From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #19 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, January 31 2000 Volume 03 : Number 019 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Wire and OT Killing Joke question [jasonmb@calweb.com] A.C.Marias ["Michel Faber" ] Re: A.C.Marias [Wireviews ] Re: Wire and OT Killing Joke question [Miles Goosens ] limitted edition rfh stuff ["John M Campbell" ] pinkflag.com ["Mark McQuitty" ] RE: limitted edition rfh stuff [Jorge Punaro ] tour dates [pshaw@cave.net] Re: A.C.Marias [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 03:24:55 -0800 From: jasonmb@calweb.com Subject: Wire and OT Killing Joke question Hi everyone, I'm new to the list. I only have three Wire CDs so far: 154, IBTABA, and the Life in the Manscape single, but I love them all. I can't wait to hear the rest of their albums, and it looks like there's enough solo work from Newman/Lewis/Gilbert/Gotobed to keep me busy for years. Favorite songs so far: Eardrum Buzz (12" version), In Vivo, Life in the Manscape. It's very cool to know they just got back together. I hope they'll play California sometime soon! Also, I'd like to apologize in advance for asking an off-topic question in my first post. ;) I saw some discussion of Killing Joke a few digests ago, and I was wondering, where can I find their song "A New Day"? I saw the video and really liked the song, but I don't see it listed on any of their CDs. - -- Jason Borchers jasonmb@calweb.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 15:43:26 -0000 From: "Michel Faber" Subject: A.C.Marias Dear Wire fans, My Mute CD reissue of Bruce Gilbert's The Shivering Man and This Way LPs (combined as This Way To The Shivering Man) goes for just over 60 minutes - at least fifteen minutes short of the maximum CD capacity. Despite this, the compiler has omitted several tracks - and the casualties happen to be the ones on which Angela Conway featured prominently or co-composed. Thus the CD sleeve, unlike the LP, makes no mention of her, and even removes the credit 'typography by Angela Conway'! Is this co-incidence, or something more sinister? Apart from being aware that Colin Newman and Malka Spigel are partners, I know nothing of Wire's personal history. Did Gilbert and Conway perhaps have a rancorous break- up, causing him to try to erase her from his work? Or did he just axe those tracks because he felt they weren't right for the 'flow' of the CD? (Hard to believe, as they're superb.) Can anyone enlighten me? Michel Faber michelfaber@ablach.freeserve.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 08:11:43 -0800 (PST) From: Wireviews Subject: Re: A.C.Marias Mute have often had a strange policy of adding and deleting certain tracks on reissues, and I cannot comment on why certain ones disappeared from This Way to the Shivering Man. However, it's very unlikely that anything sinister was/is going on. In fact, a second ACM album (with Bruce producing once again) was flagged on Mute for release a few years back, and was simply put on hold due to work pressures to both parties. Craig/WV - --- Michel Faber wrote: > My Mute CD reissue of Bruce Gilbert's The Shivering > Man and This > Way LPs (combined as This Way To The Shivering Man) > goes for > just over 60 minutes - at least fifteen minutes > short of the maximum > CD capacity. Despite this, the compiler has omitted > several tracks - > and the casualties happen to be the ones on which > Angela Conway > featured prominently or co-composed. Thus the CD > sleeve, unlike > the LP, makes no mention of her, and even removes > the credit > 'typography by Angela Conway'! Is this > co-incidence, or something > more sinister? Apart from being aware that Colin > Newman and > Malka Spigel are partners, I know nothing of Wire's > personal > history. Did Gilbert and Conway perhaps have a > rancorous break- > up, causing him to try to erase her from his work? > Or did he just > axe those tracks because he felt they weren't right > for the 'flow' of > the CD? (Hard to believe, as they're superb.) ===== >>> Craig Grannell / Wireviews >>> Visit Wireviews at: http://welcome.to/wireviews http://www.snub.dircon.co.uk/wirehome.html >>> wireviews@yahoo.com >>> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 10:22:42 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Wire and OT Killing Joke question At 03:24 AM 01/30/2000 -0800, jasonmb@calweb.com wrote: >Hi everyone, > >I'm new to the list. I only have three Wire CDs so far: 154, IBTABA, and >the Life in the Manscape single, but I love them all. I can't wait to hear >the rest of their albums, and it looks like there's enough solo work from >Newman/Lewis/Gilbert/Gotobed to keep me busy for years. Favorite songs so >far: Eardrum Buzz (12" version), In Vivo, Life in the Manscape. Welcome to the list! I'd recommend CHAIRS MISSING and THE IDEAL COPY next, if you want to work backwards from 154 and IBTABA; my own favorite is A BELL IS A CUP, which I strongly prefer to the reworked versions on IBTABA, but your milage may vary... >I saw some discussion of Killing Joke a few digests ago, and I was >wondering, where can I find their song "A New Day"? I saw the video and >really liked the song, but I don't see it listed on any of their CDs. I've become a huge johnny-come-lately Killing Joke fan -- didn't get into them since 1994 -- so I've enjoyed seeing them come up as a topic on this list. "A New Day" indeed isn't on any of their albums; it was a 1984 single. I'd recommend picking up the WILFUL DAYS CD, which includes a mix of it and many other outstanding 12" mixes from the group -- in fact, I think WILFUL DAYS serves them better