From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V2 #206 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, October 26 1999 Volume 02 : Number 206 Today's Subjects: ----------------- on returning [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] manifesto ["Jack Steinmann" ] Re: manifesto [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re: manifesto ["MackDaddyD" ] re: Re: manifesto ["Jack Steinmann" ] rfh [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 15:22:16 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: on returning well i launched a raids on my brothers record collection and one of the things i grabbed was roxy's "manifesto". looking at the date (79) i guess this is what they must have been promoting when wire supported them , which got me thinking. firstly , it sure as hell isn't much of an album , lots of horrible synths and drum sounds. i remember liking "trash" at the time , hearing it for the first time in 20 years i must have been mad. also good to see gary tibbs on bass , moving from this to "prince charming" was one hell of a career move. anyway , i 've read a lot of oblique comments on how wire were unumpressed with that tour but never really telling the full story. anyone know some more details , i'm curious? they must have been great gigs anyway , with that contrast between the 2 bands. i've got the 2 7" bootleg ep's which (i think) come from those dates ; presumably good tapes exist of it all somewhere? god knows why the bootleggers didn't just release an album rather than those 2 fiddly singles (well , i guess it was to make more money but you know what i mean). nice obituary on claude bessy in the guardian on saturday , namecheck for "wire's graham lewis" (not wir) fab news if the reunion is a little more permanent. got me replacement tickets anyway which is , at least , a start.p ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 99 10:02:45 -0500 From: "Jack Steinmann" Subject: manifesto Reply to: manifesto Although I'll confess I haven't listened to "Manifesto" in many, many years, I was very impressed with the non-disco side, the one that closed with "Stronger Through the Years" (or something like that). The other side I couldn't stand. Jack On 10/25/99, paul.rabjohn wrote: well i launched a raids on my brothers record collection and one of the things i grabbed was roxy's "manifesto". looking at the date (79) i guess this is what they must have been promoting when wire supported them , which got me thinking. firstly , it sure as hell isn't much of an album , lots of horrible synths and drum sounds. i remember liking "trash" at the time , hearing it for the first time in 20 years i must have been mad. also good to see gary tibbs on bass , moving from this to "prince charming" was one hell of a career move. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 17:24:26 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re: manifesto yes , few things were sadder than some of the old school jumping the disco bandwagon around that time. you'd have thought roxy might have come up with something better.p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: manifesto Author: MIME:jsteinmann@clynch.com at INTERNET Date: 25/10/1999 17:11 Reply to: manifesto Although I'll confess I haven't listened to "Manifesto" in many, many years, I was very impressed with the non-disco side, the one that closed with "Stronger Through the Years" (or something like that). The other side I couldn't stand. Jack On 10/25/99, paul.rabjohn wrote: well i launched a raids on my brothers record collection and one of the things i grabbed was roxy's "manifesto". looking at the date (79) i guess this is what they must have been promoting when wire supported them , which got me thinking. firstly , it sure as hell isn't much of an album , lots of horrible synths and drum sounds. i remember liking "trash" at the time , hearing it for the first time in 20 years i must have been mad. also good to see gary tibbs on bass , moving from this to "prince charming" was one hell of a career move. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 11:14:01 -0500 From: "MackDaddyD" Subject: Re: manifesto just to be contentious - how is this different than the punk oldschool wire jumping on the d&b bandwagon? > yes , few things were sadder than some of the old school jumping the disco bandwagon around that time. you'd have thought roxy might have come up with something better.p btw - i am going to pop on manifesto when i get home to compare notes my impression at that time was that manifesto and even more so, flesh and blood were dissappointments i thought that japan did roxy better than roxy avalon, however imho was the mature masterpiece to close to that band out __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 99 11:36:24 -0500 From: "Jack Steinmann" Subject: re: Re: manifesto Reply to: re: Re: manifesto Flesh + Blood was like a dress rehearsal for Avalon: much softer than (the good bits from) Manifesto, but also more even. Jack On 10/25/99, MackDaddyD wrote: i am going to pop on manifesto when i get home to compare notes my impression at that time was that manifesto and even more so, flesh and blood were dissappointments avalon, however imho was the mature masterpiece to close to that band out ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 10:21:28 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: rfh got a catalogue from the rfh today (i suspect buying a ticket puts you on their list) , which includes an ad for the feb 26 gig. the image to promote it is a pair of pictures , one being an updated pink flag cover and the other a burning cigarette lighter. a poster / flyer of this would be nice. maybe someone local could pop in and pinch a wad , i'm sure they wouldn't be missed. p ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V2 #206 *******************************