From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V2 #209 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, October 29 1999 Volume 02 : Number 209 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: idealcopy-digest V2 #208 ["charles / wmo" ] chicago/bowie [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re: New to the List ["A. Izenstark" ] A Chicago Drill ["MackDaddyD" ] Just what's she talkin' bout' Willis? [Robert Brammer ] Re: A Chicago Drill ["MackDaddyD" ] A Boston Drill (was Re: A Chicago Drill) [Joe Turner ] Re: A Chicago Drill [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Just what's she talkin' bout' Willis? [Wireviews Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V2 #208 > >yes michael , you probably are the only person who loves mzui australia i'm afraid but so what. i am still trying to track down the original MZUI and failing so its a shame this seems to have fallen off the end of wmo's "to do" list. unlike some rarities i suspect it'll turn up occasionally , i do remember seeing it around a few years back.p The problem with MZUI is that there is a substantial advance required from Cherry Red which may prohibit WMO from releasing it. I must admit however, that it isn't _that_ much more rewarding than MZUI Australia... charles wmo@interserv.com http://wiremailorder.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:25:45 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: chicago/bowie hi ray , did you see the chicago drill live? me i love the studio finest drops but maybe the first one you hear sticks the longest. and don't start me off on bowie , his d+b antics were laughable even by the standards of his 80's/90's work. (totally off-topic funny story. i was listening to radio one about a year ago and they were interviewing the singer from fab 80's band then jericho (oh what heroes of mine they were). he was talking about the new "super-group" he'd formed together with fish from marillion and tony hadley of spandau ballet. do prospects come any better than this? sadly i have yet to hear any work from this awe-inspiring array of talent. the dj then asked him to choose a record , he chose what he said was far and away the most innovative and original record released in the 90's. from all the possibilities he went for "little wonder" by bowie , a record i'd certainly agree was in a class of its own. but maybe not in the same way as mr jericho......)p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 10:07:11 EDT From: "A. Izenstark" Subject: Re: New to the List >My first experience with Wire was hearing 'Eardrum Buzz' on a local Chicago >radio station, WXRT to be specific, in the late 80's. I >picked up 'IBTABA', gave it a listen and liked about half the album and >then pretty much put it aside. Another WXRT Wire convert! They played 'Eardrum Buzz' during their normal programming, but they relegated great stuff like 'Drill' to their late-night show, 'The Big Beat.' I guess the melodic aspects of the former allowed it to cross over. At the time, they didn't have a playlist, unlike most commercial stations. There were some rules, however, such as "Don't play an older song more than once every three days," or something to that effect, and they avoided overplaying newer stuff. And each DJ had his or her own personal style, much like college radio. Are they still like that..? Nostalgic and out of the reach of WXRT, Amanda ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 10:03:18 -0500 From: "MackDaddyD" Subject: A Chicago Drill > At the time, they didn't have a playlist, unlike most commercial stations. > There were some rules, however, such as "Don't play an > older song more than once every three days," or something to that effect, > and they avoided overplaying newer stuff. And each DJ had > his or her own personal style, much like college radio. > > Are they still like that..? not really - tho lyn brenmmer in the am gets more leeway i think i got bored with all non-college radio a few years back WZRD and WNUR seem to be better bets for the unexpected btw - incase y'all haven't guessed, i am located in CHI as well (portage park area on the NW side) i was present at the chicago drill (and the rest) - and a wonderful night it was. metro is one of the best clubs for a show (for the band as well as the audience) the stage sound is excellent - and the room is great as well (except the sound under the balcony) i ran into bruce sipping a pint in the smart bar (metro's basement) and since noone else was bothering him, i struck up a brief conversation. when i mentioned what a good response the sold-out) house gave, he said it was much better than the night before when they had played for (i forget) either 4 or 40 people somewhere in idaho or iowa. the other notable comment was how their use of a casio sk1 leant an element of spontaneity to the proceedings. perhaps we could arrange a chicago meeting when wire comes over next year d __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 12:01:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Brammer Subject: Just what's she talkin' bout' Willis? This is from the CD-Now biography of Wire. Did Newman and Frischmann really collaborate on a one-off project? Keep Dissin' the Pac-man, Q-Bert. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:38:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Turner Subject: Re: A Chicago Drill On Thu, 28 Oct 1999, MackDaddyD wrote: > the other notable comment was > how their use of a casio sk1 leant an element of spontaneity to the > proceedings. Indeed, I saw them for the "Bell is a Cup" tour in Boston and was utterly flabbergasted to see the SK-1 sitting on top of Graham's keyboard setup. I laughed out loud when I heard the Casio's trademark "tink!" sound that indicated it had just finished sampling something. When I realized he was sampling the *room noise*, I just about utterly lost it... and even more so when I realized the "dog barking" sound that shows up on "A Bell" (or is it IBTABA?) was from the same unit. For those non-music-geeks: the Casio SK-1 is an early-80's low-end home electronic mini-keyboard that originally cost about $50; it had several crappy sounding instruments (piano, trumpet, organ, the aforementioned dog) and several crappy sounding rhythms (rock, samba, waltz, march, rhumba), but most notably, it could sample! You could grab four short samples or two longer samples, and then play them up and down the keyboard. It was meant to be a cheap-o toy; many people quickly realized that it easily did what more expensive sampling keyboards did, but for 1/50th of the price. The fidelity wasn't so hot, but if you ran it through a few effects, the end result was often quite interesting. I'm proud to say I still have mine. I never would have thought of using it to sample my own audience, though, which is what makes those Wire fellows so spiffy! /j ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:10:18 -0500 From: "MackDaddyD" Subject: Re: A Chicago Drill > > I laughed out loud when I heard the Casio's trademark "tink exactly > sampling the *room noise*, in chicago bruce ran his guitar direct in > so when I realized the "dog barking" sound that shows up on german shepards ? > > For those non-music-geeks: the Casio SK-1 is an early-80's low-end home > electronic mini-keyboard that originally cost about $50; good deal - mine cost $100 > The fidelity wasn't so hot, but if you ran it > through a few effects, the end result was often quite interesting. exactly again also great for that home - 'jack your body' chicago house effect ;) > I'm proud to say I still have mine unfortunately mine took a drink of beer at a show and was never quite the same the largest challenge was that all the samples were volatile (gone when the machine lost power) and you could never get the same sound/loop twice these puppies are going for around US$40 in eBay for the next generation of ex-loin tamers __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 22:30:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Turner Subject: A Boston Drill (was Re: A Chicago Drill) On Thu, 28 Oct 1999, MackDaddyD wrote: > > sampling the *room noise*, > in chicago bruce ran his guitar direct in Really? Interesting. And not surprising that they might change from show to show. "Tonight let's put it in-line with Colin's vocal mic." My lasting memory of that show --- aside from a proto-version of "Eardrum Buzz" that had a very major-chord chorus instead of the minor-chord recorded one (or at least it seemed that way at the time) --- is from the end of the show, at the end of "Drill" where Colin/Graham/Bruce left the stage one by one, each of their instruments feeding back (not unlike the middle section of a Spectrum or E.A.R. show!); the poor Paradise Theatre stage techs were left scratching their heads, clearly thinking "is that the end? the audience is still standing there watching and listening... is this still the art? should we turn anything off?" Eventually, one poor soul ventured out onto the stage to turn Graham's bass amp off, and the audience was audibly annoyed! /j ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 22:42:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: A Chicago Drill On Thu, 28 Oct 1999, Joe Turner wrote: > Indeed, I saw them for the "Bell is a Cup" tour in Boston and was utterly > flabbergasted to see the SK-1 sitting on top of Graham's keyboard setup. > I laughed out loud when I heard the Casio's trademark "tink!" sound that > indicated it had just finished sampling something. When I realized he was > sampling the *room noise*, I just about utterly lost it... and even more > so when I realized the "dog barking" sound that shows up on "A Bell" (or > is it IBTABA?) was from the same unit. I know they used the "voice" preset on the CD3 version of "German Shepherds" (I think it's on that song). I actually kind of like the "trumpet" and "flute" presets on the SK-1 - cheesy but I think manipulable into interesting shapes. Oh - and although they sound nothing like Wir(e), I recommend Joe's band Abunai! - rolling, modal psych w/very cool basslines. And you thought he was the old blues singer... - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/reviews.html ::Any noise that is unrelenting eventually becomes music:: __Paula Carino__ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 01:28:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Wireviews Subject: Re: Just what's she talkin' bout' Willis? - --- Robert Brammer wrote: > This is from the CD-Now biography of Wire. Did > Newman and Frischmann really > collaborate on a one-off project? Ah, the wonderful CD-Now site, that refers to Robert Gotobed as Mark Field for no reason whatsoever. Most of their bios have some interesting bits of oddness within and as far as I know Colin hasn't done any collaborations with Justine. However, I remember Bruce appearing in a small festival that JF was also in a few years back, so that's probably where the story comes from. Mind you, CDN aren't the only people to mix up Colin and Bruce - a recent UK magazine article has a nice quote from Colin about Factory Records with an equally nice picture of Bruce next to it ... Craig/WV ===== >>> Craig Grannell / Wireviews >>> Visit Wireviews at: http://welcome.to/wireviews http://www.snub.dircon.co.uk/wirehome.html >>> wireviews@yahoo.com >>> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V2 #209 *******************************