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idealcopy-digest      Thursday, February 10 2000      Volume 03 : Number 029



                               Today's Subjects:
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  Re: it's a boy as usual/pink fag [sic]/new york        [Molesworht@aol.com]
  Re: Gotobed put to bed.                                 [MarkBursa@aol.com]
  Re: Gotobed put to bed.                                [Eardrumbuz@aol.com]
  Re: Ex Lion Tamers/Chairs                 [Wireviews <wireviews@yahoo.com>]

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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 12:47:34 EST
From: Molesworht@aol.com
Subject: Re: it's a boy as usual/pink fag [sic]/new york

In a message dated 2/6/00 5:24:44 PM, BerryS@newschool.edu writes:

<<
is robert grey really gotobed?

..................yes

have yet to see a confirmation
on this. read the gender posts
with much curiosity, i suppose
i'm not too surprised that the
women are few and far between
here, maybe i'll have to recruit
some pals to the list for some
balance. any other queer wire
fans on the list?

.............don't hear anything in the music to turn off any open-minded
demographic sector

what about
new york city folk?

...........plenty in that fair city.  ex-producer Mike Thorne has a studio
somewhere downtown.

someone
asked about the significance
of the pink flag,

............the original photo didn't have a flag, the pink one being painted
on to suit the song (which came before the album title)

and i never
saw a response...anyone got
any ideas or speculations?

..........listen to the words of the song, oblique as ever but with gay
references, although not so up front as in 12XU

as someone who remembers the
minor threat 12XU cover that
smacks of homophobia i've always
had my own interpretation of it.

..........there were many gay punks way back then.  When punk subsequently
invaded the mainstream, it inevitably overlapped with homophobics

cheerio!
scott >>

..............see you, Molesworht 

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Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 21:26:31 EST
From: MarkBursa@aol.com
Subject: Re: Gotobed put to bed.

Stu,

<< To put this one to bed. Gotobed is his Father's name, Grey his Mother's.
 So they are both "real" surnames, Robert has now chosen to use Grey.
 (Thanks Kevin E.)>>

The Guinness encyclopaedia of Indie & New Wave music reckons he's really 
called Mark Field!!!

Good name for a Farmer....

Mark

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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 01:45:25 EST
From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com
Subject: Re: Gotobed put to bed.

dan's got it. i believe it was ex-lion tamers opening for wire (the show i 
missed 10 or 12 years ago at maxwells in hoboken, nj). only i thought i heard 
that they played all of chairs missing.

- -paul

<<Only band I can think of who might've done that are the obvious ones,

Ex-Lion Tamers.


Dan



>Wasn't it Tar that did Pink Flag  in it's entirety start to finnish or am I

>thinking about someone else ?>>

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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 01:14:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Wireviews <wireviews@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Ex Lion Tamers/Chairs

- --- Eardrumbuz@aol.com wrote:
> dan's got it. i believe it was ex-lion tamers
> opening for wire (the show i 
> missed 10 or 12 years ago at maxwells in hoboken,
> nj). only i thought i heard 
> that they played all of chairs missing.

Eden's Wire Biography, Everybody Loves a History,
states that during Wire's initial '80s runs they
hooked up with Ex-Lion Tamers and let them take care
of the nostalgia by playing Pink Flag in its entirety
prior to gigs.  However, for one night only they
played the whole of Chairs Missing and became the
Ex-Lion Chairs.

Best,


Craig.



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