From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V2 #180 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, September 23 1999 Volume 02 : Number 180 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Shaggs WOT (way-off-topic) [Charles G Waldman ] shagg-mania! [KB305@aol.com] Re: shagg-mania! [osanders ] Re: shagg-mania! ["Mack" ] Re: linking my fave raves (again) ["Mack" ] Re: shagg-mania! [osanders ] Re: shagg-mania! [Miles Goosens ] TFIC ["Mack" ] Monks-mania! ["JH3" ] Re: Monks-mania! ["M. Major, international megastar" ] Re: shagg-mania! [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re[2]: shagg-mania! [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re: Monks-mania! [Wireviews ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:14:43 +0200 (MET DST) From: Charles G Waldman Subject: Shaggs WOT (way-off-topic) As long as we're already WOT, I can't resist forwarding this item that just showed up in my inbox this morning. Talk about synchronicity! And I promise this will be my last posting on this topic... From: Incorrect Music Show To: sparky@foot-foot.com Subject: The Shaggs in New Yorker (9/27/99) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 19:43:34 -0400 "[The Shaggs'] first public performance was at a talent show in nearby Exeter [NH], in 1968. The girls could barely play their instruments. They didn't think they were ready to appear in public, but [their father] Austin thought otherwise. When they opened, with a cover of a loping country song called 'Wheels,' people in the audience threw soda cans at them and jeered. The girls were mortified; Austin told them they just had to go home and practice more." In this week's NEW YORKER (Sept. 27, 1999), Susan Orlean visits Fremont NH and pens a lengthy feature on the godmothers of Outsider Music, the legendary Shaggs. [Cover outer flap: "The Worst Girl Group Ever: Susan Orlean on why people love the Shaggs] _____________________________ Incorrect Music Playlists on-line: http://www.wfmu.org/Playlists/IM/ And now back to Wire.... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 08:28:52 EDT From: KB305@aol.com Subject: shagg-mania! In a message dated 09/22/1999 3:32:33 AM Central Daylight Time, owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org writes: << as to CDNOW's quality of ingormation, their Album Advisor tells me that I will also like recordings by Whitesnake, Future Loop Foundation, jason and the Scortchers and Eat Static >> Well, it's as valid as anything I've ever heard. Do you? Also, I think the Shaggs' 'My Pal Foot-Foot' is the original inspiration for 'Footsi-Footsi'. I know that I like both of them, so maybe CDNow is missing a vital garnish in their customer-reference-salad. Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 08:15:44 -0700 From: osanders Subject: Re: shagg-mania! I have not hard the "Shags" (will do after reading the mails) , but I can honestly say the referring people to "whitesnake" is horrible , "eat static" future loop foundation" are bands I can get behind , but whitesnake ?! KB305@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 09/22/1999 3:32:33 AM Central Daylight Time, > owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org writes: > > << as to CDNOW's quality of ingormation, their Album Advisor tells me that I > will also like recordings by Whitesnake, Future Loop Foundation, jason and > the Scortchers and Eat Static >> > > Well, it's as valid as anything I've ever heard. Do you? > Also, I think the Shaggs' 'My Pal Foot-Foot' is the original inspiration for > 'Footsi-Footsi'. I know that I like both of them, so maybe CDNow is missing > a vital garnish in their customer-reference-salad. > > Kevin - -- **************************** Obie Sanders/ System Administrator ADN - --------------------------- osanders@adnc.com/ext.273 **************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:19:24 -0500 From: "Mack" Subject: Re: shagg-mania! ahhhh! all that noisy rock music sounds the same! > I have not hard the > "Shaggs" (will do after reading the mails) , but I can > honestly say the referring people to "whitesnake" is horrible , "eat > static" > future loop foundation" are bands I can get behind , but whitesnake ?! what about jason and the scortchers ? let us not forget them! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:31:14 -0500 From: "Mack" Subject: Re: linking my fave raves (again) i was just struck by a brilliant idea 'philosophy of the world' REMIXED by BG, Stereolab, Ken Ishi, Shonen Knife, Etc :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 08:51:24 -0700 From: osanders Subject: Re: shagg-mania! I like jason and the scorchers , from what i've heard. I think some "noisy rock bands" are ok, i.e.. early metalica but it's all no match for "Wire" or "the buzzcocks" or "Joy division" my small .02$ Anyone ever hear of a band called "the Monks" Mack wrote: > > ahhhh! > all that noisy rock music sounds the same! > > > I have not hard the > > "Shaggs" (will do after reading the mails) , but I can > > honestly say the referring people to "whitesnake" is horrible , "eat > > static" > > future loop foundation" are bands I can get behind , but whitesnake ?! > > what about jason and the scortchers ? > let us not forget them! - -- **************************** Obie Sanders/ System Administrator ADN - --------------------------- osanders@adnc.com/ext.273 **************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:53:04 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: shagg-mania! At 08:51 AM 09/22/1999 -0700, osanders wrote: >Mack wrote: >> >> ahhhh! >> all that noisy rock music sounds the same! >> >> > I have not hard the >> > "Shaggs" (will do after reading the mails) , but I can >> > honestly say the referring people to "whitesnake" is horrible , "eat >> > static" >> > future loop foundation" are bands I can get behind , but whitesnake ?! >> >> what about jason and the scortchers ? >> let us not forget them! >I like jason and the scorchers , from what i've heard. I can't tell if Mack was meaning that J&tS are horrible or great, but here's a vote for "great" -- their music is 100-proof honky-tonk (Hank Sr., Webb Pierce, etc.) crossed with the energy and commitment of punk, full of the vitality missing from what passes for country music these days. Plus they're perhaps the best live act I've ever seen, and I've had the good fortune to see them lots since I live in their home base of Nashville. later, Miles ====================================================== Miles Goosens UNlimited edition R. Stevie Moore CDs now available! http://www.rsteviemoore.com My personal website http://www.mindspring.com/~outdoorminer/miles "If a million people say a stupid thing, it is still a stupid thing." -- Anatole France ====================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:09:36 -0500 From: "Mack" Subject: TFIC I guess there needs be an email symbol for tongue-firmly-in-cheek. