From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #9 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, January 18 2000 Volume 03 : Number 009 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Slade [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] RFH 26FEB Wire.format for gig? [Steve Finch ] RE: American new wave. [John Roberts ] Re: Slade [John Roberts ] Re: RFH 26FEB Wire.format for gig? [John Roberts ] Colin's past (wuz Slade) [Mark Short ] Re: RFH 26FEB Wire.format for gig? [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: Colin's past (wuz Slade) [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: Colin's past (wuz Slade) ["Uri Baran" ] Wire bit in NME... [Dave Walker ] Re: Wire bit in NME... ["tube disaster" ] Re: Colin's past (wuz Slade) [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re[2]: Slade [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 10:26:59 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re: Slade i asked a similar question about a year ago and nobody responded. i was looking at a slade greatest hits album and it seemed to be saying that slade and colin were sharing the same management. which seemed a bit unlikely but who knows? p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Slade Author: MIME:smj@zen.co.uk at INTERNET Date: 16/01/2000 11:53 Errr...whilst trawling the web to find out the name of a Slade song that contains the line "see chameleon..." (Any ideas?) I came across this, which is apparently on the sleeve of "You Boyz make Big Noize"....
Any relation? Steve. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ No room to move, no room for doubt. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 12:14:11 +0000 From: Steve Finch Subject: RFH 26FEB Wire.format for gig? Hi I've recently subscribed to this group, so I don't know if this is old ground or not. I note a lot of the correspondence is from the USA, it's good to know that they are so widely appreciated, the following query is aimed more at the UK side, however. Having seen Wire years ago at the Jeanette Cochran theatre in London..I guess it was early 1980's..quite a bizarre gig format, I'm wondering if anyone knows what to expect with the one at the Royal Festival Hall next month? Did any other subscribers go to this particular concert at the JCT?? The gig I saw involved playlets by each member of the band and a brief set of, at the time, completely unknown material . The playlets involved bizarre things..most memorable being 13 lead guitarists on stage dressed in black thrashing away(I think that was Colin's playlet?) They also videoed the audience as they walked through the foyer into the theatre and then -with a 5 minute time delay- you saw yourself on the big screen at the front/stage walking in and sitting down!! With Wire, I guess it's probably a case of expect the unexpected!! I guess quite a lot of you are going to attend the RFH gig..should be very interesting... Steve - -- Steve Finch ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 12:53:01 +0000 (GMT) From: John Roberts Subject: RE: American new wave. > I'm sure that many of us have three or four bands we'd pull off Ray's list, > whether we like 'em or not -- I loathe Pavement, but "indistinguishable" is > about the last adjective I'd hurl at them, and I rarely hear them on The fact is that I own just about every Fall released. You don't need Pavement after that. > > I concur. Disposable dance-pop is way more bearable than the pretentious > demeanor of seriousness and importance sported by most of the bands on > Ray's list. Give me TLC's No Scrubs or Aqua's Barbie Girl to anything by Soundgarden any day. > And looking over Ray's list, I find confirmation for my long-standing > theory that when people tell you they hate Pearl Jam or Nine Inch Nails, > two bands which I personally like fine, they're reacting less to the bands > themselves than to the horde of second-rate imitators which exploit the > former artists' commercial breakthroughs and then flood the airwaves. It's > Seven Mary Three and Filter that are *really* putting people off, IMO, > though the former bands can't help but get their feet caught in the sludge. Well, you might as well say that when people tell you they hate Pearl Jam and NIN what they are really saying is that they remember Neil Young and Throbbing Gristle. I know I do. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 13:09:05 +0000 (GMT) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: Slade This was the Slade short term revival wasn't it? I suspect that those of you out of the UK won't have the foggiest who Slade are but to suffice they started out as a skinhead band in the late 60s/early 70s, very q became glam and then reinvented themselves as a 'proper' rock group in the early 80s including special guest slot at Reading Festival (before it became the socalled alternative festival that it is now). Dunno about the management links (didn't they have something to do with Chas Chandler?) but I remember they were signed to a label called Cheapskate for their Run Runaway/We'll Bring the House Down period. I can't help but feel that disclosing this information is going to make me look a little sad in the context of a Wire email group but what the hell... On Mon, 17 Jan 2000 paul.rabjohn@ssab.com wrote: > i asked a similar question about a year ago and nobody responded. i was looking at a slade greatest hits album and it seemed to be saying that slade and colin were sharing the same management. which seemed a bit unlikely but who knows? p > > > ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > Subject: Slade > Author: MIME:smj@zen.co.uk at INTERNET > Date: 16/01/2000 11:53 > > > Errr...whilst trawling the web to find out the name of a Slade song that contains the line "see chameleon..." (Any ideas?) I came across this, which is apparently on the sleeve of "You Boyz make Big Noize".... > >
Special thanks to Colin Newman, all at RCA, Betty at Wessex for the album title and all you lot who made 21 years of noize great fun > > > Any relation? > > > Steve. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ No room to move, no room for doubt. > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 13:18:16 +0000 (GMT) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: RFH 26FEB Wire.format for gig? The few occasions I've seen them they have played under bright white lights as if they are an art gallery exhibit. The Manchester gig of the Manscape tour they played under very little lighting. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 13:23:54 +0000 From: Mark Short Subject: Colin's past (wuz Slade) Reading the posts about Colin's hidden links with Slade reminded me of an item in the NME circa 1979, which pictured Colin a few years earlier, wearing Oxford bags and a sweater. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 09:12:50 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: RFH 26FEB Wire.format for gig? John, << The few occasions I've seen them they have played under bright white lights as if they are an art gallery exhibit. The Manchester gig of the Manscape tour they played under very little lighting. >> Indeed. The last time they reformed (Oxford Museum of Modern Art) they actually played in an art gallery. With the house lights on full throughout. Incidentally, that gig was filmed - there were at least two cameramen with pro gear from what I remember...I thought at the time that it was going to be released as a video...a sort of follow up to Document & Eyewitness (which was the previous Wire gig!) Anybody know what happened to the video tape? I'd love to see it (especially as I was standing right at the front!!!) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 09:15:09 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Colin's past (wuz Slade) << Reading the posts about Colin's hidden links with Slade reminded me of an item in the NME circa 1979, which pictured Colin a few years earlier, wearing Oxford bags and a sweater. >> Remember that one! Looked like a northern soulie!!! With casual fag in hand as well....I remember thinking at the time that it was a conceptual Wire joke....as if they took the picture especially for 'Blackmail Corner'! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 17:25:24 -0800 From: "Uri Baran" Subject: Re: Colin's past (wuz Slade) I remember that one. I have it around somewhere. Most notably,Colin has long hair!! Perhaps he was in Slade at the time. Uri - -----Original Message----- From: Mark Short To: idealcopy@smoe.org Date: Monday, January 17, 2000 5:27 AM Subject: Colin's past (wuz Slade) >Reading the posts about Colin's hidden links with Slade reminded me of an item >in the NME circa 1979, which pictured Colin a few years earlier, wearing Oxford >bags and a sweater. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 20:25:11 -0500 From: Dave Walker Subject: Wire bit in NME... ..at this URL. Includes a few words from Bruce, including talk of recording. http://www.nme.com/newsdesk/20000116120024.html -d.w. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 00:33:54 -0800 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: Wire bit in NME... >..at this URL. > >Includes a few words from Bruce, including talk of >recording. > >http://www.nme.com/newsdesk/20000116120024.html > > -d.w. For anyone not up to hitting that link, here's the piece (which lets me know that not only am I not going to see this show, I'm going to miss the giveaway CD as well .. whoopee!) -- Dan WIRE GIVE NEW YEAR PRESENCE! Legendary art punk pioneers WIRE will give away brand new material on a limited edition CD when they play their first show for ten years at London's South Bank Royal Festival Hall on February 26. The CD will contain recordings from recent rehersal sessions where the band ran through old material and jammed on some new songs. It's likely Wire will be giving away three new tracks in all, but it's unlikely they'll appear as a commercial release through a record company. Explaining the decision to reform after ten years, Wire guitarist Bruce Gilbert told nme.com: "We were offered a night by the South Bank people and after a discussion everybody was sufficiently fascinated to look into it." "We've had a bit of a 'kick-about' rehersal for three days just to check that the spirit was still there - if not the ability." "There definitely was which made us all more confident about it. Maybe three brand new things which will come out of the rehersals." "The rest of it will be some very old stuff. This is a retrospective view and it's something that we've never done before, which is a good enough reason for us to do it. We've never really played our back catalogue." During the Wire gig, friend and collaborator of the band Michael Clark will stage a new choreographed 'dance' performance to two old Wire tracks. The title and details of the performance are still to be finalised but Gilbert revealed: "I think it will involve two tracks, one will collapse at his intervention and another one will emerge from the debris. It's all about collapse and then re-emergence." Gilbert also spoke of the 1995 dispute between Wire and Elastica which ended up with Justine Frischmann & co settling out of court with the band over the similarities between Wire's'Three Girl Rhumba' and Elastica's 'Connected'. The guitarist said: "That was a business thing it's do with publishing companies and they had to protect certain things over that." "Personally I have absolutely no problems with Justine or the Elastica project and I like the music." "It's fascinating to some degree - it has to be flattering, really it's quite curious. But if Wire did have an influence I'd rather it be from an attitude point of view rather than from a musical point of view." You can get tickets for Wire's Royal Festival Hall show from the box office on 0171 960 4242 or from the internet at www.sbc.org.uk - click here - sbc.org.uk In the meantime, Bruce and Wire bassist Graham Lewis will host a sound installation at Oxford's Museum Of Modern Art from January 23. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 15:38:30 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re: Colin's past (wuz Slade) sounds like something that deserves a wider audience to me. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Colin's past (wuz Slade) Author: MIME:mshort@lucent.com at INTERNET Date: 17/01/2000 15:30 Reading the posts about Colin's hidden links with Slade reminded me of an item in the NME circa 1979, which pictured Colin a few years earlier, wearing Oxford bags and a sweater. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 15:34:35 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: Slade i think if you were a kid in the early 70's (like i was) then you look back at stuff like bolan/slade/sweet with a lot of affection ; it was all tongue in cheek and unpretentious fun. (shame about gary glitter , who'd have thought it eh?) as an irrelevant aside , "merry xmas" by slade was the first record i ever bought (and the last by them actually). the hits album i saw colin mentioned on must have been one released to cash in on the run runaway "comeback". if this is true you wonder what slade made of "commercial suicide" or "it seems" ; can't quite see noddy being too influenced by those........ p This was the Slade short term revival wasn't it? I suspect that those of you out of the UK won't have the foggiest who Slade are but to suffice they started out as a skinhead band in the late 60s/early 70s, very q became glam and then reinvented themselves as a 'proper' rock group in the early 80s including special guest slot at Reading Festival (before it became the socalled alternative festival that it is now). Dunno about the management links (didn't they have something to do with Chas Chandler?) but I remember they were signed to a label called Cheapskate for their Run Runaway/We'll Bring the House Down period. I can't help but feel that disclosing this information is going to make me look a little sad in the context of a Wire email group but what the hell... On Mon, 17 Jan 2000 paul.rabjohn@ssab.com wrote: > i asked a similar question about a year ago and nobody responded. i was looking at a slade greatest hits album and it seemed to be saying that slade and colin were sharing the same management. which seemed a bit unlikely but who knows? p ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #9 *****************************