From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V2 #230 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, November 24 1999 Volume 02 : Number 230 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re[2]: Wire's Essential Collection Due In January [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re[3]: Wire's Essential Collection Due In January [jerry.butson@emimusic.] Re: Re[3]: Wire's Essential Collection Due In January ["tube disaster" ] Re: stop-gap [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] social comment ["Cambra, Robert" ] Re: social comment ["MackDaddyD" ] Re: stop-gap ["tube disaster" ] Re: Re[3]: Wire's Essential Collection Due In January ["tube disaster" ] Re[2]: social comment [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 10:28:26 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: Wire's Essential Collection Due In January As for bonus tracks - I would have thought Coatings furnished us with the best of these and anyway, Ideal / Bell / IBTABA / Drill / Manscape / First Letter all had bonus tracks on the CD releases the first time round, most notably Ideal whose length was doubled by them! Craig/WV >>>> well you could always find some live tracks , presumably there's a huge amount of live stuff on tape? the buzz buzz buzz tracks must be about the only legit tracks not put out on cd yet , but i guess all sorts of other stuff could be found if mute were interested. did they do many demos? i never hear talk of them , maybe a few might be worth including. it'll be good to see things like manscape and the first letter in wider circulation. when mute recently re-promoted yazoo they got some 99 remixes of old hits put out as a single ; how's that for an idea? p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 09:53:15 +0000 From: jerry.butson@emimusic.com (jerry butson) Subject: Re[3]: Wire's Essential Collection Due In January - --IMA.Boundary.7661533490 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part when mute recently re-promoted yazoo they got some 99 remixes of old hits put out as a single ; how's that for an idea? p Great idea, but Yazoo is obviously intended for the mass market with the new mixes as part of a big marketing push. That said, I'll hold a torch for a storming remix of "Stampede". They did it with "In Vivo" after all! "Manscape" rules! j - --IMA.Boundary.7661533490 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net ([24.128.1.70]) by vmailntwks10.trinite.co.uk with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 3.13) id 002B0A31; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 09:35:01 +0000 Received: from smoe.org (jane.smoe.org [24.30.216.55]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA00638; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 04:31:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id EAA02267; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 04:30:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 23 Nov 1999 04:30:52 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id EAA02185 for idealcopy-outgoing; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 04:30:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.udac.net (smtp.udac.net [193.44.79.123]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-jane) with ESMTP id EAA02163 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 04:30:05 -0500 (EST) From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Received: from lpd2.udac.se (mail2.udac.net [192.36.179.11]) by smtp.udac.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA29895 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 10:25:38 +0100 Received: from uucp1.udac.net (uucp3.udac.net [192.36.179.12]) by mail2.udac.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA03536; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 10:45:36 +0100 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by uucp1.udac.net (8.8.6/8.8.0) with UUCP id KAA04735; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 10:26:39 +0100 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 10:28:26 +0100 To: idealcopy@smoe.org, wireviews@yahoo.com Subject: Re[2]: Wire's Essential Collection Due In January MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: TFS Secure Messaging /222000000/222020954/222002769/222100545/ X-Mailer: Version 4 Build 211 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by smoe.org id EAA02169 Sender: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org Precedence: bulk - --IMA.Boundary.7661533490-- . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 05:46:27 -0800 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: Re[3]: Wire's Essential Collection Due In January > when mute recently re-promoted yazoo they got some 99 remixes of old hits put >out as a single ; how's that for an idea? p > > > > Great idea, but Yazoo is obviously intended for the mass market with the > new mixes as part of a big marketing push. That said, I'll hold a torch for > > a storming remix of "Stampede". They did it with "In Vivo" after all! > > "Manscape" rules! > Yep -- just got home with the US-version CD (having made do with the cassette all decade long) after coming across it for $2.99 during a quick stop by my fave record store in Memphis, where I'd gone with 3 other folks to see Guided by Voices (great show ... not surprisingly, of course, my favorite songs were the ones that show more Pink Flag influence than British Invasion or arena-rock). Dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 11:04:05 -0000 From: "andy and sheri wiseman" Subject: stop-gap i don't often contribute to this forum,in fact i was told that i am a"lurker" which i thought was obscure punk/pub band.however all this talk of unreleased wire material makes me think how about a covers album in a bowie/pin ups kind of way.a reinterpretation stop-gap before new material sort of thing.before you shoot me down it's just a light hearted exercise. how about trans europe express or beefhearts sure n'uff yes i do for starters. also we're in new york next month can anyone suggest good clubs and bars for the over thirty couple. yours a.w ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 12:38:00 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re: stop-gap funny how few covers wire/solo have released really in a 23-odd year career. i've seen bootlegs listing "glad all over" , must've been pretty funny though maybe not one to choose for 99. maybe they could drag "roadrunner" out again for a good seeing to wir-style? p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: stop-gap Author: MIME:andyandsheri@cwcom.net at INTERNET Date: 