From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V2 #244 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, December 8 1999 Volume 02 : Number 244 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE TV ads ["Wilson, Paul" ] tv ads ["andy and sheri wiseman" ] Re: tv ads [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re[2]: the Swell Maps [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] final flock [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Hox etc. [Yoshiaki Matsumoto ] What Criteria ["Cambra, Robert" ] Eno discussion list [Thom Heileson ] Re: tv ads,denim ["andy and sheri wiseman" ] Re: final flock ["tube disaster" ] STRANGLERS IV (was-Re: final flock) ["nmm" ] [none] [flaherty michael w ] Re: Re[2]: A-Z; Wir ["Lee S. Kilpatrick (Mr. Breeze)" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 09:41:00 -0000 From: "Wilson, Paul" Subject: RE TV ads There's also one running on UK TV featuring the THIS Mortal Coil song "Song of the Siren" (I think that's what it's called). Paul KW ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 12:19:24 -0000 From: "andy and sheri wiseman" Subject: tv ads song to the siren originally tim buckley,liz frazer also dueted with lawrence from felt on "primitive painters"around the same.i saw his latest band denim last year they were hilarious,but she's gone a bit quiet recently. a.w ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 13:51:23 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re: tv ads where did you see denim? i know they supported pulp but i didn't think they were a proper "gigging" band. i live near brum (lawrence territory) but i've never seen shows advertised.p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: tv ads Author: MIME:andyandsheri@cwcom.net at INTERNET Date: 07/12/1999 13:27 song to the siren originally tim buckley,liz frazer also dueted with lawrence from felt on "primitive painters"around the same.i saw his latest band denim last year they were hilarious,but she's gone a bit quiet recently. a.w ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 13:51:22 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: the Swell Maps i never got to hear much c93 , but i always rated death in june's "nada" as a classic , tibet plays on that one.p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: the Swell Maps Author: MIME:dpbailey@worldnet.att.net at INTERNET Date: 07/12/1999 10:22 >May I suggest Swell maps "Jane from occupied Europe" this is a belter of an >album > >A few others of my favorites: > >>Current 93 Interesting timing ... with Xmas less than 3 weeks off, I recorded Crowleymass as an MP3 (which after more than a year of desultory efforts I learned how to play just this morning, being a technological dolt, so I could listen to excerpts from the Cure's upcoming album) only a few hours ago & just got through listening to it. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 14:03:00 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: final flock well i just remembered a funny AFOS story i should share , can't see it ever being relevant again... early 80's i heard them being interviewed on radio 1 just as they started , sounding all naive still. the dj asked how they got the name and the singer said it was from the line in the stranglers "toiler on the sea". which seemed reasonable. a couple of years later they were famous and i heard the same question in another interview. now the singer gave an answer like " the name is like our music , a beautiful thing flying freely up in the sky and capable of going for miles in any direction". i did laugh.p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 99 01:03:36 -0000 From: Yoshiaki Matsumoto Subject: Hox etc. Hi all, Just came back from a one-week vacation and found the WMO shipment in my mailbox... ('tis Japan, hence the delay) Reading through the Ideal Copy digests while listening to the CDs is proving to be truly interesting... Yclept to me sounds little like He Said:Take Care outtakes to me, as was noted in the list -- provides a pretty interesting bridge between Paul Kendall-contributed output of Wire-related releases and other Wire outings of the time. I'm not too sure about how inevitably this was a Dome release, though. Hox, to me, provides me with Mr. Lewis furthing the new territory he covered with He Said Omala, with new explorations of his voice -- very interesting and something to give it repeated listenings before I can absorb the details. Right now I'm listening to Oscid. Surprising how much the recording reminds me of Insiding-era Bruce Gilbert solo output, with references to more academic composers like David Tudor or David Behrman. I have a feeling this CD will grow on me quite a bit, too. As for comparisons between the DGM and WMO -- I think the DGM, in many ways, has a lot more solid "following" of their older permutations, so that they have a team of people interested in the old-day KC recordings which makes their balance between archival and new material feasible. With WMO, the new material is released under each member's current channels, so I can only understand how hard Charles must work to make a similar venture economically feasible! Also, as Wire members have been a lot more diverse in their