as a "best-of" than LAUGH? I NEARLY BOUGHT ONE! later, listowner Miles ====================================================== Miles Goosens UNlimited edition R. Stevie Moore CDs now available! http://www.rsteviemoore.com My personal website http://www.mindspring.com/~outdoorminer/miles "If a million people say a stupid thing, it is still a stupid thing." -- Anatole France ====================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 10:24:15 -0600 From: "MackDaddyD" Subject: Re: A.C.Marias I cannot speak to Bruce's personal life, but I seem to remember that the TWTTSM CD came out before the A C Marais album. And in my one fleeting brush with greatness , having a pint with Bruce in the smart basement bar of Cabaret Metro here in Chicago, he told me of a then impending A C Marais release, seemingly without rancour. I recall some nervousness about mastering CDs much longer than an hour in the early days, then 72 minutes became the limit, now 80. When will it end, when will it end. david > My Mute CD reissue of Bruce Gilbert's The Shivering Man and This > Way LPs (combined as This Way To The Shivering Man) goes for > just over 60 minutes - at least fifteen minutes short of the maximum > CD capacity. Despite this, the compiler has omitted several tracks - > and the casualties happen to be the ones on which Angela Conway > featured prominently or co-composed. Thus the CD sleeve, unlike > the LP, makes no mention of her, and even removes the credit > 'typography by Angela Conway'! Is this co-incidence, or something > more sinister? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 15:08:58 -0800 From: "John M Campbell" Subject: limitted edition rfh stuff Hi It's my understanding that the limitted edition 4 track cd will be available only at the show. This leaves us fans who find ourselves for, whatever reason, unable to attend somewhat out in the cold. I humbly suggest that WMO be allowed to offer this artifact to its circle of WIRE fans. I feel this to be eminently cool and fair while only slightly tarnishing the "limitted" cachet. The "Pink Flags" would be nice too since here in the US we'll be sweltering in election fever until Nov.and something less controversial ( or banal, as the case may be) than the stars and stripes or stars n' bars would be nice on the old lapel. honestly,Yer pal- johnc ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 23:29:25 -0000 From: "Mark McQuitty" Subject: pinkflag.com Just browsing past the WMO site today I spotted the following link... pinkflag.com the official wire web site, tour dates. Well I couldn't help myself, and I clicked on it... It's obviously in it's early stages, hence no launch yet, but it's looking good. There's a real nice 1999 photo of the band on the index page plus the details on the RFH night include some info about merchandise! So go check it out y'all. Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 12:15:20 -0600 From: Jorge Punaro Subject: RE: limitted edition rfh stuff I do agree, I hope WMO can obtain some copies of this cd to offer to the non-UK Wire fans. Saludos Jorge - -----Mensaje original----- De: John M Campbell Para: my dear friend Fecha: Domingo, 30 de Enero de 2000 11:38 a.m. Asunto: limitted edition rfh stuff >Hi > It's my understanding that the limitted edition 4 track cd will be >available only at the show. This leaves us fans who find ourselves for, >whatever reason, unable to attend somewhat out in the cold. I humbly >suggest that WMO be allowed to offer this artifact to its circle of WIRE >fans. I feel this to be eminently cool and fair while only slightly >tarnishing the "limitted" cachet. > The "Pink Flags" would be nice too since here in the US we'll be >sweltering in election fever until Nov.and something less controversial >( or banal, as the case may be) than the stars and stripes or stars n' >bars would be nice on the old lapel. > honestly,Yer pal- johnc ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 22:11:20 GMT From: pshaw@cave.net Subject: tour dates How can I get tickets to the Chicago show? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 10:24:19 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re: A.C.Marias i've got the 2 original albums not the cd and i thought cutting out "eline coutt ii" was a bizarre decision , one of my absolute fave bg tracks. as an aside , has anyone heard the acm track listed in kevin's book on some compilation. worth having? (as if you'd find it) p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: A.C.Marias Author: MIME:michelfaber@ablach.freeserve.co.uk at INTERNET Date: 30/01/2000 16:55 Dear Wire fans, My Mute CD reissue of Bruce Gilbert's The Shivering Man and This Way LPs (combined as This Way To The Shivering Man) goes for just over 60 minutes - at least fifteen minutes short of the maximum CD capacity. Despite this, the compiler has omitted several tracks - and the casualties happen to be the ones on which Angela Conway featured prominently or co-composed. Thus the CD sleeve, unlike the LP, makes no mention of her, and even removes the credit 'typography by Angela Conway'! Is this co-incidence, or something more sinister? Apart from being aware that Colin Newman and Malka Spigel are partners, I know nothing of Wire's personal history. Did Gilbert and Conway perhaps have a rancorous break- up, causing him to try to erase her from his work? Or did he just axe those tracks because he felt they weren't right for the 'flow' of the CD? (Hard to believe, as they're superb.) Can anyone enlighten me? Michel Faber michelfaber@ablach.freeserve.co.uk ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #19 ******************************