From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V3 #5 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, January 12 2000 Volume 03 : Number 005 Today's Subjects: ----------------- goth (cont) [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re: spizzenergi and UK NEW WAVE [radareyes@webtv.net] Re[2]: spizzenergi and UK NEW WAVE [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re: Re[2]: spizzenergi and UK NEW WAVE [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: Wire/Goth connection [Max Schmid ] Re: spizzenergi and UK NEW WAVE [Obie ] Re: spizzenergi and UK NEW WAVE [Obie ] Are We Not Men?/AFOS-the final [BillyD ] Re: Wire/Goth connection ["tube disaster" ] Spizz ["Wilson, Paul" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 10:30:09 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: goth (cont) the wire/goth link just hit me. the first time i ever heard minimal compact was "the traitor" which someone put on a goth tape for me some time in the 80's , mc used to be lumped in with things like dead can dance / modern english by some people. i suppose they had the "gloomy" vocals you expect from goths and i think the fact they were a bit foreign and a bit obscure sort of helped ; they never had much of a profile in the uk and i think goth types like their bands pretty underground. so maybe producing raging souls was colin's "goth period". or not.p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 03:55:23 -0600 (CST) From: radareyes@webtv.net Subject: Re: spizzenergi and UK NEW WAVE Apparentely you never heard of Suicide, The Feelies, James Chance & The Controtions, Chrome, Sonic Youth, Television, Pere Ubu, Half Japanese, Alan Vega, Modern Lovers, Von Lomo, Teenage Jesus, Negativeland, Glenn Branca, Richard Hell, etc. etc... And so many others more........................................................................................................................ radareyes _______________________)))))))_________ (jay wrote)- Why did the British have such better new wave bands? Gawd I just cringe when I hear Blondie and Devo ... especially the Cars. We never get near Wire? sigh JAY ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 11:12:50 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: spizzenergi and UK NEW WAVE not so sure about putting the feelies in a list between suicide and sonic youth. weren't they sort of "power-pop" (yuk) p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: spizzenergi and UK NEW WAVE Author: MIME:radareyes@webtv.net at INTERNET Date: 11/01/2000 10:59 Apparentely you never heard of Suicide, The Feelies, James Chance & The Controtions, Chrome, Sonic Youth, Television, Pere Ubu, Half Japanese, Alan Vega, Modern Lovers, Von Lomo, Teenage Jesus, Negativeland, Glenn Branca, Richard Hell, etc. etc... And so many others more.......................................................................... .............................................. radareyes _______________________)))))))_________ (jay wrote)- Why did the British have such better new wave bands? Gawd I just cringe when I hear Blondie and Devo ... especially the Cars. We never get near Wire? sigh JAY ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 08:41:48 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: spizzenergi and UK NEW WAVE Paul, >>not so sure about putting the feelies in a list between suicide and sonic youth. weren't they sort of "power-pop" (yuk) p<< Ye gods no!!! Feelies are "pop", but in the most deliciously skewed way. The Crazy Rhythms album is an absolute classic. And so is the cover - rock'n'roll geeks! And the only band I've ever seen who could fade themselves out live... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 09:31:14 -0500 From: Max Schmid Subject: Re: Wire/Goth connection At 04:30 AM 1/11/2000 -0500, you wrote: >I think KJ attracted a considerably more gothier audience than Wire ever >did. I thought it was quite interesting when someone on this list said >that certain Wire tracks had appeared on Goth comps because I must admit I >never viewed Wire like this even though I was a huge Killing Joke fan when >I was younger. I think the reference was to the Colin Newman-produced Virgin Prunes tracks that were on the Cleopatra Goth compilations. Gothic Rock Volume One has "Pagan Love Song" and V2 has "Baby Turns Blue". ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 09:04:31 -0800 From: Obie Subject: Re: spizzenergi and UK NEW WAVE I really have to disagree. You might want to listen to "Are we not men" and "freedom of choice" by DEVO again, brilliant! Blondie and the Cars ,I'm not that big on , but Talking heads ,'77 , speaking in tongues , remain in light . Those are classic , distinctly "American" New wave records. If anything, those two bands are in the same "league" as Wire. IMHO For me: UK = Wire and Gang of Four , US = Devo and Talking Heads. Vinylecho@aol.com wrote: > > Why did the British have such better new wave bands? Gawd I just cringe when I hear Blondie and Devo ... > especially the Cars. > > We never get near Wire? > > sigh > JAY - -- **************************** Obie Sanders/ System Administrator ADN - --------------------------- osanders@adnc.com/ext.273 **************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 09:11:11 -0800 From: Obie Subject: Re: spizzenergi and UK NEW WAVE Does Negativeland count as a "band"? man , I love "Escape from noise"! radareyes@webtv.net wrote: > > Apparentely you never heard of Suicide, The Feelies, James Chance & The > Controtions, Chrome, Sonic Youth, Television, Pere Ubu, Half Japanese, > Alan Vega, Modern Lovers, Von Lomo, Teenage Jesus, Negativeland, - -- **************************** Obie Sanders/ System Administrator ADN - --------------------------- osanders@adnc.com/ext.273 **************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 09:32:58 -0800 (PST) From: BillyD Subject: Are We Not Men?/AFOS-the final DEVO were always a little too strange to be accepted by the mainstream at least in the US. Sure, they had a hit, but it seems as though most bands did. I saw DEVO in 1988, long after their commercial peak and they just didn't have the same spark of non-conformity. Their first album still stands out. The Cars always wanted to be popular and eventually they were, but the music suffered in the process. I appreciate Talking Heads now more than then especially after the Brilliant reissue of 'Stop Making Sense'. Blondie-some bands should stay un-reunited. They were great twenty years ago. I got the AFOS 12" from the remix album. It's not that good and the vocals sound re-recorded. Gotta get back to lunch... Cheers, Billy ===== . ./\/\/\. [ . . ] /\ -- -Get Well Sammy! (R)SOT Ltd. http://depechemode.acmecity.com/freestate/54 http://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 00:47:14 -0800 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: Wire/Goth connection >At 04:30 AM 1/11/2000 -0500, you wrote: > >>I think KJ attracted a considerably more gothier audience than Wire ever >>did. I thought it was quite interesting when someone on this list said >>that certain Wire tracks had appeared on Goth comps because I must admit I >>never viewed Wire like this even though I was a huge Killing Joke fan when >>I was younger. > >I think the reference was to the Colin Newman-produced Virgin Prunes tracks >that were on the Cleopatra Goth compilations. Gothic Rock Volume One has >"Pagan Love Song" and V2 has "Baby Turns Blue". Actually, I Should Have Known Better appears on a recent goth comp ... can't remember the title, but I saw it in the store a few weeks ago. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 07:54:14 -0000 From: "Wilson, Paul" Subject: Spizz There are more incarnations / name changes for Spizz, than the ones previously reported. It is true that the name changes were usually an annual occurrence, but not always. 1978 SPIZZOIL 1979 SPIZZENERGI 1980 ATHLETICAO SPIZZ 80 1981 THE SPIZZLES 1981 SPIZZ HISTORY (used for a retrospective album only) 1982 SPIZZENERGI:2 1987 SPIZZ 1988 SPIZZ ORBIT 1994 SPIZZMAS (used for a Christmas single only) There were possibly other names used, but these are names used at the times of releases. Paul KW ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V3 #5 *****************************