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 13:29:05 -0500 From: "JH3" Subject: Monks-mania! osanders writes: >Anyone ever hear of a band called "the Monks" I assume you're talking about the 60's-era band made up of ex-American soldiers in (then West) Germany? They had a sort of proto-punk sound going a couple of years before the Pretty Things or the Stooges came along, IIRC. I think I only heard one song of theirs, though... and I forget what it was called now. I suspect their story is more interesting than their material was, but I could always be wrong! John Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:26:07 -0700 (MST) From: "M. Major, international megastar" Subject: Re: Monks-mania! The reissue imps at Infinite Zero [that there Henry Rollins (arch-neck) now bankrupt, spliff-frenzied record label] put out the Monks one and only record [Black Monk Time, 1966] a few years back so you ought to be able to find in in the shops. Try here for clips (I think?): http://www.allmusic.com/cg/x.dll?UID=3:03:13|PM&p=amg&sql=A44978 And The Fall covered a few of their songs on Extricate and Middle Class Revolt. "It's go time, it's Monk time!!!" Yeah, yeah, yeah... MIKE > >Anyone ever hear of a band called "the Monks" > > I assume you're talking about the 60's-era band made up of > ex-American soldiers in (then West) Germany? They had a > sort of proto-punk sound going a couple of years before the > Pretty Things or the Stooges came along, IIRC. I think I only > heard one song of theirs, though... and I forget what it was > called now. I suspect their story is more interesting than their > material was, but I could always be wrong! > That's all you get... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 16:07:44 -0400 From: "Kip Jackson" Subject: Re: Monks-mania! Greetings... If anything, this tangent has brought me out of the Wire list lurker spot I've been occupying for the past year or so. Ahhh, the Monks and Wire, two of my favorite bands. How can I not respond? In a way, bringing up the Monks to the Wire list is relevant since both bands are reforming for one-off (hopefully more) shows in the near future... I won't be going to either, . The Monks are playing together for the first time in 32 years, and it will be their first time performing in the U.S.A. The gig is in New York, and it's part of a festival called "Cavestomp 99". Further information can be found at: http://www.cavestomp.com/mainFrame.html My garage-rock tendencies put me sort of in the early-Wire fan vein. The first three Wire albums always blow me away for their evolution in sound, from tightness to space, from cohesion to disintigration. I also think Colin Newman's vocal performance towards the end of "106 beats that" has got to be one of the fastest unleashing of words ever in rock, and would rival any cow auctioneer. Back to my hiding, Kip. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 16:55:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: shagg-mania! On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 KB305@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 09/22/1999 3:32:33 AM Central Daylight Time, > owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org writes: > > << as to CDNOW's quality of ingormation, their Album Advisor tells me that I > will also like recordings by Whitesnake, Future Loop Foundation, jason and > the Scortchers and Eat Static >> > > Well, it's as valid as anything I've ever heard. Do you? > Also, I think the Shaggs' 'My Pal Foot-Foot' is the original inspiration for > 'Footsi-Footsi'. I know that I like both of them, so maybe CDNow is missing > a vital garnish in their customer-reference-salad. The usual way these "recommended if you like" programs run is they look at every customer who's bought a particular recording (say, the Shaggs record) and look at what else those customers have bought. Sicne anyone buying the Shaggs record is by definition a complete weirdo...of course the references are going to be all over the map. Really now, do you need an online CD service to tell you what to like? - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/reviews.html ::Any noise that is unrelenting eventually becomes music:: __Paula Carino__ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:19:47 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: shagg-mania! On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 KB305@aol.com wrote: The usual way these "recommended if you like" programs run is they look at every customer who's bought a particular recording (say, the Shaggs record) and look at what else those customers have bought. Sicne anyone buying the Shaggs record is by definition a complete weirdo...of course the references are going to be all over the map. Really now, do you need an online CD service to tell you what to like? - --Jeff >>>>> almost makes me tempted to buy a big pile of deicide/cradle of filth/napalm death cd's together with a load of cliff richard/boyzone/steps offerings to screw up the program for both sets of "fans". this plan does have an obvious financial drawback , however.p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 01:20:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Wireviews Subject: Re: Monks-mania! > >Anyone ever hear of a band called "the Monks" I have their sole album (on CD now though). It's okay. Many people have probably heard some of their stuff covered - the Fall have done at least three of their tracks on various albums during the 90s. C ===== >>> Craig Grannell / Wireviews >>> Visit Wireviews at: http://welcome.to/wireviews http://www.snub.dircon.co.uk/wirehome.html >>> wireviews@yahoo.com >>> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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