From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #10 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, January 19 2000 Volume 03 : Number 010 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: American new wave [Ian Grant ] RFH [John Roberts ] Re: RFH [Steve Finch ] RE: RFH [Stuart Fairbrother ] re: Re: RFH [Jack Steinmann ] Re[2]: RFH [Alan_Platten@ipc.co.uk] Re: RFH 26FEB Wire.format for gig? [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: RFH [Brian ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 11:05:17 +0000 From: Ian Grant Subject: Re: American new wave At 04:30 18/01/00 -0500, John wrote: >The fact is that I own just about every Fall released. Blimey, you must have a big house.... ;) >> I concur. Disposable dance-pop is way more bearable than the pretentious >> demeanor of seriousness and importance sported by most of the bands on >> Ray's list. > >Give me TLC's No Scrubs or Aqua's Barbie Girl to anything by Soundgarden >any day. Hurrah! In that case, I shall bite the bullet and admit that my carefully-constructed all-time top ten includes a Spice Girls song - "Two Become One", a gorgeous, sparkling glacial sweep of a record. Disposable? Only if sex and sunshine and chocolate and vodka are disposable too. Yeah, it's manufactured...which is probably why it doesn't sound as if it's ever been touched by the grubby hands of humans.... I find the column inches devoted to self-important guitar-wielders thoroughly depressing - I recently stopped buying Melody Maker simply because it continually insisted on referring to "our bands" and "our music", when most of what they were writing about was grey, dull, rubbish and nothing to do with me. Learning a few chords does not give you any natural connection with the human soul, working out a few clumsy rhymes does not make you a poet. There *are* great bands coming out of whichever scenes are represented on Ray's list - the Slipknot LP is an absolute tidal wave, or try genuinely impassioned metal bands like Sepultura, Soulfly or Kilgore (all influenced by Killing Joke, to refer back to an earlier discussion) - but they're the ones that know that seriousness is worthless if your record doesn't rock like a bastard as well. Much like Wire have always seemed to realise that cleverness is worthless if it doesn't work out a way of communicating with listeners. Cheers, ig. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 12:06:29 +0000 (GMT) From: John Roberts Subject: RFH So they ARE doing old stuff. Or did I miss any previous acknowledgments that this was the case? OK, what do we think they'll play? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 14:44:07 +0000 From: Steve Finch Subject: Re: RFH Well, all of Pink Flag will only take 35minutes!!! So I'll settle for that as starters!!! My personal favourite, and it's a tough call as there are so many masterpieces, would be '2 people in a room'. steve In message , John Roberts writes >So they ARE doing old stuff. Or did I miss any previous acknowledgments >that this was the case? > >OK, what do we think they'll play? > > - -- Steve finch ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:17:07 -0000 From: Stuart Fairbrother Subject: RE: RFH It'll be a 30 minute version of Former Airline - you mark my words! - -----Original Message----- From: Steve Finch [mailto:Steve@touchdown.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 2:44 PM To: John Roberts Cc: Ideal Copy Subject: Re: RFH Well, all of Pink Flag will only take 35minutes!!! So I'll settle for that as starters!!! My personal favourite, and it's a tough call as there are so many masterpieces, would be '2 people in a room'. steve In message , John Roberts writes >So they ARE doing old stuff. Or did I miss any previous acknowledgments >that this was the case? > >OK, what do we think they'll play? > > - -- Steve finch ------------------------------ Date: 18 Jan 00 09:41:48 -0600 From: Jack Steinmann Subject: re: Re: RFH Reply to: re: Re: RFH I was thinking exactly the same thing: 'Former Airline,' extended, as an encore. On 1/18/00, Steve Finch wrote: Well, all of Pink Flag will only take 35minutes!!! So I'll settle for that as starters!!! My personal favourite, and it's a tough call as there are so many masterpieces, would be '2 people in a room'. John Roberts writes >So they ARE doing old stuff. Or did I miss any previous acknowledgments >that this was the case? > >OK, what do we think they'll play? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:45:43 +0000 From: Alan_Platten@ipc.co.uk Subject: Re[2]: RFH ... as long as i get at least an hour's worth of 'drill' i'll be a happy man! alx _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: RE: RFH From: Stuart Fairbrother at INTERNET Date: 18/1/0 03:17 PM It'll be a 30 minute version of Former Airline - you mark my words! - -----Original Message----- From: Steve Finch [mailto:Steve@touchdown.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 2:44 PM To: John Roberts Cc: Ideal Copy Subject: Re: RFH Well, all of Pink Flag will only take 35minutes!!! So I'll settle for that as starters!!! My personal favourite, and it's a tough call as there are so many masterpieces, would be '2 people in a room'. steve In message , John Roberts writes >So they ARE doing old stuff. Or did I miss any previous acknowledgments >that this was the case? > >OK, what do we think they'll play? > > - -- Steve finch ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 20:15:00 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: RFH 26FEB Wire.format for gig? John, << I know a bloke who went to this gig as well. From what I remember he said they turned Alan McGhee away at the door cos the guess list was full. Isn't this the gig that turns up on the bootleg Come Back In Two Halves?>> Don't know...I have a tape bootleg somewhere. Starts with 'Ambulance Chasers' and ends with 'Up to the sun...' and contains eraly versions of Drill, Kidney Bingos etc. About six or seven songs in all... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 20:44:34 -0800 From: Brian Subject: Re: RFH I'm not sure, yeah Two People In a Room 45 times. Jack Steinmann wrote: > Reply to: re: Re: RFH > > I was thinking exactly the same thing: 'Former Airline,' extended, as an encore. > > On 1/18/00, Steve Finch wrote: > Well, all of Pink Flag will only take 35minutes!!! So I'll settle for > that as starters!!! > > My personal favourite, and it's a tough call as there are so many > masterpieces, would be '2 people in a room'. > > John Roberts writes > >So they ARE doing old stuff. Or did I miss any previous acknowledgments > >that this was the case? > > > >OK, what do we think they'll play? ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #10 ******************************