From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V2 #207 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, October 27 1999 Volume 02 : Number 207 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: idealcopy-digest V2 #206 [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re[2]: idealcopy-digest V2 #206 [jerry.butson@emimusic.com (jerry butson)] Roxy Music, '79; MUZI [flaherty michael w ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 11:05:12 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V2 #206 idealcopy-digest Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 11:14:01 -0500 From: "MackDaddyD" Subject: Re: manifesto just to be contentious - how is this different than the punk oldschool wire jumping on the d&b bandwagon? >>>> bit harsh. i think what annoyed people about acts like the stones and roxy going "disco" was it was seen as cashing in. difficult to level that accusation at something like "bastard" which is so far from the mainstream (i'll take a guess that's the album you're thinking of?). you can't really complain at people taking new sounds on board if they do something interesting with them , i think 90's wire/solo stuff has used those influences to produce some great stuff. whereas to a lot of people (like me i'm afraid) roxy were a great band who lost it and their reunion was like a watered-down version of past glories. i suppose those super-smooth singles like avalon were quite good but hardly stuff to play to death. manifesto doesn't impress me at all , going through the motions really. stuff like "dance away" is horrible. yes , japan had their moments (eventually). best comment i ever read about them was that they got stylish at the point they got rich enough to afford a stylist. ouch.p > yes , few things were sadder than some of the old school jumping the disco bandwagon around that time. you'd have thought roxy might have come up with something better.p btw - i am going to pop on manifesto when i get home to compare notes my impression at that time was that manifesto and even more so, flesh and blood were dissappointments i thought that japan did roxy better than roxy avalon, however imho was the mature masterpiece to close to that band out ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 15:22:40 +0100 From: jerry.butson@emimusic.com (jerry butson) Subject: Re[2]: idealcopy-digest V2 #206 - --IMA.Boundary.9070590490 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Ooh, I didn't think that, here in the 1990s, we still worried about = our = beloved bands adopting different syles. Surely it's all a valid form= of = alternative expression. Roxy didn't have to reform. The Stones didn'= t have = to change their formula, they were already doing fine, just trying = something different. = Look at some of the 'disco' tracks Roxy and the Stones did..."Angel = Eyes", = "Both Ends Burning", "Trash", "Miss You", "Start Me Up", "Undercover= of the = Night". I consider these to be among the best those two bands did...= Roxy's = pristine metronomic rhythms, the Stones' shuffling groove...yous guy= s just = ain't funky! = Even Wire, on "The Queen of Ur...", "Stampede", "In Vivo", hit a kin= d of = loping groove. = j ______________________________ Reply Separator __________________________= _______ Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V2 #206 Author: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com at X-MAIL Date: 26/10/99 11:05 idealcopy-digest = = Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 11:14:01 -0500 From: "MackDaddyD" = Subject: Re: manifesto = just to be contentious - how is this different than the punk oldschool wire jumping on the d&b ban= dwagon? = >>>> bit harsh. i think what annoyed people about acts like the stones an= d roxy = going "disco" was it was seen as cashing in. difficult to level that accu= sation = at something like "bastard" which is so far from the mainstream (i'll tak= e a = guess that's the album you're thinking of?). you can't really complain at= people taking new sounds on board if they do something interesting with them , i= think = 90's wire/solo stuff has used those influences to produce some great stuf= f. = = whereas to a lot of people (like me i'm afraid) roxy were a great band wh= o lost = it and their reunion was like a watered-down version of past glories. i s= uppose = those super-smooth singles like avalon were quite good but hardly stuff t= o play = to death. manifesto doesn't impress me at all , going through the motions= = really. stuff like "dance away" is horrible. = = yes , japan had their moments (eventually). best comment i ever read abou= t them = was that they got stylish at the point they got rich enough to afford a s= tylist. ouch.p > yes , few things were sadder than some of the old school jumping the di= sco = bandwagon around that time. you'd have thought roxy might have come up wi= th = something better.p = btw - i am going to pop on manifesto when i get home to compare notes my impression at that time was that manifesto and even more so, flesh and= blood = were dissappointments = i thought that japan did roxy better than roxy = avalon, however imho was the mature masterpiece to close to that band out= = = = = = - --IMA.Boundary.9070590490 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net ([24.128.1.70]) by vmailntwks10.trinite.co.uk with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 3.13) id 002411F1; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 10:11:29 +0100 Received: from smoe.org (jane.smoe.org [24.30.216.55]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA06762; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 05:06:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id FAA22253; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 05:05:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 26 Oct 1999 05:05:26 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id FAA22245 for idealcopy-outgoing; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 05:05:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.udac.net (smtp.udac.net [193.44.79.123]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-jane) with ESMTP id FAA22241 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 05:05:03 -0400 (EDT) From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Received: from lpd2.udac.se (mail2.udac.net [192.36.179.11]) by smtp.udac.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA08671 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 11:02:06 +0200 Received: from uucp1.udac.net (uucp3.udac.net [192.36.179.12]) by mail2.udac.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA29784 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 11:14:09 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by uucp1.udac.net (8.8.6/8.8.0) with UUCP id LAA17066 for idealcopy@smoe.org; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 11:01:42 +0200 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 11:05:12 +0100 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V2 #206 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: TFS Secure Messaging /222000000/222020954/222002769/222100545/ X-Mailer: Version 4 Build 211 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by smoe.org id FAA22242 Sender: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by chmls05.mediaone.net id FAA06762 - --IMA.Boundary.9070590490-- . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 20:35:38 -0500 (CDT) From: flaherty michael w Subject: Roxy Music, '79; MUZI I saw this tour when it hit the US; Wire, alas, was long gone. That being said, it was one of the best concerts I've ever seen. Maybe I should change that to one of the shows I've "enjoyed" the most--I have no idea if I'd like it now; I certainly don't care much for the albums from that period. I suppose just seeing them, at the time, was pretty exciting in itself. While I'm here, thanks to Kevin for the info on the unreleased material. I still think the discussion was worth having, by the way, even though it appears to have been largely academic. Am I the only one that thinks Austrailian MUZI is close to be being brilliant? Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V2 #207 *******************************