23/11/1999 12:10 i don't often contribute to this forum,in fact i was told that i am a"lurker" which i thought was obscure punk/pub band.however all this talk of unreleased wire material makes me think how about a covers album in a bowie/pin ups kind of way.a reinterpretation stop-gap before new material sort of thing.before you shoot me down it's just a light hearted exercise. how about trans europe express or beefhearts sure n'uff yes i do for starters. also we're in new york next month can anyone suggest good clubs and bars for the over thirty couple. yours a.w ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 14:36:19 -0500 From: "Cambra, Robert" Subject: social comment re: Manscape. "Don't think Graham's lyrics improve on this album as some have suggested. I think he tries too hard to provied 'social comment' i.e. directly. See Wir Vien for this also. I prefer my lyrics to be as obscure as possible." I have to agree with John Roberts here. Social comment dates so fast and more importantly, has nothing to do with music. One of the great things about Wire I've always thought was that their concerns were usually enduring. Robert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 14:28:07 -0600 From: "MackDaddyD" Subject: Re: social comment One of may fave Magazine songs went from I know that Carter will look after me to I know that Reagan will look after me > Social comment dates so fast and > more importantly, has nothing to do with music. ... Someone mentioned the lack of Scala comments here recently, so: Bruce's remix of Slide (on the Slide EP , and the Japanese release of 'To See You In Alpha") is just swell, and by some odd coincidence, I might be induced to part with the EP ;) I like it for the same reason B Eno thought MBV's Soon was the perfect popSong It's murky, sludgy and infectious all at once. D __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 16:08:51 -0800 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: stop-gap >i don't often contribute to this forum,in fact i was told that i am >a"lurker" >which i thought was obscure punk/pub band. Can't be *too* obscure, since I saw 2 of their reissue CDs (Fullham Fallout & ... ah ... another one) on the counter at the record store last night in Memphis. Already having Fullham on vinyl, though, I didn't bite. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 17:40:45 -0800 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: Re[3]: Wire's Essential Collection Due In January >to see Guided by Voices (great show ... not surprisingly, of course, my >favorite songs were the ones that show more Pink Flag influence than British >Invasion or arena-rock). > >Dan > Or 154 -- if the guitar on In Stitches, on the new CD, isn't an hommage to Indirect Enquiries, you couldn't prove it by me. Then again, they didn't *play* that one ... Damn. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 17:04:31 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Wire and GBV (was: Wire's Essential Collection Due In January) Did you ever listen to the song Subspace Biographies on Robert Pollard's solo album "Waved Out"? It sounds like the great undiscovered Wire song. Possibly like a skewered take of "A Question Of Degree". And, somewhere on a Robert Pollard Desert Island Disc list, he mentioned Behind The Curtain as one of his favorites. - -Paul > > >>to see Guided by Voices (great show ... not surprisingly, of course, my >>favorite songs were the ones that show more Pink Flag influence than >British >>Invasion or arena-rock). >> >>Dan >> > >Or 154 -- if the guitar on In Stitches, on the new CD, isn't an hommage to >Indirect Enquiries, you couldn't prove it by me. Then again, they didn't >*play* that one ... Damn. > >Dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 21:52:51 -0500 From: Geoffry Subject: Re: social comment I'm not sure if I agree that 'Manscape' is filled with 'dated' social commentary. In fact, I can only remember one or two songs that could be possibly interpreted as explicitly political -- maybe 'stampede' and, stretching it, 'life in the manscape'. Where are all these 'dated' references? Besides, even if a work does contain social commentary, does it really render the work unendurable? Isn't ABIACUIIS a scathing critique of Thatcherism? "lyric don't really mean anything" C. Newman "everything is political" M. Foucault g. "Cambra, Robert" wrote: > re: Manscape. > > "Don't think Graham's lyrics improve on this album as some have suggested. > I think he tries too hard to provied 'social comment' i.e. directly. See > Wir Vien for this also. I prefer my > lyrics to be as obscure as possible." > I have to agree with John Roberts here. Social comment dates so fast and > more importantly, has nothing to do with music. One of the great things > about Wire I've always thought was that their concerns were usually > enduring. > > Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 10:13:36 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: social comment isn't torch it about burning down the houses of parliament? i always thought "children of groceries" was a comment on england being a nation of shopkeepers ie a dig at thatcherism/materialism. i think like a lot of the 90's wire lyrics there's a general current of dissatisfaction at the politics of the time , though mostly far more oblique than , say , torch it which is about as blunt a comment as you'd get.p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: social comment Author: MIME:geoffry@iname.com at INTERNET Date: 24/11/1999 08:02 I'm not sure if I agree that 'Manscape' is filled with 'dated' social commentary. In fact, I can only remember one or two songs that could be possibly interpreted as explicitly political -- maybe 'stampede' and, stretching it, 'life in the manscape'. Where are all these 'dated' references? Besides, even if a work does contain social commentary, does it really render the work unendurable? Isn't ABIACUIIS a scathing critique of Thatcherism? "lyric don't really mean anything" C. Newman "everything is political" M. Foucault g. "Cambra, Robert" wrote: > re: Manscape. > > "Don't think Graham's lyrics improve on this album as some have suggested. > I think he tries too hard to provied 'social comment' i.e. directly. See > Wir Vien for this also. I prefer my > lyrics to be as obscure as possible." > I have to agree with John Roberts here. Social comment dates so fast and > more importantly, has nothing to do with music. One of the great things > about Wire I've always thought was that their concerns were usually > enduring. > > Robert ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V2 #230 *******************************