From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V2 #257 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, January 5 2000 Volume 02 : Number 257 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RFH [Wireviews ] Re: RFH [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re: Magazine et al. [Mark Short ] Re: Magazine et al. ["Stephen Jackson" ] Re: RFH ["Stephen Jackson" ] Re[2]: Magazine et al. [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re[2]: RFH [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Fw: RFH ["Solandra" ] Re: Fw: RFH [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] producers [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re: Magazine et al. [Mark Short ] Re: producers [jerry.butson@emimusic.com (jerry butson)] Re: producers [Mark Short ] Re: producers [Alan_Platten@ipc.co.uk] Re[2]: producers [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re[2]: Magazine et al. [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re: Mike Thorne work (selected) / production [Wireviews ] producers v engineers v artists ["MackDaddyD" ] Re: Re[2]: Magazine et al. ["Stephen Jackson" ] Re: Re[2]: Magazine et al. ["MackDaddyD" ] Re[4]: Magazine et al. [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 02:08:53 -0800 (PST) From: Wireviews Subject: RFH Well, the RFH gig has finally made it on to their web-site. We should be told, however, why Wire have dropped their special guests for some equally special gusets. How odd. :-) " Wire and Special Gusets Royal Festival Hall Sat 26 Feb 7:30pm £18 (cdefglmpstu) £16 (bhjnv) £14 (kor) Are You Experienced? The Living Legends They put the art into punk, produced some of the '80s most arresting, pop fuelled music and have influenced a new generation of British bands. Ask Blur and Elastica about the greatness of WIRE. Then buy tickets for this once in a lifetime experience. £18 (cdefglmpstu) £16 (bhjnv) £14 (kor) *SBC(charity) " Order on-line @ http://www.sbc.org.uk/music/sub_music/performance/54545?version=1 C ===== >>> Craig Grannell / Wireviews >>> Visit Wireviews at: http://welcome.to/wireviews http://www.snub.dircon.co.uk/wirehome.html >>> wireviews@yahoo.com >>> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 11:36:36 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re: RFH they ran an ad in the nme and the line up was ; wire michael clark immersion he said dj x dj (daniel miller + someone else) "surprise guests" so we seem to have lost dome , duet emmo and the band of susans but gained a few extras. far be it for me to say if this is a victory or a loss? and a happy new year to you all. i'll ask an off-topic question that bugged me over xmas. i got bought a copy of the magazine "rays and hail" compilation which says how great all 4 albums were and promptly takes 4 tracks each off the first 3 and just one off the last one. is the final album any good? how about "play"? must admit these 2 have never made it onto my turntable and i was curious. good to see pink flag in record collectors all-time punk top 10 (between "bollocks" and "another music" , an excellent place to be). no disputes there then.p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: RFH Author: MIME:wireviews@yahoo.com at INTERNET Date: 04/01/2000 11:11 Well, the RFH gig has finally made it on to their web-site. We should be told, however, why Wire have dropped their special guests for some equally special gusets. How odd. :-) " Wire and Special Gusets Royal Festival Hall Sat 26 Feb 7:30pm £18 (cdefglmpstu) £16 (bhjnv) £14 (kor) Are You Experienced? The Living Legends They put the art into punk, produced some of the '80s most arresting, pop fuelled music and have influenced a new generation of British bands. Ask Blur and Elastica about the greatness of WIRE. Then buy tickets for this once in a lifetime experience. £18 (cdefglmpstu) £16 (bhjnv) £14 (kor) *SBC(charity) " Order on-line @ http://www.sbc.org.uk/music/sub_music/performance/54545?version=1 C ===== >>> Craig Grannell / Wireviews >>> Visit Wireviews at: http://welcome.to/wireviews http://www.snub.dircon.co.uk/wirehome.html >>> wireviews@yahoo.com >>> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 11:06:06 +0000 From: Mark Short Subject: Re: Magazine et al. paul.rabjohn@ssab.com wrote: > > well it only took me a month but i finally sneaked a peep at the magazine page. pretty good really. i'm still trying (and failing) to get a copy of the "dominoe" split wire/magazine bootleg , the magazine site says its australian (surprisingly) but no more than that. does anyone own this or has actually heard it? seems a bit mythical.... > > for what its worth i could never rate the "punk era" xtc in the same league as wire or magazine ; to me they were lightweight and trying far too hard. they worked a lot better as a pop group with things like "generals and majors" , i think they were a bit "nice" to be punk rockers. A little harsh. XTC were never going to mine the same seam that yielded "A Mutual Friend", but until they got shot of Barry Andrews they had a manic edge that made them interesting. Also, Andy Partridge's dub experiments were (for their time) quite adventurous. Things got pretty dreary after "Drums And Wires", although their latest offering, "Apples And Venus", is worthwhile. > > i always associate john leckie with quite "straight" acts like the stone roses , interesting to see how he might have "polished up" wire. or would it have ended in tears......p Didn't Leckie produce PIL's Metal Box? > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 11:32:36 -0000 From: "Stephen Jackson" Subject: Re: Magazine et al. Things got pretty dreary after "Drums And Wires", >although their latest offering, Are you kidding? The following album (Black Sea) was amongst their best, and was far superior than Drums and Wires. The Dukes of Stratosphear (sic) stuff is excellent too! Opinions, I know. Steve. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ No room to move, no room for doubt. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 11:37:16 -0000 From: "Stephen Jackson" Subject: Re: RFH >and a happy new year to you all. i'll ask an off-topic question that bugged me over xmas. i got bought a copy of the magazine "rays and hail" compilation which says how great all 4 albums were and promptly takes 4 tracks each off the first 3 and just one off the last one. is the final album any good? how about "play"? must admit these 2 have never made it onto my turntable and i was curious. Play is certainly not worth buying, the lacklustre album it is. I quite like Magic, Murder and the Weather, but it's not a patch on the other 3. You still might like it though. Lyrics are interesting, nice melodies, 'quirky' but missing the supreme guitar talents of John McGeoch, who had left for the Banshees by then. You might also be interested in "Scree", a B sides collection... Steve. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ No room to move, no room for doubt. > > > >C > > > >===== >>>> Craig Grannell / Wireviews >>> > >Visit Wireviews at: >http://welcome.to/wireviews >http://www.snub.dircon.co.uk/wirehome.html > >>>> wireviews@yahoo.com >>> >__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 12:42:46 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: Magazine et al. .... > > for what its worth i could never rate the "punk era" xtc in the same league as wire or magazine ; to me they were lightweight and trying far too hard. they worked a lot better as a pop group with things like "generals and majors" , i think they were a bit "nice" to be punk rockers. A little harsh. XTC were never going to mine the same seam that yielded "A Mutual Friend", but until they got shot of Barry Andrews they had a manic edge that made them interesting. Also, Andy Partridge's dub experiments were (for their time) quite adventurous. Things got pretty dreary after "Drums And Wires", although their latest offering, "Apples And Venus", is worthwhile >>>>i actually played go2 yesterday , its ok but sorry i can't rate it that highly. i agree barry andrews was a talent , i love the "paranoiac" single and a lot of the early shriekback stuff way more than anything xtc ever came up with. i think i actually prefer the xtc pop hits to their early quirkier stuff. . > > i always associate john leckie with quite "straight" acts like the stone roses , interesting to see how he might have "polished up" wire. or would it have ended in tears......p Didn't Leckie produce PIL's Metal Box? > >>>> well i might be wrong but i think that was self-produced. he did a lot of the virgin new wave acts like skids/magazine/xtc but i don't think metal box. maybe the 1st album? i shall go look them up tonight.p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 12:46:53 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: RFH Play is certainly not worth buying, the lacklustre album it is. I quite like Magic, Murder and the Weather, but it's not a patch on the other 3. You still might like it though. Lyrics are interesting, nice melodies, 'quirky' but missing the supreme guitar talents of John McGeoch, who had left for the Banshees by then. You might also be interested in "Scree", a B sides collection... Steve. is scree on virgin? and is the live version of "parade" at the end of "h&r" taken off "play"? i recall play getting slagged at the time and nobody i knew ever bought it. as "dominoe" is allegedly australian i guess it might be off the same tour as play? mmatw is one i've not seen in years although i seem to recall good reviews.p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 23:17:26 +1100 From: "Solandra" Subject: Fw: RFH Will somebody be videoing the show on the night by any chance?I'd love to come to over to England to see the show but back here in Oz ,the company I work for won't let me take time off in that period. Cheers - -Alex - ---------- From: Wireviews To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: RFH Date: Tuesday, 4 January 2000 21:08 Well, the RFH gig has finally made it on to their web-site. We should be told, however, why Wire have dropped their special guests for some equally special gusets. How odd. :-) " Wire and Special Gusets Royal Festival Hall Sat 26 Feb 7:30pm £18 (cdefglmpstu) £16 (bhjnv) £14 (kor) Are You Experienced? The Living Legends They put the art into punk, produced some of the '80s most arresting, pop fuelled music and have influenced a new generation of British bands. Ask Blur and Elastica about the greatness of WIRE. Then buy tickets for this once in a lifetime experience. £18 (cdefglmpstu) £16 (bhjnv) £14 (kor) *SBC(charity) " Order on-line @ http://www.sbc.org.uk/music/sub_music/performance/54545?version=1 C ===== >>> Craig Grannell / Wireviews >>> Visit Wireviews at: http://welcome.to/wireviews http://www.snub.dircon.co.uk/wirehome.html >>> wireviews@yahoo.com >>> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com - ---------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 13:42:00 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re: Fw: RFH hopefully a similar film to the wir gig is under consideration....... ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Fw: RFH Author: MIME:solandra@bigpond.com at INTERNET Date: 04/01/2000 13:34 Will somebody be videoing the show on the night by any chance?I'd love to come to over to England to see the show but back here in Oz ,the company I work for won't let me take time off in that period. Cheers - -Alex - ---------- From: Wireviews To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: RFH Date: Tuesday, 4 January 2000 21:08 Well, the RFH gig has finally made it on to their web-site. We should be told, however, why Wire have dropped their special guests for some equally special gusets. How odd. :-) " Wire and Special Gusets Royal Festival Hall Sat 26 Feb 7:30pm £18 (cdefglmpstu) £16 (bhjnv) £14 (kor) Are You Experienced? The Living Legends They put the art into punk, produced some of the '80s most arresting, pop fuelled music and have influenced a new generation of British bands. Ask Blur and Elastica about the greatness of WIRE. Then buy tickets for this once in a lifetime experience. £18 (cdefglmpstu) £16 (bhjnv) £14 (kor) *SBC(charity) " Order on-line @ http://www.sbc.org.uk/music/sub_music/performance/54545?version=1 C ===== >>> Craig Grannell / Wireviews >>> Visit Wireviews at: http://welcome.to/wireviews http://www.snub.dircon.co.uk/wirehome.html >>> wireviews@yahoo.com >>> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com - ---------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 15:26:22 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: producers talking of john leckie made me think of wire and producers. given that during the "time off" (80-86) colin , bruce and graham did a lot of producing i wonder why they never really tried to self-produce. a need for a referee maybe? whereas i can immediately think of a lot of other stuff mike thorne did , the guys they used in the 80's were not particularly big names (gareth jones , paul kendall , david allen , rico conning come to mind). in fact i can't think of much else any of them did (were they in with other mute acts?). anyone know what these people did before and after their wire work? p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 15:13:47 +0000 From: Mark Short Subject: Re: Magazine et al. paul.rabjohn@ssab.com wrote: > > >>>>i actually played go2 yesterday , its ok but sorry i can't rate it that highly. i agree barry andrews was a talent , i love the "paranoiac" single and a > lot of the early shriekback stuff way more than anything xtc ever came up with. i think i actually prefer the xtc pop hits to their early quirkier stuff. > Is "Paranoiac" available on CD? It must be nearly 20 years since I last heard it (but was too skint to buy it), and the chorus is still with me. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 15:10:54 +0000 From: jerry.butson@emimusic.com (jerry butson) Subject: Re: producers - --IMA.Boundary.7633645190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Most of these were/are Mute's favoured/in-house production team. Gareth Jones has engineered much of Depeche Mode's output, Paul Kendall (or 'PK') has produced, engineered and performed with many a Mute signing, Rico Conning likewise. David Allen has produced quite a lot of The Cire's recent output among many others. j ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: producers Author: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com at X-MAIL Date: 04/01/00 15:26 talking of john leckie made me think of wire and producers. given that during the "time off" (80-86) colin , bruce and graham did a lot of producing i wonder why they never really tried to self-produce. a need for a referee maybe? whereas i can immediately think of a lot of other stuff mike thorne did , the guys they used in the 80's were not particularly big names (gareth jones , paul kendall , david allen , rico conning come to mind). in fact i can't think of much else any of them did (were they in with other mute acts?). anyone know what these people did before and after their wire work? p - --IMA.Boundary.7633645190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net ([24.128.1.70]) by vmailntwks10.trinite.co.uk with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 3.13) id 003269AE; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:35:54 +0000 Received: from smoe.org (jane.smoe.org [24.30.216.55]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA25774; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 09:30:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id JAA23166; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 09:29:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 4 Jan 2000 09:29:26 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id JAA23132 for idealcopy-outgoing; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 09:28:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.udac.net (smtp-back.udac.net [193.44.79.123]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-jane) with ESMTP id JAA23127 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 09:28:26 -0500 (EST) From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Received: from lpd2.udac.se (mail2-back.udac.net [192.36.179.11]) by smtp.udac.