From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V2 #178 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, September 21 1999 Volume 02 : Number 178 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Shaggs [Charles G Waldman ] Re: Shaggs [KB305@aol.com] Re: Shaggs ["nicholas marcilio" ] gig [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 12:03:23 +0200 (MET DST) From: Charles G Waldman Subject: Shaggs > > Date: 19 Sep 1999 16:04:58 +0000 > From: "nicholas marcilio" > Subject: Re: linking my fave raves (again) > > On Sat, Sep 18, 1999 15:21, Trevor Dutton > wrote: > The Shaggs (?) > > new york girl (15/16ish) band of the late 60s. Sort of like the Trashmen, > or Count Five, but more minimal noise. > No no no, they were not from New York, they were from a very small town in rural New Hampshire (Fremont?); they were sisters, their charm was their utter naivete; they really couldn't play or sing very well but seemed to be completely unaware of this fact. To compare them to the Trashmen is to miss the point, I think... they didn't set out to make noise at all, they thought they were playing music, they were doing the best they could. They were really something unique, they dedicated the album to their parents, they sang about their parents and their family ("Who are parents? Parents are the ones who always care"), and their runaway kitten ("Where is Foot-Foot? I've looked everywhere") - kind of like gently rocking nursery-rhymes, but just very bizarre, kind of unintentionally psychedelic; these girls were totally disconnected from the mainstream and developed their own weird guitar chords, harmonies and time-signatures (whether this was intentional or not I do not know, but often the drummer seems to be doing something totally disconnected from the rest of the band). > I think there is one CD re-issue on Arf Arf. I'll bet they're listed in the WFMU catalogue (go to wfmu.org), this excellent radio station is where I first was exposed to their music. Ooops, upon going there to check I see that they have (temporarily) taken their "Catalog of Curiosities" off-line, but it may be returning sometime. Here's a website devoted to the Shaggs where you can hear some RealAudio excerpts - http://www.cgocable.net/~focus23/shaggs/ I know this has nothing whatsoever to do with Wire but I couldn't resist posting my comments on this topic. In fact, I can't imagine two bands with less in common than Wire (cereberal and very deliberate/composed) and the Shaggs (heartfelt, inept and intuitive). ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 09:42:41 EDT From: KB305@aol.com Subject: Re: Shaggs << The Shaggs (?) new york girl (15/16ish) band of the late 60s. Sort of like the Trashmen, or Count Five, but more minimal noise. >> Actually, less like those... The Shaggs were three sisters from New Hampshire, circa 1969, who had no conventional talent whatsoever, and had not played their instruments for long. Their father was proud of them nevertheless, and paid an 'agent' to get them recorded. The agent took the money and ran, and the recording seemed utterly doomed. The few copies of 'Philosophy of the World' that did survive wound up in the hands of a Boston DJ, who played it, eventually, for Frank Zappa (who called it 'Better than the Beatles, even today'); a copy wound up in the hands of the members of NRBQ. They got it reissued on Rounder here in the US. It's guaranteed to clear the room (if you have 'normal' people you'd like to get rid of, or work in retail and wish to close). It's utterly original. As Carla Bley says: 'They bring my mind to a complete halt'. Recommended. Kevin ------------------------------ Date: 20 Sep 1999 11:33:15 +0000 From: "nicholas marcilio" Subject: Re: Shaggs new york girl (15/16ish) band of the late 60s. Sort of like the Trashmen, or Count Five, but more minimal noise. >> On Mon, Sep 20, 1999 13:42, KB305@aol.com wrote: Actually, less like those... what other bands cold you compare them to? The Raincoats?- i never liked The Raincoats that much, seemed too contrived. The Shaggs are definately 60's "garage", for lack of a better term. I use other bands as a point of refrence, "sort of like". ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 10:05:54 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: gig i see an ad for the festival hall gig in this weeks nme , so the publicity barrage is beginning. wonder if there's a load of press lined up to tie in? that'd be interesting.....p ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V2 #178 *******************************