From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V2 #238 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, December 2 1999 Volume 02 : Number 238 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: idealcopy-digest V2 #237 ["charles / wmo" ] Re: idealcopy-digest V2 #237 [Mark Short ] Save the wave. [Q-Bert ] Re: Justify my lov...er...Wire [Dave Walker ] Long Fin Killie, First Letter [Eric and Amber ] Re: 1st letter [Geoffry ] washed-up boozer wrecks 'The Fall Group' ["M. Major, international megast] rejustification2 ["Casper Milquetoast" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 07:07:12 -0500 From: "charles / wmo" Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V2 #237 Does anyone on this list listen to Long Fin Killie or Scala? IMHO, they take up the slack where Sonic Youth, MBV, and some extent Stereo Lab stop, but avoid any of the "post rock" drone and mona. LFK - are brilliant musicians and get a "progressive" tag. Excellent lyrics, melodies, a drummer that plays "jungle" without a computer, and of course, they rock the fuck out. Scala are post-Seefeel, but again, they're really a rock band beneath everything, and Wir influenced I think. Both on Too Pure. Judging by what I've read, there aren't that many rock bands this list likes - thank God! Let's not forget Disco Inferno and Bark Psychosis! WHoever wrote that Snakedrill/Ideal Copy is one of Wire's best - bless you! It most certainly is! What's the list's consensus on The First Letter? charles wmo@interserv.com http://wiremailorder.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 12:52:54 +0000 From: Mark Short Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V2 #237 charles / wmo wrote: > > Does anyone on this list listen to Long Fin Killie or Scala? IMHO, they take > up the slack where Sonic Youth, MBV, and some extent Stereo Lab stop, but > avoid any of the "post rock" drone and mona. LFK - are brilliant musicians > and get a "progressive" tag. Excellent lyrics, melodies, a drummer that > plays "jungle" without a computer, and of course, they rock the fuck out. > Scala are post-Seefeel, but again, they're really a rock band beneath > everything, and Wir influenced I think. Both on Too Pure. Yes, I got LFK's "Valentino" a couple of years ago. It is very kicking stuff, very well recorded. And the drummer seems to have been listening to a lot of This Heat, as should we all! But it fails to really satisfy me, perhaps because of its unrelenting in-yer-face quality. Also on Too Pure, and highly commended, are/were Moonshake. > > Judging by what I've read, there aren't that many rock bands this list > likes - thank God! Let's not forget Disco Inferno and Bark Psychosis! > > WHoever wrote that Snakedrill/Ideal Copy is one of Wire's best - bless you! > It most certainly is! What's the list's consensus on The First Letter? > > charles > wmo@interserv.com > http://wiremailorder.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 05:09:06 -0800 (PST) From: Q-Bert Subject: Save the wave. This new wave bashing has got to stop. Remember there were *some* good bands that fell under the new wave category. Some that come to mind: Wall of Voodoo, Devo, and Missing Persons (j/k on that last one). Wire's 80's keyboard driven pop qualifies as new wave afaik, but there's nothing wrong with that. The new wave category happily accomadated punk bands that became constrained by the 4-chord mohawk that punk had degenerated into. Admittedly, new wave had some memorable haircuts of it's own (flock of seagulls) but at least it never became a uniform. - -So lend me your frendship bracelets, your weary cyndi lauper overflowing out of neon spandex, and we'll play Ms. Pacman once more- ===== The Skeek revolution! (caution: may offend) http://www.geocities.com/PicketFence/3954/ http://www.angelfire.com/fl2/miner49er __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 09:55:09 -0500 From: Dave Walker Subject: Re: Justify my lov...er...Wire tube disaster wrote: > > Reply to: re: Justify my lov...er...Wire > > > >I was always a little skeptical of The Ideal Copy. It was too short, like > a cobbled-together Capitol Beatles' album, and unlike Snakedrill it sounded > self-conscious. "Ahead" sounded like someone involved in the production had > been listening to New Order circa "Everything's Gone Green," or even (argh!) > the Cure circa "The Head on the Door" or whatever it was. I'll pipe up here and mention that my first exposure to Wire was hearing "Ahead" on the Enigma Variations 2 compilation, during a period when I was an obsessive New Order fan. I was immediately struck by the (production) similaries to some of the Peter Hook-driven N.O. tracks like "Love Vigilantes", "Temptation", etc. I picked up _The Ideal Copy_ on cassette [remember, this was 1986 ;) ] and found myself loving the Snakedrill tracks even better than the album proper, so I staretd working my way backwards through the catalog from there. -d.w. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 10:54:27 -0500 From: Eric and Amber Subject: Long Fin Killie, First Letter >Does anyone on this list listen to Long Fin Killie or Scala? IMHO, they take >up the slack where Sonic Youth, MBV, and some extent Stereo Lab stop, but >avoid any of the "post rock" drone and mona. LFK - are brilliant musicians >and get a "progressive" tag. Excellent lyrics, melodies, a drummer that >plays "jungle" without a computer, and of course, they rock the fuck out. I saw Long Fin Killie open for Medicine in Cleveland a few years ago and was most impressed; even more energy live than on the albums! >It most certainly is! What's the list's consensus on The First Letter? I am often tempted to say that The First Letter is my favorite Wire album of all time, or at least tied with 154 and IBTABA. My favorite EP release by them is without a doubt Vien. Eric np: Dome "Yclept" Everyone should buy this now!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 11:16:49 -0500 From: Geoffry Subject: Re: 1st letter > > > >It most certainly is! What's the list's consensus on The First Letter? > I'd have to say the 1st letter is my favorite wir(e) album. The mood is just fantastic and for the first time since the Harvest days they really started to manipulate song structures. Chairs Missing for the 90s perhaps? > > > > np: Dome "Yclept" Everyone should buy this now!!! unfortunately I was a little let down by Yclept. Some of the tracks sound like He Said Take Care rejects! But I was bowled over by the Ocsid and Hox albums. It's a shame no one mentions Grahams' Origin work when talk turns to the 'cutting edge' possibilities of Wire-related music. I have heard nothing that sounds like Catch Supposes ('Autechre playing lounge music' as a friend of mine described it) or It-ness. Wonderful stuff. g. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 12:47:38 -0700 From: "M. Major, international megastar" Subject: washed-up boozer wrecks 'The Fall Group' >> Dan...wonders >> if a Fall [tribute] exists other than the one done by >> various fans a couple of years ago ... > >a guy i know was putting one together when Mark E., who had earlier >drunkenly agreed to it, drunkenly threatened him with some sort of death >if he went through with it... The fans' tribute aka "Good evening, we are not the Fall." is available in .mp3 format here: http://www.u.arizona.edu/~jkandell/goodevening.html It is, as you might expect, fairly mediocre. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 14:29:30 -0800 From: "Casper Milquetoast" Subject: rejustification2 >(As for Casper M...stop trying to put everything into boxes, man! Relax! >Wire's later work doesn't belong in the box marked "New Wave" any more than >their earlier albums belong in the box marked "Punk". What's "punk" >anyway, when it would seem to me that, musically at least, d+b maniacs like >Ed Rush & Optical or Trace have far more in common with its pioneering, >rebellious, independent spirit than - shudder - The Offspring or Green Day? >Categories are for dusty libraries, records are for living with.) My own idea of what punk rock is today (today as in right now) would be digital hardcore in germany, uk breakbeat, and whatever the americans are making in experimental noise. Rave culture is moving in and making DandB obsolete as a progressive music mainly because Rave and DandB work too well together. Although DandB acts like Squarepusher and RDJ are pushing the boundries of what is music. I don't sling punk rock as a category I use it as a description because I view Wire as the "punkest" (cringe) musical act to ever come out of England. Composing music with complete simplicity, but making it so beautiful at the same time is something that has influenced everything from techno to goth to punk rock. Even after all these years Wire is a band that anyone who is a non-wire fan really cannot listen to. I've tried getting friends into them, but Wire is such an aquired taste that it is entirely self regulating. I don't think I'll ever find anyone that will listen to anything from Wire other than "I am the Fly." As for the topic of what is in our record collections? Sonic Youth (Washing Machine, Jet Set), Fugazi (all albums), ATR, Alec Empire, Squarepusher, Public Enemy, Sex Pistols, Sheep On Drugs, Joy Division, DC Hardcore, Germs, Miles Davis, Cobra Killers, KillRockStars, and alot more that I can't think of right now. At least those are the most accessable. I appologize for my one comment, it was late and I was in a bad mood. But I did expect more from a person on this list than to say that. Casper M. www.skribe.net/milque ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V2 #238 *******************************