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA00630 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 15:29:00 +0100 Received: from uucp1.udac.net (uucp3-back.udac.net [192.36.179.12] (may be forged)) by mail2.udac.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA23561 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 15:28:53 +0100 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by uucp1.udac.net (8.8.6/8.8.0) with UUCP id PAA05324 for idealcopy@smoe.org; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 15:28:15 +0100 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 15:26:22 +0100 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: producers MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: TFS Secure Messaging /222000000/222020954/222002769/222100545/ X-Mailer: Version 4 Build 211 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by smoe.org id JAA23128 Sender: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org Precedence: bulk - --IMA.Boundary.7633645190-- . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 15:21:05 +0000 From: Mark Short Subject: Re: producers paul.rabjohn@ssab.com wrote: > > talking of john leckie made me think of wire and producers. given that during the "time off" (80-86) colin , bruce and graham did a lot of producing i wonder why they never really tried to self-produce. a need for a referee maybe? > > whereas i can immediately think of a lot of other stuff mike thorne did , the guys they used in the 80's were not particularly big names (gareth jones , paul kendall , david allen , rico conning come to mind). in fact i can't think of much else any of them did (were they in with other mute acts?). anyone know what these people did before and after their wire work? p Was Mike Thorne a big name producer before his work with Wire? He hasn't done a great deal post-Wire that I can think of, except a John Cale LP. I think Paul Kendall owned a studio which was used a lot by Mute. IMHO the production on the Harvest Wire albums is better than the Mute product. The Mute work sounds very 80's, whereas the Harvest albums sound very, er. Wire. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 15:13:56 +0000 From: Alan_Platten@ipc.co.uk Subject: Re: producers ... was'nt paul kendall 'piquet' (pk) ? (...who played live with wir at the 'i saw you' event). ... gareth jones has worked with daniel miller frequently (producing and remixing depeche mode and various other mute acts) ... rico conning has worked with s'express and william orbit happy new year... alanx _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: producers From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com at INTERNET Date: 4/1/0 03:26 PM talking of john leckie made me think of wire and producers. given that during the "time off" (80-86) colin , bruce and graham did a lot of producing i wonder why they never really tried to self-produce. a need for a referee maybe? whereas i can immediately think of a lot of other stuff mike thorne did , the guys they used in the 80's were not particularly big names (gareth jones , paul kendall , david allen , rico conning come to mind). in fact i can't think of much else any of them did (were they in with other mute acts?). anyone know what these people did before and after their wire work? p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 17:17:08 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: producers Was Mike Thorne a big name producer before his work with Wire? He hasn't done a great deal post-Wire that I can think of, except a John Cale LP. I think Paul Kendall owned a studio which was used a lot by Mute. IMHO the production on the Harvest Wire albums is better than the Mute product. The Mute work sounds very 80's, whereas the Harvest albums sound very, er. Wire. >>>> mike thorne's 2 big earners were soft cell (first 2 albums) and bronski beat. he was interviewed on tv recently talking about soft cell , i guess "tainted love" probably set him up very nicely. pre-wire he did some stuff with gryphon (allegedly very funny prog rock) and the roxy lp. post-wire he did telephone and b-movie i can think of , i'm sure there must've been loads more on the back of soft cell.agreed his wire work was first rate and i can't recall a criticism of it whereas many folks don't like the 80's producers wire used for numerous reasons. all taste i guess.p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 17:16:45 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: Magazine et al. i've got it as a 7" single , i think it was his only solo release