pursuits since as early as 154, I think readers of this list are a lot more selective about their preferences compared to KC fans. Myself, I don't have much of a love for Chairs Missing/Pink Flag (horrors!!) like what seems like the majority of the active members of this list. - -Yoshi matsumoto liminal@st.rim.or.jp http://www.at-m.or.jp/~liminal ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 14:20:52 -0500 From: "Cambra, Robert" Subject: What Criteria As I pull my copy of "YCLEPT" out of the latest box from WMO I remember reading various reviews here considering some tracks are better than others and I'm wondering: what criteria do we use to judge something like Dome or Bruce Gilbert's stuff? I'll put it on right now. Track #1 is "Virtual Sweden (V.S. #1)." Listening . . . . This is great!--it's got good beat and you can dance to it. Robert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 11:51:44 -0800 From: Thom Heileson Subject: Eno discussion list > From: Mark Short > > > Also, does whether an Eno mailing list exists? See http://noc.pue.udlap.mx/eno/nnsub.html (The digests come with an Oblique Strategy of the day... it's like your every-so-often creative fortune cookie...) Thom - -- Thom Heileson Scopic Studios heileson@pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~heileson 206.706.3978 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 20:09:53 -0000 From: "andy and sheri wiseman" Subject: Re: tv ads,denim denim played the zap in brighton,supporting a girl group i think it was kinikie or someone/thing,i didn't stay.i saw wire in a park in london with the gaye bykers on acid and psychic tv but i left before the headliners siouxsie and her banchees.any throbbing gristle fans out there?i expect there are. - -----Original Message----- From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com To: idealcopy@smoe.org ; andyandsheri@cwcom.net Date: 07 December 1999 13:00 Subject: Re: tv ads where did you see denim? i know they supported pulp but i didn't think they were a proper "gigging" band. i live near brum (lawrence territory) but i've never seen shows advertised.p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: tv ads Author: MIME:andyandsheri@cwcom.net at INTERNET Date: 07/12/1999 13:27 song to the siren originally tim buckley,liz frazer also dueted with lawrence from felt on "primitive painters"around the same.i saw his latest band denim last year they were hilarious,but she's gone a bit quiet recently. a.w ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 15:13:37 -0800 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: final flock >well i just remembered a funny AFOS story i should share , can't see it ever being relevant again... > >early 80's i heard them being interviewed on radio 1 just as they started , sounding all naive still. the dj asked how they got the name and the singer said it was from the line in the stranglers "toiler on the sea". which seemed reasonable. Glad to hear that, actually, because more than once over the last year or 2 I've asked on various lists or newsgroups whether that Stranglers song (quite a good one -- it contains something like 6 potential hooks) was indeed the genesis of the name AFOS, but people either had no clue who the Stranglers were or fed me something like the line you cite below. Stupid me, not to have brought it up on the *Wire* list ... Dan > >a couple of years later they were famous and i heard the same question in another interview. now the singer gave an answer like " the name is like our music , a beautiful thing flying freely up in the sky and capable of going for miles in any direction". i did laugh.p > ------------------------------ Date: 7 Dec 1999 16:20:22 +0000 From: "nmm" Subject: STRANGLERS IV (was-Re: final flock) So I ask again - Was anyone at the show where Wire opened for the Stranglers? Colin still seemed to cringe at mention of their names..Something about how "real punk bands were superior to 'pub-rock bands' and 'Pub rock' was not the thing to be. Seemed like he was just ticked that the Stranglers were egging on their hooligan following to spit, glad that punk thing is gone. >On Mard 07 déce 1999 23:13, tube disaster wrote: >Glad to hear that, actually, because more than once over the last year or 2 >I've asked on various lists or newsgroups whether that Stranglers song >(quite a good one -- it contains something like 6 potential hooks) was >indeed the genesis of the name AFOS, but people either had no clue who the >Stranglers were or fed me something like the line you cite below. Stupid me, >not to have brought it up on the *Wire* list ... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 21:24:35 -0600 (CST) From: flaherty michael w Subject: [none] > Also, does whether an Eno mailing list exists? Nerve Net. You can sign up through EnoWeb. I don't have the address handy, but if you search for EnoWeb in Yahoo it'll take you right to it. > From: "Wilson, Paul" > Firstly, of course A-Z isn't a Wire album! What I meant was that it SOUNDS > like a Wire album. Musically it seems to follow on from the first Wire > phase, better than Wire's second phase does. Does that make sense? Yes, put in those terms.. > From: "charles / wmo" > > The risk for getting a disc you "may not fully appreciate" with Wire would > have to be a risk of participating in such a venture. I joined the KC thing > 'cause I thought it was such a unique concept! (Sorry Bob, I really couldn't > make it thru Live 69!) > before but WMO should have been set up in these ways! I'm still waiting for > a band to offer "the tape archive" or live recordings in MP3. Having participated in the KC Club, my feeling is still that there is no advantage--for anyone. Would your club require people to buy things they don't want? If not, I don't see how this changes the economic situation a bit. If so, the rule will discourage potential customers? ... Am I wrong? > well; the band pays for, presses and sells their recordings, they own them > forever. None of this EMI business. They could do this--ARE doing this NOW--through you. > Does anyone think it unreasonable for a group to monopolize their chain of > distribution? No. > "The Wire Web Ring" - become economically viable for the label. Suppose I > release a Thousand title, sell 500 copies through the web site. The > artist/label/community then become their own ecosystem. > > This is what we are after. Sure--and that can be accomplished w/out a club. Would those Crimson nuts have bought those live albums through DGM anyway? Yes. Would a club increase WMO sales? I bet it wouldn't. I hope you realize that I'm not talking about independent sales (DGM, WMO, Smells Like Records [Sonic Youth], All Saints, etc.), only that Fripp's club idea has been disappointing, and I don't think others should follow. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 17:29:50 -0500 From: "Lee S. Kilpatrick (Mr. Breeze)" Subject: Re: Re[2]: A-Z; Wir > on that subject there's a tv computer ad running on all the main uk > channels using the pixies "tame" ; prime-time pixies at last ! p There was some sort of car commercial -- Subaru, I belive -- running on US TV relatively recently that showed a car driving across a bridge; I think the video was kind of black & white, or sepia-toned. The music sounded like some sort of rip-off of two of the main Pixies styles. I assume it was just a soundalike for the commercial, and not any particular band who happened to sound like the Pixies. No vocals, instrumental only. Lee ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 9:48:06 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: tv ads,denim well siouxsie went well off the boil i know but i think i'd have stayed. i saw psychic tv and was well unimpressed , i guess very few people ever saw tg. 20 jazz funk greats is , of course , a classic.p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: tv ads,denim Author: MIME:andyandsheri@cwcom.net at INTERNET Date: 07/12/1999 21:12 denim played the zap in brighton,supporting a girl group i think it was kinikie or someone/thing,i didn't stay.i saw wire in a park in london with the gaye bykers on acid and psychic tv but i left before the headliners siouxsie and her banchees.any throbbing gristle fans out there?i expect there are. - -----Original Message----- From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com To: idealcopy@smoe.org ; andyandsheri@cwcom.net Date: 07 December 1999 13:00 Subject: Re: tv ads where did you see denim? i know they supported pulp but i didn't think they were a proper "gigging" band. i live near brum (lawrence territory) but i've never seen shows advertised.p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: tv ads Author: MIME:andyandsheri@cwcom.net at INTERNET Date: 07/12/1999 13:27 song to the siren originally tim buckley,liz frazer also dueted with lawrence from felt on "primitive painters"around the same.i saw his latest band denim last year they were hilarious,but she's gone a bit quiet recently. a.w ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 10:12:54 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: dome greatest hits i finally got hold of a tape of MZUI. interesting , although maybe of selective appeal.... anyway , thought i'd fill up the other side of the tape with an attempt to do a "best of" the g&l collaborations. here's what i came up with , trying to get something at least off each album ; rolling upon my day cruel when complete say again red tent 2 long lost life or so it seems ba-dr to walk , to run anchors because we must #1 heart of hearts i wanted to go for the more accessible tracks , and there wasn't room to put the big "epic" tracks like "will you speak this word". afraid p'o missed the cut , and you'll have to take "anchors" as covering 8 time as well as pacific specific. will this do? p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 01:22:49 -0800 (PST) From: Wireviews Subject: Re: What Criteria - --- "Cambra, Robert" wrote: > I'll put it on right now. Track #1 is "Virtual > Sweden (V.S. #1)." Listening > . . . . This is great!--it's got good beat and you > can dance to it. Innovation, atmosphere, "feel", whether or not it grabs you, whether it grows with repeated listens ... plus a whole bunch of other stuff :-) Craig/WV ===== >>> Craig Grannell / Wireviews >>> Visit Wireviews at: http://welcome.to/wireviews http://www.snub.dircon.co.uk/wirehome.html >>> wireviews@yahoo.com >>> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V2 #244 *******************************