy them? Ticketmaster? Anyone? Jack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 09:56:20 -0600 From: "MackDaddyD" Subject: Re: Introducing...happy chirpy people YES > I'm toying with the idea of starting a site that could share my tons and tons of Wire press cuttings from 1977 onwards available - any interest? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 14:12:28 -0800 From: osanders Subject: Re: Introducing...happy chirpy people I think that would be great. It would be interesting and provide a great reference! MackDaddyD wrote: > > YES > > > I'm toying with the idea of starting a site that could share my tons and > tons of Wire press cuttings from 1977 onwards available - any interest? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com - -- **************************** Obie Sanders/ System Administrator ADN - --------------------------- osanders@adnc.com/ext.273 **************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 18:07:02 -0600 From: "Steve Loubert" Subject: Re: (A Chicago) Tour From www.metrochicago.com: - --------------------------------------------------- Ticket Sales Metro's Box Office Located in Clubhouse 3728 N. Clark 773-549-0203 Hours: Mon.-Thurs. 12 Noon - 8 pm Fri.- Sat. 12 Noon - 10 pm Sunday 12 Noon - 6 pm Sales are cash only and there is never a service fee! Aside from being the Metro box office they also sell tons of cool stuff. Stop by before or after the show! For those of you who can't come to our box office, tickets are available at all Ticketmaster outlets or charge by phone, 312-559-1212. Tickets are also available on-line by clicking on Ticketmaster. - ------------------------------------------------------ Me, I'll be using Ticketmaster. (Insert obligatory retching noise here.) If anyone is familiar enough with Chicago to know the name of a hotel within crawling distance of the club, I would like to hear it. Steve Loubert ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 19:23:12 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew N Westmeyer Subject: Re: Introducing...happy chirpy people Excerpts from mail: 3-Mar-100 Re: Introducing...happy chi.. > > I'm toying with the idea of starting a site that could share my tons and > tons of Wire press cuttings from 1977 onwards available - any interest? Of course it's a great idea. Let me suggest one caveat though. You're going to want to be careful about copyright infringement (obviously this is an issue with the Wire Page too!). Generally speaking, posting an article somebody else has written is illegal. The odds are that nobody is going to say anything, since there's little financial incentive worth pursuing for something this small. I seem to remember Craig asking some newspaper for permission, and they wanted some ridiculous amount of money. (A)ndrew Westmeyer qwerty@cmu.edu www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~qwerty "They ask me if I feel remorse and I answer why of course, there's so much more I could've done if they'd let me" -NC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 21:21:56 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Introducing...happy chirpy people Andrew, << Generally speaking, posting an article somebody else has written is illegal. >> Not true. As long as you credit where it came from in full it is very hard to get into trouble....once something has been published it is in the public domain, so the worst that could happen is you being asked nicely to remove it.... just be careful you don't repeat a libel! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 21:25:38 -0600 From: "Steve Loubert" Subject: Re: Introducing...happy chirpy people - ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew N Westmeyer > > I seem to remember Craig asking some newspaper for permission, and they > wanted some ridiculous amount of money. It's usually easier to beg forgiveness than to ask permission. Seriously, even if an intellectual property or copyright owner doesn't care if you use their material, when you ask them directly they have to say no or ask for compensation to avoid the possibility of losing future claims of ownership. Or so I've heard. Steve Loubert, not a lawyer ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #54 ******************************