so i guess your only chance would be if it was on a compilation cd. i'll tape it if you'd like , you rarely see it and it sells for quite a lot. anne nightingale always used to play it which is how it got "famous" i think. actually as i write this i remember another ba single called "town and country" with a squashed mouse on the cover. never heard that one though.p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Magazine et al. Author: MIME:mshort@lucent.com at INTERNET Date: 04/01/2000 16:15 paul.rabjohn@ssab.com wrote: > > >>>>i actually played go2 yesterday , its ok but sorry i can't rate it that highly. i agree barry andrews was a talent , i love the "paranoiac" single and a > lot of the early shriekback stuff way more than anything xtc ever came up with. i think i actually prefer the xtc pop hits to their early quirkier stuff. > Is "Paranoiac" available on CD? It must be nearly 20 years since I last heard it (but was too skint to buy it), and the chorus is still with me. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 08:27:06 -0800 (PST) From: Wireviews Subject: Re: Mike Thorne work (selected) / production - --- Mark Short wrote: > The Mute work sounds very 80's, whereas the Harvest > albums sound very, er. Wire. I would dispute this point, or at least half of it. Sure, the Mute albums are often products of the '80s, but Pink Flag is very obviously a late '70s punk album, no matter how skewed it tries to be, and both 154 and Chairs Missing sound like late '70s New Wave for the most part. Pretty much all their stuff has the Wire stamp though - compare the likes of Ahead to mainstream rivals such as New Order. Sure, the technology may be similar, but the way it's put together certainly isn't! Wire's production was much better in the '70s though - it's pretty obvious that Manscape, Bell, and First Letter would have benefited from more skewed values in this area, something that has become apparent within the recent solo projects which follow those threads but mess with them to make them sufficiently interesting. > Was Mike Thorne a big name producer before his work > with Wire? He hasn't done a > great deal post-Wire that I can think of, except a > John Cale LP. Not before, but after he's done quite a lot. Go to http://www.stereosociety.com for current work. The full list from AMG is as follows, although some of their research is sometimes fuzzy ... 1977 Wire Pink Flag Producer  1977 Gryphon Treason Producer, Coordination  1978 Wire Chairs Missing Synthesizer, Arranger, Keyboards, Producer  1978 Shirts Shirts Producer  1979 Shirts Street Light Shine Producer  1979 Wire 154 Synthesizer, Keyboards, Producer  1980 Newman, Colin A-Z Keyboards, Producer  1981 Cale, John Honi Soit Producer  1981 Holly & the Italians Right to Be Italian Keyboards, Producer  1981 Soft Machine Land of Cockayne Producer  1982 Holly & the Italians Holly Beth Vincent Keyboards  1982 Hagen, Nina Nunsexmonkrock/Nina Hagen Band Producer  1983 Soft Cell Art of Falling Apart Producer  1984 Daltrey, Roger Parting Should Be Painless Producer  1984 Carmel Drum Is Everything Producer  1984 Bronski Beat Age of Consent Producer  1985 Til Tuesday Voices Carry Producer  1986 Band of the Hand Band of the Hand Producer  1986 Soft Cell Singles 1981-1985 Producer  1986 Communards Communards Producer  1987 Hollywood Beyond If Vocals, Producer  1987 Buzzcocks Total Pop: Rare, Live and Great 197 Producer  1988 She's Having a Baby She's Having a Baby Producer  1989 Anderson, Laurie Strange Angels Percussion, Keyboards, Producer, Percussion Programming  1989 Wire On Returning (1977-1979) Producer  1990 Somerville, Jimmy Singles Collection 1984-90 Producer  1990 China Crisis Collection Producer  1991 Blur Leisure Producer  1991 Soft Cell Memorabilia: Singles Producer  1991 Windbreakers Electric Landlady Bass  1991 Burning Ambitions: A Hi Burning Ambitions: A History of Pun Producer  1992 Murphy, Peter Holy Smoke Producer, Synclavier  1992 Information Society Peace & Love, Inc. Producer, Engineer  1994 Where Woodstock Lives Where Woodstock Lives Producer, Synclavier  1994 Classic Alternatives, V Classic Alternatives, Vol. 1 Producer  1995 Almond, Marc Adored and Explored [#2] Producer  1995 Almond, Marc Adored and Explored [#1] Producer  1995 Out Loud Out Loud Producer  1995 Punk You!, Vol. 1: Musi Punk You!, Vol. 1: Music for the Di Producer  1996 Soft Cell Non-Stop Erotic Cabaret Producer  1996 Hagen, Nina 14 Friendly Abductions: The Best of Producer  1996 Til Tuesday Coming up Close: A Retrospective Producer  1996 Our Friends Electric Our Friends Electric Producer  1996 This Is the 80's This Is the 80's Producer  1997 Bronski Beat Bronski Beat: Age of Consent [ReIss Producer  1997 Daltrey, Roger Martyrs & Madmen: The Best of Roger Keyboards, Producer  1997 Ultimate New Wave Dance Ultimate New Wave Dance Party Producer  1998 Essential 12'': The 80' Essential 12'': The 80's Producer  1998 CMJ the Year in Alterna CMJ the Year in Alternative Music 1 Producer  1998 Soft Cell Non-Stop Erotic Cabaret [Germany] Producer  1999 We Are Twisted We Are Twisted Producer    Hahn, Kit Looking for You Keyboards, Producer    Be There Now Be There Now Producer    Coneheads Coneheads ===== >>> Craig Grannell / Wireviews >>> Visit Wireviews at: http://welcome.to/wireviews http://www.snub.dircon.co.uk/wirehome.html >>> wireviews@yahoo.com >>> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 17:41:29 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: Mike Thorne work (selected) / production >>>>well i live and learn , there was loads on there i'd never realised mt was involved with (that roger daltrey album sounds , er, interesting). didn't he do the original bronski beat albums? thanks for all that data craig.p Not before, but after he's done quite a lot. Go to http://www.stereosociety.com for current work. The full list from AMG is as follows, although some of their research is sometimes fuzzy ... ------------------------------ Date: 04 Jan 00 12:58:58 -0600 From: Jack Steinmann Subject: re: Re[2]: producers Reply to: re: Re[2]: producers One shouldn't be too quick to draw conclusions about producers vs. engineers vs. mixers. Some producers handle all of these duties and are rightly associated with a certain sound, but not always. To cite just one example out of left field: Butch Vig produced Nirvana's 'Nevermind' (and a fine job he did too, I'm sure) but Andy Wallace mixed it and had a great influence on the sound. In Wire's case at least one album -- 'ABIACUIIS' -- bears the sonic influence of a band individual, namely Colin. And I recall someone in Wire felt that Manscape, troubled production aside, suffered "in the mix." Consider also 'Yclept,' which bears no producer credits but does have engineering credits, e.g. Rico Conning for the excellent 'Gebar.' Jack On 1/4/00, paul.rabjohn wrote: his wire work was first rate and i can't recall a criticism of it whereas many folks don't like the 80's producers wire used for numerous reasons. all taste i guess.p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 13:17:56 -0600 From: "MackDaddyD" Subject: producers v engineers v artists the artist creates the initial sound which can be faithfully or not recorded by the engineer (who also could have varying amounts of input as to tonality / tuning, etc) the producer can have an even more variable amount of control/influence over the preceedings ranging from arriving to pick up a paycheck to song selection and the substitution of session musicians for band members (don't think this was the case on any wire albums) it all depends on the band's relationship with the record company then the mix can change everything (with or without the producer, engineer or artists' input) and finally, the recording is mastered it is astounding to see how many recordings were mastered by greg calbi at sterling sound in NYC in the 80s one last item to keep in mind as to the end results of all this work is by the time the audience hears a song for the first time, the other participants have heard the recording to the point of distraction, which can lead to some disasterous results if all parties are not sympatico a producer can bludgeon the artist with so many repeated listenings to tweaks, that in the end not having to hear the bloody thing again for 24 hours is the only desireable option __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 20:54:57 -0000 From: "Stephen Jackson" Subject: Re: Re[2]: Magazine et al. >. actually as i write this i remember another ba single called "town and country" with a squashed mouse on >the cover. never heard that one though.p Wasn't this by the League of Gentleman? And didn't that band consist of Barry Andrews and Robert Fripp (!) or am I going mad? Steve. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ No room to move, no room for doubt. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 16:05:25 -0600 From: "MackDaddyD" Subject: Re: Re[2]: Magazine et al. i recall this as being Barry Andrews' Town and Country No Bob Fripp - B League of Gentlemen (indeed I don't reacll any guitars) it HAS been QUITE a while tho... > >. actually as i write this i remember another ba single called "town and > country" with a squashed mouse on >the cover. never heard that one though.p > > Wasn't this by the League of Gentleman? And didn't that band consist of > Barry Andrews and Robert Fripp (!) or am I going mad? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 9:51:25 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[4]: Magazine et al. again its a long time , but i think it was just a ba solo single. maybe fripp played on it? it had a funny cover with a cute cartoon mouse on one side and a photo of a real mouse dead in a trap on the other (a sort of play on the title). but sadly i can't recall what the actual songs were , i suppose it was on virgin. p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Re[2]: Magazine et al. Author: MIME:smj@zen.co.uk at INTERNET Date: 04/01/2000 21:53 >. actually as i write this i remember another ba single called "town and country" with a squashed mouse on >the cover. never heard that one though.p Wasn't this by the League of Gentleman? And didn't that band consist of Barry Andrews and Robert Fripp (!) or am I going mad? Steve. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ No room to move, no room for doubt. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V2 #257 *******************************