From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V2 #240 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, December 4 1999 Volume 02 : Number 240 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re[2]: frank tovey? (was:Long Fin Killie / Bows) [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] AFOS ["charles / wmo" ] Re: AFOS [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Reviews [Mark Short ] Re: Long Fin Killie / Bows [professor ned ] Re: AFOS ["charles / wmo" ] Re[2]: AFOS [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re: Long Fin Killie / Bows ["AudioPig" ] WIRe reissues [Osanders ] Re: Re[2]: AFOS ["tube disaster" ] Flock o' Gulls ["Ciscon, Ray" ] bad hair day ["MackDaddyD" ] Re: WIRe reissues [Brian ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 10:36:03 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: frank tovey? (was:Long Fin Killie / Bows) funny how fad / frank t never come up here. i saw him (as fad) about 3 times mid-80's which was after rob's time on the band. is the track rob plays on any good? p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: frank tovey? (was:Long Fin Killie / Bows) Author: MIME:dpbailey@worldnet.att.net at INTERNET Date: 02/12/1999 16:41 Changing the subject (&, yes, staying off-topic) -- "professor ned" rings a bell ... are you the guy I e-mailed a couple of years ago, after stumbling across a Frank Tovey website, about a few late-'80s videos of his (Luddite Joe, Bridge St Shuffle, Sam Hall) that actually made MTV's 120 Minutes? Dan >Bows is quite nice stuff - saw them with FX Randomize, Oval & Mouse On Mars >(bit of an odd line-up no?) at PopKomm this summer. The violin was great >but after a while I couldn't tell if the violinist was actually playing or >not... > >ned > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 07:01:22 -0500 From: "charles / wmo" Subject: AFOS Hey - I'm really down with AFOS lately, Found a lot of 12" of b sides, mostly instrumental. GREAT Stuff - their work with Bill Nelson, Conny Plank and Mike Howlett is as good as anything from that era, including W_I_R_E. They had a great nack for melodies, but I don't know what happened after their second record... maybe they got new haircuts or something. Neil from Jive Electro told me how many records they sold - an unbelievably large amount. Didn't Cleopatra even released a remix record this year - did anyone hear it? Here's my MD: 1. Telecomunication 2. (It's Not Me) Talking 3. Tanglimara 4. You Can Run 5. Modern Love Is Automatic 6. I Ran 7. Space Age Love Song 8. Standing In The Doorway 9. DNA 10.Wishing (I had a photograph) 11. Nightmares 12. 2:30 13. Electrics 14. The Traveller 15. Over The Border 16. Rosenmontag 17. Man Made As for the early 80's, there is a certain sound isn't there? That's always worth revisiting! Shit - we all still think Gary Numan's "Cars" is a classic, right? Anyone get the PIL Plastic Box? charles wmo@interserv.com http://wiremailorder.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:03:59 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re: AFOS cor blimey i thought AFOS were the epitomy of a nothing 80's band from all the dire singles/tv appearances they did. up there with wire? i'm amazed to hear anyone say that. i'm sure they sold a huge amount of records but all the same........ this months Q gives "low impact" 3 stars , i think that must be the first colin/swim album they've ever reviewed. p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: AFOS Author: MIME:wmo@interserv.com at INTERNET Date: 03/12/1999 14:23 Hey - I'm really down with AFOS lately, Found a lot of 12" of b sides, mostly instrumental. GREAT Stuff - their work with Bill Nelson, Conny Plank and Mike Howlett is as good as anything from that era, including W_I_R_E. They had a great nack for melodies, but I don't know what happened after their second record... maybe they got new haircuts or something. Neil from Jive Electro told me how many records they sold - an unbelievably large amount. Didn't Cleopatra even released a remix record this year - did anyone hear it? Here's my MD: 1. Telecomunication 2. (It's Not Me) Talking 3. Tanglimara 4. You Can Run 5. Modern Love Is Automatic 6. I Ran 7. Space Age Love Song 8. Standing In The Doorway 9. DNA 10.Wishing (I had a photograph) 11. Nightmares 12. 2:30 13. Electrics 14. The Traveller 15. Over The Border 16. Rosenmontag 17. Man Made As for the early 80's, there is a certain sound isn't there? That's always worth revisiting! Shit - we all still think Gary Numan's "Cars" is a classic, right? Anyone get the PIL Plastic Box? charles wmo@interserv.com http://wiremailorder.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 14:41:42 +0000 From: Mark Short Subject: Reviews paul.rabjohn@ssab.com wrote: > > cor blimey i thought AFOS were the epitomy of a nothing 80's band from all the dire singles/tv appearances they did. up there with wire? i'm amazed to hear anyone say that. i'm sure they sold a huge amount of records but all the same........ > > this months Q gives "low impact" 3 stars , i think that must be the first colin/swim album they've ever reviewed. p > > The Wire (no relation) used to be a reliable source of reviews of Wire solo material, but no longer. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:23:50 -0600 From: professor ned Subject: Re: Long Fin Killie / Bows >That lineup doesn't strike me as being _that_ strange -- >Mouse on Mars are the linking element all around: >labelmates with Bows (Too Pure), label mates with >FX Randomiz (a.Musik), Since when have MOM had anything to do with a-musik...? ned ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:27:32 -0500 From: "charles / wmo" Subject: Re: AFOS >cor blimey i thought AFOS were the epitomy of a nothing 80's band from all the dire singles/tv appearances they did. up there with >wire? i'm amazed to hear anyone say that. i'm sure they sold a huge amount of records but all the same........ not everything needs to be so "intelligent" as wire!!! (one thing about 80's wire - it sure wasn't that "lite" - definately "dire" most of the time, kind like most post rock!). But some of AFOS definately is - the Bill Nelson singles are great pop, while the Conny Plank stuff - like Rosenmontag - and most of the instrumentals ARE definately "intelligent". The early singles are classics - I've been bugging some people to do a techno cover of Space Age Love song! AFOS was one of the first "acceptable" new wave bands; never as cool as Wire. AFOS still gets played in Iowa (kinda wierd being at a 7-11 and hearing "I Ran") and there's something to be said for that! charles wmo@interserv.com http://wiremailorder.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 17:43:52 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: AFOS i think they were seen a bit differently in the uk to the us maybe? all i ever heard were the formula new romantic singles , less said about them the better.p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: AFOS Author: MIME:wmo@interserv.com at INTERNET Date: 03/12/1999 17:29 >cor blimey i thought AFOS were the epitomy of a nothing 80's band from all the dire singles/tv appearances they did. up there with >wire? i'm amazed to hear anyone say that. i'm sure they sold a huge amount of records but all the same........ not everything needs to be so "intelligent" as wire!!! (one thing about 80's wire - it sure wasn't that "lite" - definately "dire" most of the time, kind like most post rock!). But some of AFOS definately is - the Bill Nelson singles are great pop, while the Conny Plank stuff - like Rosenmontag - and most of the instrumentals ARE definately "intelligent". The early singles are classics - I've been bugging some people to do a techno cover of Space Age Love song! AFOS was one of the first "acceptable" new wave bands; never as cool as Wire. AFOS still gets played in Iowa (kinda wierd being at a 7-11 and hearing "I Ran") and there's something to be said for that! charles wmo@interserv.com http://wiremailorder.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:06:32 -0600 From: "AudioPig" Subject: Re: Long Fin Killie / Bows :>That lineup doesn't strike me as being _that_ strange -- :>Mouse on Mars are the linking element all around: :>labelmates with Bows (Too Pure), label mates with :>FX Randomiz (a.Musik), : :Since when have MOM had anything to do with a-musik...? I don't think Mouse on Mars have ever released anything on A-Musik, but the Microstoria "Init Ding" lp was the label's first release, MOM's Jan St. Werner being half of that duo. also related by general association, one or both of MOM's core members having lived in the same building as the A-Musik store in Cologne and hanging with the likes of FX Randomiz and probably most of the A-Musik roster... : ob-Wire: recieved the Hox and Dome CD's from WMO recently, and i must say that the former is fookin' brilliant work, one of the finer Graham Lewis-related projects ever, hands down. right up there in my book with "Hail" and "Catch Supposes"...the Dome is spotty but contains some really interesting work, the "V.S." tracks being current favorites. incredibly exciting stuff all around. now only if MZUI would be re-released....*sigh* : ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 10:14:29 -0800 From: Osanders Subject: WIRe reissues I read an e-mail on this group about Mute , or Rhino ,reissuing the wire LP's , I think they where pink flag , chairs missing, 154 , the ideal copy , IBTABA , and ABIAC and WIR is this the case? If so , would that explain the sudden lack of WIRE CDs at my local Tower records? They always keep ABIAC, and IBTABA in stock it seems , but for the last few weeks the WIRE bin has been entirely empty , when asked about it , the tower records employees don't have a clue , just wondering? - -- **************************** Obie Sanders/ System Administrator ADN - --------------------------- osanders@adnc.com/ext.273 **************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 13:47:37 -0800 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: Re[2]: AFOS As far as the masses were concerned, their US presence was limited to the Space Age Love Song, I Ran (which hit No. 9 in the charts ... the other 2 peaked at about 30) & Wishing (I Had a Photograph of You) singles. I like all of 'em just fine, but of course I've got a pop sweet tooth the size of China ... Dan >i think they were seen a bit differently in the uk to the us maybe? all i ever heard were the formula new romantic singles , less said about them the better.p > > >______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ >Subject: Re: AFOS >Author: MIME:wmo@interserv.com at INTERNET >Date: 03/12/1999 17:29 > > >>cor blimey i thought AFOS were the epitomy of a nothing 80's band from all the dire singles/tv appearances they did. up there with >wire? i'm amazed to hear anyone say that. i'm sure they sold a huge amount of records but all the same........ > > >not everything needs to be so "intelligent" as wire!!! (one thing about 80's wire - it sure wasn't that "lite" - definately "dire" most of the time, kind like most post rock!). But some of AFOS definately is - the Bill Nelson singles are great pop, while the Conny Plank stuff - like Rosenmontag - and most of the instrumentals ARE definately "intelligent". The early singles are classics - I've been bugging some people to do a techno cover of Space Age Love song! > >AFOS was one of the first "acceptable" new wave bands; never as cool as Wire. AFOS still gets played in Iowa (kinda wierd being at a 7-11 and hearing "I Ran") and there's something to be said for that! > >charles >wmo@interserv.com >http://wiremailorder.com/ > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 16:20:29 -0600 From: "Ciscon, Ray" Subject: Flock o' Gulls I don't think anybody here is trying to say that AFOS are better artists than Wire, this is a Wire mailing list after all, I think we're just trying to point out that AFOS is not the joke that many remember them as. Recalling AFOS as simply Mike Score's hair, REALLY bad - even by 80's standards, and a couple of quirky singles they had here in the states might give you that impression... But I have to agree with Charles that the first and second AFOS albums were pretty damn good! The first album was a gem of new wave/dance pop that when judged on it's own merits is highly enjoyable. The second album WAS much more intelligent, with some very nice arrangements on the tracks... some of them almost approaching 'art'. Pop music can and should be appreciated from that level - as POP music. But don't forget that in certain cases it can cross the line and be 'art' as well. IMO, 'Kidney Bingos' is a perfect example of a Wire piece that would apply as both. The 80's will probably be remembered as the decade of the 'hair' bands... this crosses all genres of popular music, from New Wave bands like AFOS, heavy metal bands (ughh!) like Poison, to 'soul' and RAP outfits with really horrible hair. Music in America in the early to mid 80's was a vast wasteland... for every American who was listening to 'pop' music with any kind of artistic element, i.e. China Crisis, Ultravox, Shriekback, etc. there were 1000 who were listening to the same old 70's based, AOR, heavy metal crap! IMHO, one decent New Wave hair band like AFOS is worth 100,000 Motley Crues!!! Cheers, Ray Ciscon P.S. While I was trying to think of non-heavy metal 'hair' bands, besides AFOS, I was having brain farts, and couldn't come up with many more besides Culture Club, Modern English (remember the dude with the long platinum blonde hair and the weasel-ly thin Error Flynn/Midge Ure mustache! LOL), and Dead or Alive. Do any of you out there remember any other bad 'hair' bands? -----Original Message----- From: charles / wmo [mailto:wmo@interserv.com] Sent: Friday, December 03, 1999 10:28 AM To: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com; idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: AFOS >cor blimey i thought AFOS were the epitomy of a nothing 80's band from all the dire singles/tv appearances they did. up there with >wire? i'm amazed to hear anyone say that. i'm sure they sold a huge amount of records but all the same........ not everything needs to be so "intelligent" as wire!!! (one thing about 80's wire - it sure wasn't that "lite" - definately "dire" most of the time, kind like most post rock!). But some of AFOS definately is - the Bill Nelson singles are great pop, while the Conny Plank stuff - like Rosenmontag - and most of the instrumentals ARE definately "intelligent". The early singles are classics - I've been bugging some people to do a techno cover of Space Age Love song! AFOS was one of the first "acceptable" new wave bands; never as cool as Wire. AFOS still gets played in Iowa (kinda wierd being at a 7-11 and hearing "I Ran") and there's something to be said for that! charles wmo@interserv.com http://wiremailorder.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 16:55:09 -0600 From: "MackDaddyD" Subject: bad hair day kajagoogoo ;) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 16:27:50 -0800 From: Brian Subject: Re: WIRe reissues The only time I see wire at Virgin is a couple of years back for the first four. Never Manscape, Coatings or The First Letter, ask a record store clerk now that's rhetorical. Osanders wrote: > I read an e-mail on this group about Mute , or Rhino ,reissuing > the wire LP's , I think they where pink flag , chairs missing, 154 , the > ideal copy , IBTABA , and ABIAC and WIR is this the case? If so , would > that explain the sudden lack of WIRE CDs at my local Tower records? They > always keep ABIAC, and IBTABA in stock it seems , but for the last few > weeks the WIRE bin has been entirely empty , when asked about it , the > tower records employees don't have a clue , just wondering? > > -- > **************************** > Obie Sanders/ > System Administrator > ADN > --------------------------- > osanders@adnc.com/ext.273 > **************************** ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V2 #240 *******************************