From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #27 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, February 8 2000 Volume 03 : Number 027 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Gotobed [Howard Spencer ] Gotobed put to bed. [Stuart Fairbrother ] Re: cover versions [Joe Turner ] Re: it's a boy as usual/pink fag [sic]/new york [John Roberts ] re. cover versions ["Casper Milquetoast" ] Fwd: re. cover versions [Comerandy@aol.com] Re: cover versions ["tube disaster" ] Re: re. cover versions ["tube disaster" ] re: its a boy, as usual ["Mats Hammerman" ] pinkflag dot com ["Mark McQuitty" ] Wire Mail Order US SET SALE ["charles / wmo" ] Re: its a boy, as usual [Obie Sanders ] Re: re. cover versions [Andrew N Westmeyer ] Re: it's a boy as usual/pink fag [sic]/new york ["precision lies" Subject: Re: Gotobed Grey must be Gotobed, cos he (the artist formerly known as Robert Gotobed) is in the new publicity photo. Or am I being too literal? It was (to me) a complete surprise, and quite a disappointment, to find that Gotobed is not his real name, I must confess. In 'Everybody loves a history', I believe it is stated that the pink flag was spotted fluttering on Plymouth Hoe (? - don't have the text with me) and photographed. And er.. that's it. Or am I still being too literal? Just bought the HOX CD (through WMO, natch), and am v. impressed. Somewhere between HALO and He Said Omala. Howard ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 11:02:59 -0000 From: Stuart Fairbrother Subject: Gotobed put to bed. To put this one to bed. Gotobed is his Father's name, Grey his Mother's. So they are both "real" surnames, Robert has now chosen to use Grey. (Thanks Kevin E.) Stu. - -----Original Message----- From: Howard Spencer [mailto:hspencer@oup.co.uk] Sent: Monday, February 07, 2000 10:36 AM To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: Gotobed Grey must be Gotobed, cos he (the artist formerly known as Robert Gotobed) is in the new publicity photo. Or am I being too literal? It was (to me) a complete surprise, and quite a disappointment, to find that Gotobed is not his real name, I must confess. I ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 12:05:42 -0500 (EST) From: Joe Turner Subject: Re: cover versions On Sat, 5 Feb 2000, Michel Faber wrote: > In fact, I often find that even the most intuitively tasteful and > masterly musicians go a bit askew when they do cover versions. Unless you've got a brilliant, amazingly unique take on a song, covers on record tend to fall flat. Played live, they tend to work better, due to the more fleeting and ephemeral nature of live music. Inevitably, though, my reaction is that "this must have been fun to record, but it adds nothing to the platonic ideal of this composition". An album like "Faithful" by Todd Rundgren can be the fun exception. One side is originals, but the other is full of 100% soundalike (that is, 'faithful') covers of various 60's chestnuts: "Rain", "If Six Was Nine", etc. Note-for-note, timbre-for-timbre recreations; it's Todd showing off his ear for accurracy, sure, but that's kind of fun. Everything, cover or not, has a shelf-life of some sort or another, of course. > The Flying Lizards do a wonderful, implicitly sadomasochistic take on > 'Sex Machine' and also a very good version of 'Suzanne' - rather > better than He Said's, in my opinion. Check out their cover of "Money (That's What I Want)". Sinister, and taken to its hedonistic, claustrophobic, selfish extreme. /j ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 18:00:05 +0000 (GMT) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: it's a boy as usual/pink fag [sic]/new york read the gender posts > with much curiosity, i suppose > i'm not too surprised that the > women are few and far between > here, maybe i'll have to recruit > some pals to the list for some > balance. any other queer wire > fans on the list? Does this refer to my comments on Graham Lewis's jogging trousers? Or rather what was clearly visible within them? If so, I think there has been a misinterpretation of what was merely a comment on Mr Lewis's vanity. Not heard the homophobic cover of 12XU but a lot of those straight edge types have an essentialist view of sexuality so it doesn't surprise me in the slightest. In my humble opinion there is a thin line between fascism and straight edge and this is backed up when you hear these bands going on about heterosexuality being tied up with 'nature' in a manner not entirely disimilar to the kind of crap you hear from other homophobic bigots. I'll get off my soapbox now. John (not queer, but pro queer) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 19:03:09 +0000 (GMT) From: John Roberts Subject: Nottingham date OK folks. I'm assuming that the details that follow from the Guardian Guide's Club Section are accurate (i.e. that there is only ONE Heavenly Social Club in Nottingham): Heavenly Social Club Pelham St Nottingham Tel No: 0115 9 505078 There is a good map of Nottingham city centre at http://www.crd.rca.ac.uk/~richardb/citymap.html I have a copy of this map which is a gif file, if anyone wants me to send them a copy of it can they email me at johnroberts_stats@yahoo.com and I'll gladly do it. If you want to find Pelham St quickly just locate the Tourist Information on Long Row then follow that road - it becomes Pelham St. I've no idea what this venue is like as I haven't phoned them yet. Will be doing it tonight so will post any other info I get later this week. Tara John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 14:05:53 -0800 From: "Casper Milquetoast" Subject: re. cover versions Straying back on subject of Wire and covers, i've found that few acts have ever really done their songs justice. Out of the lot that I've put an ear too i've found Minor Threats version to be the most bearable (on the other hand they were a defining band of my youth so i have to remain partial to them). Aside from that i finally got around to hearing REM's version of Strange. I myself having a great deal of respect for the works of REM found myself wanting micheal stipes head on a pole after hearing the song. But thats just me. I was just curious if there are any other good wire covers out there worth listening to. casper PS; my own band has been performing Ex Lion Tamer during live shows, if anyone wants a listen when i get a copy they are more than welcome to let me know what they think of it. pps: my last post was in html i appologize for anyone getting this twice, i'm not used to text only replies. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 14:13:12 EST From: Comerandy@aol.com Subject: Fwd: re. cover versions - --part1_54.126f8da.25d07348_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - --part1_54.126f8da.25d07348_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: Comerandy@aol.com From: Comerandy@aol.com Full-name: Comerandy Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 14:12:27 EST Subject: Re: re. cover versions To: milque@velocity.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 i think my bloody valentine's rendition of "map reference" (see "whore" cd) is excellent... andy - --part1_54.126f8da.25d07348_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 13:18:07 -0800 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: cover versions > >> The Flying Lizards do a wonderful, implicitly sadomasochistic take on >> 'Sex Machine' and also a very good version of 'Suzanne' - rather >> better than He Said's, in my opinion. > >Check out their cover of "Money (That's What I Want)". Sinister, and >taken to its hedonistic, claustrophobic, selfish extreme. Amazingly enough, it even charted in the US -- right around No. 40, I believe. Otherwise, god knows, I wouldn't have been able to pick up a copy of the 7" in the benighted, diminutive (pop. 11,000 or so) college town in which I was then exiled. Then again, a year or so earlier I'd been able to buy Pink Flag at another store there (though in retrospect I'm positive I special-ordered it). Dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 13:20:25 -0800 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: re. cover versions >Straying back on subject of Wire and covers, i've found that few acts have >ever really done their songs justice. Out of the lot that I've put an ear >too i've found Minor Threats version to be the most bearable (on the other >hand they were a defining band of my youth so i have to remain partial to >them). Aside from that i finally got around to hearing REM's version of >Strange. I myself having a great deal of respect for the works of REM found >myself wanting micheal stipes head on a pole after hearing the song. But >thats just me. I was just curious if there are any other good wire covers >out there worth listening to. > >casper I picked up Genius + Love = Yo La Tengo used a couple of days ago & was *amazed* at how much their cover of Too Late sounds like an outtake by the orignators ... Dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 11:48:38 PST From: "Mats Hammerman" Subject: re: its a boy, as usual >Of course we're all male. Wire is heavy metal for intellectuals. >Do you >know any female heavy metal fans? Actually I know a lot of female heavy metal fans. Well... four, but that must be a lot! Saw also some words about The The. I saw The The as an opening act for Wire in London 1979. That was pretty far from acustic... Two serious guys with a lot of machines. But it had charm... All the best Mats ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 21:48:40 -0000 From: "Mark McQuitty" Subject: pinkflag dot com After enjoying a browse through the fledgling pinkflag.com site, I was wondering if this new online Wire activity might signify a new avenue of communication directly with the band members. So, who is behind the site? Will the band be taking @pinkflag.com email? Will they be list subscribers? Anyone got any answers? Craig? Kevin? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 16:13:57 -0600 From: "charles / wmo" Subject: Wire Mail Order US SET SALE Please visit https://www.wiremailorder.com/site/setsale.htm for our close out list of Wire related items. PLEASE NOTE: Quantities are strictly limited. PLEASE reserve your purchase by e-mail to shop@wiremailorder.com This offer is valid until 2/20/00. Payment may be made by credit card. thanks! charles wmo@interserv.com http://wiremailorder.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 15:15:32 -0800 From: Obie Sanders Subject: Re: its a boy, as usual wow that's a name I nearly forgot , "The The" , what are Matt Johnson and the rest up to , Is Johnny Marr still in the band? Is guess I could use the handy dandy internet to obtain this info! Mats Hammerman wrote: > > >Of course we're all male. Wire is heavy metal for intellectuals. >Do you > >know any female heavy metal fans? > > Actually I know a lot of female heavy metal fans. Well... four, but that > must be a lot! > > Saw also some words about The The. I saw The The as an opening act for Wire > in London 1979. That was pretty far from acustic... Two serious guys with a > lot of machines. But it had charm... > > All the best > Mats > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -- **************************** Obie Sanders/ System Administrator ADN - --------------------------- osanders@adnc.com/ext.273 **************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 20:11:53 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew N Westmeyer Subject: Re: re. cover versions Excerpts from mail: 7-Feb-100 re. cover versions by "Casper Milquetoast"@vel > I was just curious if there are any other good wire covers > out there worth listening to. For a while, tracking down Wire covers was an obsession of mine (I have a clinically identifiable case of obsessive compulsive disorder). I managed to get quite a few; see the Wire Page for a list of them all (plus some I don't have). The most common cover is "Outdoor Miner". Also, most covers are identical to the originals. The interesting ones are those which differ in a successful way. The most memorable for me are Boss Hog's "12XU" and the New Bomb Turks' "Mr Suit". There are some other good ones too. (A)ndrew Westmeyer qwerty@cmu.edu www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~qwerty "They ask me if I feel remorse and I answer why of course, there's so much more I could've done if they'd let me" -NC ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 21:19:00 -0500 From: "precision lies" Subject: Re: it's a boy as usual/pink fag [sic]/new york "Scott Berry" wrote: >what about new york city folk? Hi Scott. I live in Manhattan. - -Mike F ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #27 ******************************