From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #20 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, February 1 2000 Volume 03 : Number 020 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re[2]: limitted edition rfh stuff [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Colin Newman bit my dog [andy swapp ] Re:Re[2]: limit [Jack Steinmann ] Re:limitted edition rfh stuff [Jack Steinmann ] wire interview [kevin eden ] Re: Colin Newman bit my dog [MarkBursa@aol.com] Mark Bursa : Bruce and Graham @ MOMA [andy swapp ] Re: Re:limitted edition rfh stuff ["tube disaster" ] limited edition rfh stuff [BillyD ] Re: the limits of this editionb [BillyD ] Re: limited edition rfh stuff [Paul Pietromonaco ] Pink Flag ["Cambra, Robert" ] Re: Pink Flag [Paul Pietromonaco ] Re: Pink Flag [Brian ] London vs the Colonies ["MackDaddyD" ] Re: London vs the Colonies [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 10:30:01 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: limitted edition rfh stuff hey , that website is excellento. so what the hell is this "78 live video" they're going to start with. any ideas? p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: RE: limitted edition rfh stuff Author: MIME:jpunaro@prodigy.net.mx at INTERNET Date: 30/01/2000 20:53 I do agree, I hope WMO can obtain some copies of this cd to offer to the non-UK Wire fans. Saludos ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 10:15:58 -0000 From: andy swapp Subject: Colin Newman bit my dog Hi everyone! New to the list me, so, subscribers might like to know I first met the 'boys in the band' when working at MOMA in Oxford and was privileged to be there when they re-formed in 1985 for their one off concert there - the installation that Bruce and Graham did in the top gallery [as Dome] is still stuck in my memory as one of the most extraordinary installations I had ever seen there and I had worked there for more than ten years so I had seen some pretty amazing stuff thanks to the Director, D. Elliott and particularly Marco Livingstone, the then deputy Director, who had such a profound affects on the exhibition programme at the time. I still have a limited edition multiple they made consisting of a large postal tube full of the strangest array of weird and wonderful objects! Plus of course the ubiquitous 'boot-leg' of the concert. I had the opportunity to meet them during the installation work and along with Russell Mills and Shinro Otake their stay at the gallery was a memorable one, during which I got to like them immensely, I remember less of Colin and Robert but think only Robert turned up for the reformed gig I may be wrong, certainly I met the others and found them less approachable but Bruce and Graham had been there for quite a while so the others may have been less sociable because the boys had settled into their 'piece' and got to know us pretty well. Scarcely ever in the history of MOMA do I recall spending quite such happy hours in and around Oxford with Bruce, Graham and Russell drinking far too much Guinness, talking about Becket and laughing a lot As to the concert itself, 'Ambulance Chasers' got it's first airing again there and sticks in the mind and the whole evening was extraordinarily powerful, though only a short set. Unfortunately I have to confess that it was I who led the crowd into a foot stomping barrage to try to get them back to play an encore and was so totally out of it that I went on for an embarrassingly long time....those of you who have heard the tape will know just how embarrassing this is! Ah, happy days, those of too much toot! I fell out of touch after Oxford and I miss their company and humour not to mention the drink. I intend to catch up with them at the RFH, as I missed them at MOMA the Saturday before last when they again where involved there with their sound installation - I gather Bruce managed to clear the room in record time when doing his version of Fat Boy Slim down in the coffeebar which I trust satisfied him enormously. I will try to keep up with the list and hope to contribute again soon.See you at the RFH. bests to everyone Andy ------------------------------ Date: 31 Jan 2000 08:01:46 -0600 From: Jack Steinmann Subject: Re:Re[2]: limit Check the website's name. They're revisiting their roots. Jack paul.rabjohn@ssab.com wrote: >hey , that website is excellento. so what the hell is this "78 >live video" they're going to start with. any ideas? p ------------------------------ Date: 31 Jan 2000 08:09:36 -0600 From: Jack Steinmann Subject: Re:limitted edition rfh stuff The historical record would suggest that the tracks from this CD will reappear appended to the (yes) album Wire record after their tour in the Spring. No? Jack Jorge Punaro wrote: >I do agree, I hope WMO can obtain some copies of this cd to offer to the >non-UK Wire fans. >-----Mensaje original----- >De: John M Campbell >> It's my understanding that the limitted edition 4 track cd will be >>available only at the show. This leaves us fans who find ourselves for, >>whatever reason, unable to attend somewhat out in the cold. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 06:19:22 -0800 (PST) From: kevin eden Subject: wire interview Plans are being made for a Wire interview for the next WMO newsletter (March). Whilst we have some questions already planned we would like to know what you want us to ask them. Any questions should be e-mailed directly to: wmouk@yahoo.com We will look at them and if they fall into groups of same questions will collate. We cannot promise that all the questions will be answered and we want to keep them restricted to the RFH event, possible future plans etc. Get your thinking caps on. ===== kevin eden wmo, po box 112, stockport, cheshire, sk3 9fd, uk wmouk@yahoo.com http://wiremailorder.com/ "dreams that money can buy" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 09:50:03 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Colin Newman bit my dog Andy, >>I still have a limited edition multiple they made consisting of a large postal tube full of the strangest array of weird and wonderful objects! Plus of course the ubiquitous 'boot-leg' of the concert.<< I knew there had to at least one other sad anorak out there with one of those things!! I bought mine after the Wire gig as a little (!!) souvenir...just couldn't resist it...I think they were being sold off cheap! Do you remember the Oxford gig being filmed? I remember there were two cameramen with pro gear filming...as you worked there, do you know what happened to the tape? I'd love to have a copy... Cheers, Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 15:45:59 -0000 From: andy swapp Subject: Mark Bursa : Bruce and Graham @ MOMA I knew there had to at least one other sad anorak out there with one of those things!! I bought mine after the Wire gig as a little (!!) souvenir...just couldn't resist it...I think they were being sold off cheap! Do you remember the Oxford gig being filmed? I remember there were two cameramen with pro gear filming...as you worked there, do you know what happened to the tape? I'd love to have a copy...Thanks Mark good to know I am not the only saddo out there! I don't actually remember it being filmed at all but that's hardly surprising. I do remember the guy who taped it with his Walkman professional and it is a remarkably good quality recording which is more than can be said of the 'Multiple' art work as you so rightly point out!! But interested folk should perhaps contact the Museum and ask if they have it in the archive. I include here methods of contacting and/or visiting the Gallery. For those interested in Bruce and Graham's current exhibition at MOMA and the CD with the show read on: Bruce Gilbert & Graham Lewis Exhibit @ MOMA OXFORD AUDIBLE LIGHT 23 January - 19 March 2000 Audible Light will explore how eight internationally emerging artists make use of artificially produced sound and light as a sculptural medium. Each gallery at MOMA will be occupied by an installation in which sound and light will be the key components, with electricity transforming the static, minimal elements of the work. These installations, some of which are new commissions, will explore the combined qualities of sound and light in defining the architectural space they occupy. Some pieces are directly interactive; the viewer affecting the nature of the work. The influence of the artists other interests and professions, such as architecture, music, performance, video and DJ-ing can be readily understood in the works shown. This fusion of interests, the breaking down of more traditional professional boundaries, particularly where the dynamics of space, sound and architecture are concerned, is increasingly apparent in the sub-cultures, or outer edges of these particular disciplines. Bruce Gilbert & Graham Lewis (UK) Bruce Gilbert and Graham Lewis are founder members of the group Wire, formed in 1976. It was as members of Wire that they performed at the Museum of Modern Art Oxford in 1987[?]. Described variously as 'sonic experimenters' and performance artists, they have collaborated many times before on projects such as Dome, P'o and Duet Emmo. They both continue to write, perform and record music, Gilbert in London, Lewis in Sweden. Bruce Gilbert released his latest solo album on the Mute record label in 1997. Gilbert and Lewis will be producing a new work for this exhibition. Audible Light: Enhanced CD Exhibition Guide This CD contains images of work by the artists included in Audible Light, brief biographical text information and samples of soundworks. (with the exception of the page for Tommi Grönlund and Petteri Nisunen for whom there are visuals and text information only). Included with the CD is a ten-side full colour inlay fold-out carries essays by Astrid Bowron, curator of Audible Light, and Rob Flint, artist, writer, lecturer and curator. Special Exhibition Price: £2.35 inc VAT. Also obtainble by post at £3.25 including P&P. The CD is playable on PCs with Windows 95 or 98. Produced by the Museum of Modern Art Oxford. All rights reserved. For further information and purchase, contact Ian Cole, Head of Education tel: 01865-813802. Opening times Tuesday-Sunday 11am-6pm Thursday 11am-9pm. Closed Monday. Please telephone for public holiday opening times. Address 30 Pembroke Street, Oxford, OX1 1BP, Tel: 01865 722733 Fax: 01865 722573, Recorded information: 01865 813830 Admission Adults £2.50. Concessions £1.50 (over 60/registered disabled /unwaged /students). Children under 16 free. Free admission Wednesday 11am-1pm & Thursday 6pm-9pm. More later Andy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 12:57:43 -0800 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: Re:limitted edition rfh stuff What? They're recording an album of Yes covers? I should've stayed in bed today ... Dan > >The historical record would suggest that the tracks from this CD will reappear appended to the (yes) album Wire record after their tour in the Spring. No? > >Jack > > >Jorge Punaro wrote: >>I do agree, I hope WMO can obtain some copies of this cd to offer to the >>non-UK Wire fans. > >>-----Mensaje original----- >>De: John M Campbell > >>> It's my understanding that the limitted edition 4 track cd will be >>>available only at the show. This leaves us fans who find ourselves for, >>>whatever reason, unable to attend somewhat out in the cold. > > ------------------------------ Date: 31 Jan 2000 13:10:03 -0600 From: Jack Steinmann Subject: Re: the limits of this edition Nine different renditions of 'Roundabout.' You heard it here first. On Monday, January 31, 2000, dp bailey wrote: >What? They're recording an album of Yes covers? I should've stayed in bed >today ... > >Dan > > >> >>The historical record would suggest that the tracks from this CD will >reappear appended to the (yes) album Wire record after their tour in the >Spring. No? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 13:09:36 -0800 (PST) From: BillyD Subject: limited edition rfh stuff So, I guess we're all supposed to quit our jobs and leave our spouses so we can see the show somewhere and get this new cd? It's a shame, I quite like my job and I'm rather fond of my wife... Cheers, Billy P.S. I don't see tickets on sale for the US shows. Yet... - --- tube disaster wrote: > What? They're recording an album of Yes covers? I > should've stayed in bed > today ... > > Dan > > > > > >The historical record would suggest that the tracks > from this CD will > reappear appended to the (yes) album Wire record > after their tour in the > Spring. No? > > > >Jack > > > > > >Jorge Punaro wrote: > >>I do agree, I hope WMO can obtain some copies of > this cd to offer to the > >>non-UK Wire fans. > > > >>-----Mensaje original----- > >>De: John M Campbell > > > >>> It's my understanding that the limitted > edition 4 track cd will be > >>>available only at the show. This leaves us fans > who find ourselves for, > >>>whatever reason, unable to attend somewhat out in > the cold. > > > > > > ===== . ./\/\/\. [ . . ] /\ -- -Get Well Sammy! (R)SOT Ltd. http://depechemode.acmecity.com/freestate/54 http://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 13:25:53 -0800 (PST) From: BillyD Subject: Re: the limits of this editionb Why not? Nine different versions of 'Drill'... - --- Jack Steinmann wrote: > > Nine different renditions of 'Roundabout.' You > heard it here first. > > > On Monday, January 31, 2000, dp bailey wrote: > >What? They're recording an album of Yes covers? I > should've stayed in bed > >today ... > > > >Dan > > > > > >> > >>The historical record would suggest that the > tracks from this CD will > >reappear appended to the (yes) album Wire record > after their tour in the > >Spring. No? > > > > ===== . ./\/\/\. [ . . ] /\ -- -Get Well Sammy! (R)SOT Ltd. http://depechemode.acmecity.com/freestate/54 http://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 13:27:03 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: limited edition rfh stuff Don't knock it until you've tried it. I'm flying from Seattle, WA to see this show.... ...I don't have a wife though. Not sure about the job. (^_^) - -Paul >So, I guess we're all supposed to quit our jobs and >leave our spouses so we can see the show somewhere and >get this new cd? >It's a shame, I quite like my job and I'm rather fond >of my wife... > >Cheers, >Billy > >P.S. I don't see tickets on sale for the US shows. >Yet... > > >--- tube disaster wrote: >> What? They're recording an album of Yes covers? I >> should've stayed in bed >> today ... >> >> Dan >> >> >> > >> >The historical record would suggest that the tracks >> from this CD will >> reappear appended to the (yes) album Wire record >> after their tour in the >> Spring. No? >> > >> >Jack >> > >> > >> >Jorge Punaro wrote: >> >>I do agree, I hope WMO can obtain some copies of >> this cd to offer to the >> >>non-UK Wire fans. >> > >> >>-----Mensaje original----- >> >>De: John M Campbell >> > >> >>> It's my understanding that the limitted >> edition 4 track cd will be >> >>>available only at the show. This leaves us fans >> who find ourselves for, >> >>>whatever reason, unable to attend somewhat out in >> the cold. >> > >> > >> >> > >===== >. ./\/\/\. > [ . . ] > /\ > -- -Get Well Sammy! (R)SOT Ltd. >http://depechemode.acmecity.com/freestate/54 >http://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com *********************************************************** Brain: "Pinky, Are You Pondering What I'm Pondering?" Pinky: "I think so Brain, but can the gummy worms really live in peace with the marshmallow chips?" Paul Pietromonaco Test Engineer - Reflection X WRQ, Inc. E-Mail: paulp@wrq.com *********************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 19:04:54 -0500 From: "Cambra, Robert" Subject: Pink Flag I've probably just been missing something obvious all these years but I'm still wondering: why is the flag pink? Just this morning I was thinking--dreaming really--that should fly to London for the 2/26 show, then I discover through pinkflag.com that Wire will be playing two shows in MY TOWN. I'm very happy. Robert ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 16:20:39 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: Pink Flag Awww, come on. Fly to London anyway. It's only $464.00 U.S. roundtrip with no stops from Seattle to Heathrow via British Airways.... (^_^) Temptingly yours, Paul >I've probably just been missing something obvious all these years but I'm >still wondering: why is the flag pink? > >Just this morning I was thinking--dreaming really--that should fly to London >for the 2/26 show, then I discover through pinkflag.com that Wire will be >playing two shows in MY TOWN. I'm very happy. > >Robert *********************************************************** Brain: "Pinky, Are You Pondering What I'm Pondering?" Pinky: "I think so Brain, but can the gummy worms really live in peace with the marshmallow chips?" Paul Pietromonaco Test Engineer - Reflection X WRQ, Inc. E-Mail: paulp@wrq.com *********************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 19:02:46 -0800 From: Brian Subject: Re: Pink Flag With 2 show's at either The Great American or The Fillmore, I may go to both. . Paul Pietromonaco wrote: > Awww, come on. Fly to London anyway. > > It's only $464.00 U.S. roundtrip with no stops from Seattle to Heathrow > via British Airways.... > > (^_^) > > Temptingly yours, > Paul > > >I've probably just been missing something obvious all these years but > I'm > >still wondering: why is the flag pink? > > > >Just this morning I was thinking--dreaming really--that should fly to > London > >for the 2/26 show, then I discover through pinkflag.com that Wire will > be > >playing two shows in MY TOWN. I'm very happy. > > > >Robert > > *********************************************************** > > Brain: "Pinky, Are You Pondering What I'm Pondering?" > > Pinky: "I think so Brain, but can the gummy worms > really live in peace with the marshmallow > chips?" > > Paul Pietromonaco > Test Engineer - Reflection X > WRQ, Inc. > E-Mail: paulp@wrq.com > > *********************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 21:33:39 -0600 From: "MackDaddyD" Subject: London vs the Colonies More to the point - It's All In The Brouchere is nit the same show we yanks will get My pal Neil and his wife Connie will be in the first balcony and I AM envious. I will be in attendance at Ye Olde Cabaret Metro here in Chi, but No duet emmo here (immersion maybe....??? if we are lucky) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cambra, Robert" To: Sent: Monday, January 31, 2000 6:04 PM Subject: Pink Flag > I've probably just been missing something obvious all these years but I'm > still wondering: why is the flag pink? > > Just this morning I was thinking--dreaming really--that should fly to London > for the 2/26 show, then I discover through pinkflag.com that Wire will be > playing two shows in MY TOWN. I'm very happy. > > Robert __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 9:55:40 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re: London vs the Colonies interesting though that , as with colin's tour , it seems wire can fix up us tours fairly readily whereas the uk seems not so simple. i wonder if the popularity level is considered to be so much more out there? given that you have to get everyone over the atlantic (air fares etc) , i'd have thought european tours might be a bit more viable but apparently not. unless wire just prefer playing over there (s). p More to the point - It's All In The Brouchere is nit the same show we yanks will get My pal Neil and his wife Connie will be in the first balcony and I AM envious. I will be in attendance at Ye Olde Cabaret Metro here in Chi, but No duet emmo here (immersion maybe....??? if we are lucky) ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #20 ******************************